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You have RAGED against kiwiJ and Suzet because of their breaking of NC yet your pathetic pride means your own W breaks contact with OM and will certainly do so again ?
You have berated ME for my 'false pride' yet your OWN foolish pride means your family welcomes OM as a lost son , laughing at you in your face and you take it ?
Stanley I won't take any advice from you again.
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Stanley, As I see it, this thread is done, and so is your M. I believe your are consciously making choices that will eventually destroy your M. YOU are the one fence-sitting in this sitch. No exposure + contact with OM = DIVORCE <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> I feel sorry for ya fella. It was nice getting to know you. Take care. KJ
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OM is utilizing your fear and Myrta's fear against you both. I understand the fear. I really do. To expose, you feel may immasculate you in the eyes of others. However, I propose that YOUR feelings about your own masculinity are paramount. You as a man necessarily define your own masculinity.
Do not threaten Myrta with exposure, just do it. Her conversation crossed the line and despite the consequences to HER and YOU, this OM situation needs to be eradicated once and for all.
All it took KiwiJ was a meeting in the grocery store and BOOM...coffee, drinks and conversation ensued. She "felt" she could handle it but soon found herself being the rat in the cage pushing OM's buttons to get the desired response. He pushed Myrta's buttons and that had to feel good to her. She actually gave him a little back AND left you 2500 miles away to wonder and speculate what was actually said and question her resolve.
You love your wife. Period. Protect her and darn the consequences and humiliation you and she may feel.
Do you also worry that exposing NOW may drive them together??? You shouldn't...turn the lights on and coachroachs scatter.
Mr. Wondering
p.s.-If Myrta can't be on the phone with you 24/7 making you feel safe...she should be here addressing her feelings and discussing it with us, her accountibility partners. She should be occupying her time and thoughts with us here instead of allowing her mind to wander off into the FOG. Idle time with OM on the prowl, I propose, would be dangerous for her right now despite how much SHE THINKS she can handle it. Dr. Harley says she CAN'T without taking a risk...Mrs. W and I will always defer to the expert. Why risk it?
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As I said, it is out of my hands. My wife knows the consequences.
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Mrs. W, I don’t want the affair to be known to anyone. So, in this issue I have been in total agreement with my wife. I have some pride and it would be difficult for me to face her family (or my family) as a betrayed man. Stanley, I think that you have yet to let go of the FACT that your wife's affair had absolutely NOTHING to do with you or any of your shortcomings...Your wife's affair had to do with HER shortcomings...HER ISSUES...Stanley, it is not the betrayal that makes you appear weak here, it is your refusal to stand up to this WRONG and protect what is rightfully yours...YOUR WIFE...YOUR MARRIAGE...Where is your pride in this? I am also highly protective of the kids even though they tea mostly adults. If this is true then it should be of the utmost importance for you to protect their mother from herself and her own weakness...Stanley, if the police called you and told you that your crack addicted wife was lying on the floor of a CRACK HOUSE, would you go get her? That is exactly where she is right now Stanley...Why are you refusing to rescue YOUR WIFE? YOUR CHILDREN'S MOTHER? Further, Dr. Harley has said that being told of his father's infidelity was perhaps one of the greatest lessons that he learned in life...It was one of the reasons that he was able to protect himself and his wife and marriage in his adult life...Why wouldn't you want to use what has happened in your life to perhaps prevent your children from having to learn the hard way...and you and I both know how VERY HARD that the hard way is...Why wouldn't you use whatever tools that you had to help your children? Again, as unpleasant as they are, everything that you are talking about here are consequences to your wife's affair...You are now acting as her enabler and putting her, yourself and your marriage up as collateral...Enabling ALWAYS harms...and what a bargain too, because it HARMS many all at once...The price is simply too high... I was disappointed that she took the phone from her mom. I suspect that deep inside she wanted to hear OM say once again how much he loves her (and he did many times in the conversation). My wife claims she felt nothing for OM. Your suspicions are correct, IMO...Stanley, the addict got her fix...It will be apparent in her behavior when she returns...I can almost guarantee it... Mrs. W I can only say so much to my wife. She will react in her own way and she appears to fly by her own radar. I don't understand this Stanley...Why can't you set boundaries with your wife? What do you mean you can only say so much to her? Why are you allowing her to bully you in to this? Because Stanley, make no mistake about it, that is EXACTLY what is going on here...Do you realize that for women, love is very much tied to the amount of respect that they have for you? You aren't commanding respect with your "I'll just shut up and take it" attitude...And Stanley, THIS is very much YOUR issue... I was also disappointed with several aspects of the conversation that my wife failed to see. For example OM asked her:
OM: Are you happy? Did you find happiness?
