After rereading my response to Beth's (Pilots wife's) new post about putting the romance back in your marriage and also my response to her post on my OP's gifts thread, I realized that my complaints about my lousy love life with my W are starting to sound like whining. Hell, they don't SOUND like whining, they ARE whining! So I'm going to have one more good whine about this and that's it. You won't be hearing from me any more about my lousy sex life. OK, here it is, the final whine -<P>My W and I did use to have a terrific love life. There was a time not so very long ago when we literally couldn't keep our hands off of each other. We would smooch and nuzzle in public, the whole obnoxious PDOA bit, and whenever we had the chance, we'd go for it. (We were quite the attraction one time outdoors as a tour helicopter passed overhead!) And I was as romantic as could be, emailing her love poems, buying her flowers and other intimate surprises, etc., etc. Then, about a year-and-a-half ago, all this started going down the tubes. Now it seems virtually gone. The attraction is still there for me, strong as ever, but it's obviously not there for her. This is what angers me most about her affair and about the OM, that he's taken this wonderful experience away from me. And I'm very discouraged about it ever coming back, especially as she continues to deny her affair and so, apparently, has no intention of giving it up.<P>There! I've whined my last whine on the subject.<P>BTW, if you're into movies about infidelity, see "American Beauty." It's a very VERY "adult" movie (R-rated, I think) and has some very disturbing points to make about life in general. But I found the situation of the cheated-on hubby (Kevin Spacey) and the cheating wife (Annette Benning in a brilliant role!) to be very suggestive and that it was useful for me to see this portrayed in a highly realistic manner. Regards and blessings,<P>--Wex

Wexwill -- Feel free to whine buddy, we all have those days when all we do is mourn what we have lost in our marriage.<P>The loss of intimacy is just as valid as any other.<P>Hang in there wex.<P>God Bless<p>[This message has been edited by Empty Shell (edited October 03, 1999).]

Hi, Wex. I've adopted Whine as my middle name. Thinking of having it legally changed. You haven't been whining, just sharing your feelings with people who care about you and can understand. Nothin' wrong with that!!!<P>And don't stop doing it. Or you'll make me feel bad and I won't be able to do it either!!! <P>So, whine on.........<P>Lori

Wex<BR>If we can't whine here where can we whine. I know I have been guilty of whining on too many occasions. <BR>Go ahead and do it when you need to and never be ashamed!!!!<BR>I think you worry too much. You have a right to whine about anything you want!!!!

Its ok to whine, we all do it. Heck, I've<BR> even got some cheese to go with it.

You bet!!! Whine Whine Whine!!! That's what we are here for.<P>God Bless you Wex.<BR>M4B

M4B, CutiePie, WS, lostva, Empty - Thank you, thank you all for coming out in support of my whining! (CutiePie - yeah, let's have a "whine and cheese" party.) And for the right of all of us on this forum to whine. I was VERY whiney as a kid and guess I've carried that into adulthood. So rest assured I WILL continue to whine then, just about different topics! Regards and blessings,<P>--Wex

Wex you knothead, you didn't give me a chance to chime in before you thanked everyone and now my name is not with everyone else's Whine away brother.

And thanks to you too Paul! Should have known you'd show up!<P>--Wex