My wife replied: I am working on my marriage to get there.
OM: Is your H monitoring you?
Wife: Yes
OM: How does it feel to be watched all the time?
Wife: Is a consequence of the affair. I have to live with it.
OM: I want to see you in person, lets have lunch.
Wife: That is not a good idea.
I have read about scorned lovers and stalkers and what they hear.
“I am working on my marriage to get there.” = I am not happy
“Is a consequence of the affair. I have to live with it.” = The only reason I am not with you is because H watches me like a hawk.
“That is not a good idea.” = hope for OM
This is how scorned lovers interpret the language. My wife should not have come to the phone or at least say a resounding NO with no added excuses. Stanley, YOU WIFE VERY MUCH UNDERSTANDS EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON HERE...Like the rat in the cage, she manipulated OM to say exactly what she wanted to hear...OH YES, I PROMISE YOU, SHE KNOWS...VERY WELL!!! And your interpretation is SPOT ON!!! I discussed these issues with my wife and she states she has to handle OM with white gloves because of the implicit threat to out the affair to her family. Stanley, WHY OH WHY are you being a co-conspirator to infidelity by keeping this "DIRTY LITTLE SECRET" for the infidels??? Now you have entered into this with them!!! WHY??? Myrta KNOWS that you feel ashamed of the betrayal, and she is using it to keep you silent, so she can still get her fix, still have her nice little life as a Dr.'s wife with a perfect image-ALL WHILE YOU SUFFER IN SILENCE...And you know what? It is working for her like a champ!!! STOP THIS INSANITY!!! THIS AFFAIR IS HER SHAME, NOT YOURS!!! Do NOT continue to take this...Stand up for YOU!!! I am certain OM will stalk my wife and try to force a meeting in person. I told my wife to get me on the phone if he tries. And she may just do that...Two men, fighting over her...ROMANTIC, DRAMATIC, FEEDS THE EGO...And her addiction and perfect life continue...LOOK AT THE COST STANLEY!!! Again, I implore you to "MAN UP" and STOP TAKING THIS NONSENSE!!! Stop allowing yourself to be victimized...martyred...MYRTA-ED!!! This is KILLING ME to watch, how 'bout you??? Mrs. W
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I will say I was mostly disappointed with the concept that I was watching my wife all the time. This will certainly resonate with OM and give him needed energy to pursue my wife. She could have said: "there is no need for my H to watch me, I will not fail him ever again". However, she did not say these words. I suspect, deep inside most FWWs are afraid to slam the door shut. Um No, this is NOT true...Email Mr. W at the addy in my signature below...I believe he may have still have the email that I sent OM and the one that he sent OM...I think you will see the door slamming shut in my FOM's face is more than 100% CRYSTAL CLEAR... You have let yourself believe that this is true for ALL FWW's because that is OBVIOUSLY the case with Myrta, but Stanley, it is NOT true...SHE CAN AND SHOULD SLAM THE DOOR ON THIS CRAP, and IF SHE WON'T, then I'd call that a DEALBREAKER, my friend... Mrs. W P.S. I'm serious about emailing Mr. W-You very much need to see that the door can be SLAMMED FIRMLY SHUT on OM!!!
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I believe most FWWs (maybe not you) do not want to hurt the feelings of OM. They want to let them down easy. They actually feel guilt for destroying the BH, but also feel bad for destroying the scorned OM.
I cannot tell why my wife talked to OM. But apparently I was wrong in how the conversation started. Apparently my wife picked the phone up when it rang. Despite the language that my wife used she now tells me she is sure she is slamming the door on OM. However, understand that after nearly two years of NC this OM does not give up.
I DO NOT WANT TO MAKE THE AFFAIR PUBLIC. I cannot put any more emphasis on how I feel about this issue.
I have done a lot of fighting for my wife and will likely do some more, however, I will not tie her down to me. If she feels she wants OM she can always have him-------I will bow out of the race. I do not compete in that kind of race. However, as I have said at nauseum I actually trust my wife even if she needed to medicate her ego. She would have to be completely insane to pull an act like KiwiJ or Suzet. , You guys may say she already did, but I don’t think she has. That does not mean I am disappointed with her choice of words, but as I say she flies with her own radar.
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Stanley... With Mr. W's help, I found those email exchanges between my FOM, Mr. W and I in Feb of this year(Om asking if I had contacted and exposed to his Ex Wife)...I want you to see what it looks like when you are serious about NO CONTACT...In hindsight, I will say that I wish that I had explained even less to FOM, but I do think that it's important that he got the message loud and clear from BOTH of us...We presented a UNITED FRONT to him then, and we will remain a UNITED FRONT because of that...HARD LINE, Stanley, it's the only way... I wanted you to see that "slamming the door" can and should be done...here's an example of what it looks like, IMO... First Email from OM to Mrs. W:
So how did it all go down? Did she contact you or did you contact her? I have no idea what you were thinking by telling her about what went on. I have to wonder did you think you were getting some type of revenge on me for walking away from a terrible situation for both of us.[color:"red"](YES Stanley, FOM, walked away-but I believe that had much to do with exposure to my family)[/color] I mean, come on Mrs. W, that was by far the worst thing I’ve ever done in my life and I have to live with it just like you do. I hate myself for ever succumbing to that behavior.
I truly hope that you and Mr. W were able to put things back together again and that you are both happy. I’m sorry about what happened, but from what I understand he is treating you the way he should have been all along. You know at first, I was so angry at you for talking with (XW). I couldn’t figure out why you would want to keep picking at something in your life that you should just leave alone and put in your past. But now it doesn’t really matter anymore. Everybody knows what we did, so there aren’t any more secrets. I paid my price in losing "D"(girlfriend/perhaps now 2nd wife?), your marriage got better, you got better, and (ex-wife) got what she wanted(me without a girlfriend). And just so you know, I wasn’t dating "D" while all that was going on. We really did just play golf and she was actually with somebody else. She deserved the truth so I told her and she couldn’t accept it. We still talk, but she looks at me in a different light now.
But I am curious … Did she(XW) call you or you her? If she called you that is awful strange and would be the second time she’s try to interfere in my social life. Anyway, take care
OM Mrs. W's response (fully POJA'ed and CC'ed to Mr. W)
She contacted me asking me why (your/her DD5) was saying that "Mrs. W lied", she also told me that you and "D" got married...I don't remember the exact date that (ex-wife) called, and til this day, I still don't know how she got my phone number-at the time that she called I was completely back on board with my marriage, and felt complete indifference towards you...Mr. W was at a Lions football game, and I called him immediately after the fact. I was stunned...I was honest with (x-wife), because I own my past sleazy behavior and all of the consequences that it holds for me. It was not my responsibility to shield you from the consequences of your own poor life choices. That is not to mean that I would go and seek out others to tell, but when asked by the mother of a child that WE subjected to an inappropriate relationship, I told the truth...I don't feel bad about that. I know that (your DD5 and our DD5) NEVER truly witnessed any of the real inappropriateness, but the fact remains that neither of those two girls should EVER have been anywhere near something so immoral. The second time that (ex-wife) called me, to find out if we would be in town to come to (your/her DD5's) birthday party, I told her what I am now going to tell you...Out of respect for my marriage and family, I cannot have and do not want to have contact with you [OM] for the rest of my life.
Yes, Mr. W and I have put "us" back together, we are better than we ever could have imagined...the 3 of us just returned from 7 days in Jamaica last night...We are happy. I ask that you not email, call or otherwise try to contact me. I have given you the information that you wanted, in hopes that you will feel no further need to communicate with me. Your last email was forwarded to Mr. W, and this one is being cc'ed to him. This is the last time that you will receive a response from me...
Mrs. W Shortly thereafter OM emailed Mrs. W again:
I don’t wish any further contact either but I need to know does she have copies of e-mails, or texts etc. to protect myself and my rights with (DD now 6). I need to know how much she knows and what she has on file. If you sent her everything, fine. Then I’ll know what I’m up against. Then I won’t ever contact you again. Sorry I know this is a jolt to your system, it wasn’t great being blindsided by her either, so let’s end this and get you out of this stupid loop so I can turn my attention to what really matters.
OM Mr. W's RESPONSE:
(XW) does not have any documentation from us...only what Mrs. W told her. If she inquired further she would get only the truth, despite the consequences. I wouldn't offer any old documentation as that information has long been dead and buried. I can't see how she can use this against you when she did the same thing with her new man. It is very obvious she, at least, had an "emotional affair" with him previous to her exit from your marriage, which is EQUALLY as immoral, sinful and unjustified as what you did to me. I can only surmise your continued resentment and lack of respect for your ex-wife has primarily put you in your current predicament. It has nothing to do with us and your involvement of us is a further indication of your lack of development, selfishness, and immaturity.
You and XW need to resolve your issues for the sake of your daughter. Having an affair with my wife and exposing your daughter to Mrs. W last spring were VERY bad choices and you may, in fact, suffer consequences as a result, however, coming to peace with your ex-wife, surrendering to her, offering her your complete respect as your ex-wife and mother of your child, without DRAMA, without court interference may behoove you more in the long run than continued "fighting" with her.
Grow up. Take it like a man. You messed up your own bed, now lay in it.
Fortunately for you, I sat back last spring and allowed the chips to fall as they may. There was no sense in confronting you just as there is no sense in pounding the mentally insane. I don't do battle with juvenile imbeciles, because to do so would have only taken me your level (where you evidentally have more experience). You don't deserve my respect and will never get it. Further, do not delude yourself that you did our marriage any favors. We're great now, IN SPITE OF YOU.
Again, our family requests "no contact" with you, ever. However, if somehow that does not register in your feeble mind and you have more questions then direct the same to ONLY me. DO NOT contact my wife again.
Mr. W
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Stanley,
OK...Absent the MB advised exposure...
What's the plan. How does she intend to go the EXTREME measures to insure NO CONTACT and make you feel safe and protected?
OM is going to try again. He is going to stop by the house...what is her/your plan to handle that?
OM is going to call again. What is the Plan? Myrta should NOT pick up the receiver again nor take the receiver from her mother.
OM is going to try and discover where they are and bump into them or get a behind the scenes invitation to show up somewhere where Myrta is....How does Myrta intend to handle such??? I say...get on the cell phone with you and excuse herself completely from the situation...walk away, feign illness, whatever...but get the heck out of there.
Despite Myrta's assertions she and you should be discussing this fully...openly and honestly. Not because you FEAR losing her to OM. The cage door is open...of course. But because you are have a intimate-loving relationship with your wife and these "feeling" and issues should be on the table and fully open to discussion. Myrta should NOT be dissmisive of her obligation as your spouse (wayward or otherwise) to make YOU FEEL protected.
I submit that by YOU failing to Protect her with exposure she may not feel that obligated right now to protect you. Your fear has led you thus far and the trend MAY continue. Oops, I couldn't help the contact without drawing attention to myself is not a valid excuse in my opinion.
Good luck, Stanley. You really shouldn't need it as this situation/test should NOT be occuring but I wish you and Myrta continued success nonetheless.
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Mrs. W we sent NC letter a long time ago and it was dry and devoid of any explanations. My wife even mentioned how much she loved me.
But, there is more, shortly afterwards OM guessed my wife’s password to her email (never use the make of your car as password-it is easy to guess).
In any event my wife and I wrote each other highly romantic and erotic emails during our reconciliation. OM read them all---he knew my wife was happy staying in the marriage. Nevertheless, he continues to push. I suspect that OM will sooner or later blow the whistle, however I have hopes he will go away after my wife declined his invitation on the phone. He had not been able to speak with her for nearly two years.
Mrs. W, my wife’s OM has classic antisocial personality disorder (according to our PhD psych MC). He is not a reasonable person like your OM-------I fear the worse.
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I believe most FWWs (maybe not you) do not want to hurt the feelings of OM. They want to let them down easy. They actually feel guilt for destroying the BH, but also feel bad for destroying the scorned OM.
I cannot tell why my wife talked to OM. But apparently I was wrong in how the conversation started. Apparently my wife picked the phone up when it rang. Despite the language that my wife used she now tells me she is sure she is slamming the door on OM. However, understand that after nearly two years of NC this OM does not give up.
I DO NOT WANT TO MAKE THE AFFAIR PUBLIC. I cannot put any more emphasis on how I feel about this issue.
I have done a lot of fighting for my wife and will likely do some more, however, I will not tie her down to me. If she feels she wants OM she can always have him-------I will bow out of the race. I do not compete in that kind of race. However, as I have said at nauseum I actually trust my wife even if she needed to medicate her ego. She would have to be completely insane to pull an act like KiwiJ or Suzet. , You guys may say she already did, but I don’t think she has. That does not mean I am disappointed with her choice of words, but as I say she flies with her own radar. Ok Stanley, but realize that if YOU change nothing, nothing changes... From the outside it certainly looks as though you are choosing to let someone else (an addict, no less) be in control of YOU out of your own FEAR, SHAME and EMBARRASSMENT...Paralyzing emotions, and ones that have NOTHING to do with anything that you have done... I am saddened to read that you are allowing this to happen to you, your marriage and family...It honestly looks like "battered wives syndrome" and a thwarting of professional advice to boot... I wish you well, but I fear the outcome of such inactivity on your part will not be favorable... Mrs. W
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A while ago I said
I have felt TOO that while I am in this marriage I will always be a BS - a cuckold: a man too weak to keep his woman from use by other men. A second class citizen. Almost your words exctly.
to which you replied :
Bob, as long as you think this way there is no hope for a happy resolution. Squid had no idea she was cuckolding you. She was so drugged by the affair that she probably felt you were OK with her behavior and that you really didn’t care about her. This was not about you Bob. You were not in the picture at all when they were together. If your name came up it was promptly dismissed as talking about spouses is like a cold shower for the affair folks.
But, the important thing is that all the damage done by Squid was ultimately against Squid and not you Bob.
Your integrity as a man remains pristine. Do you realize that even thieves and murderers seek some integrity in the work they do feel better about themselves? Bob, you have it all. One day you will get over this and you will be a proud man once again. You have not harmed yourself nor have you destroyed your own dignity and honor.
Take your own advice Stanley. Unless you really DO think there is shame in being cuckolded.
I don't know anyone amongst the people who know I was betrayed who mock me or think lightly of me for my cuckold status. Most admire me for my love and strength in the face of it.
Squids older sister has declared her PRIDE and admiration of me. And her contribution was crucial to helping Squid maintain NC.
You do realise that NC is mandatory in part because the FWS typically doesn't have too much control over their response to OM. You're leaving crack in the room with an addict. Its not a straightforward choice not to partake.
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Mrs. W we sent NC letter a long time ago and it was dry and devoid of any explanations. My wife even mentioned how much she loved me.
But, there is more, shortly afterwards OM guessed my wife’s password to her email (never use the make of your car as password-it is easy to guess).
In any event my wife and I wrote each other highly romantic and erotic emails during our reconciliation. OM read them all---he knew my wife was happy staying in the marriage. Nevertheless, he continues to push. I suspect that OM will sooner or later blow the whistle, however I have hopes he will go away after my wife declined his invitation on the phone. He had not been able to speak with her for nearly two years.
Mrs. W, my wife’s OM has classic antisocial personality disorder (according to our PhD psych MC). He is not a reasonable person like your OM-------I fear the worse. Ok Stanley, but did you miss this aside to you in the emails that I posted? [color:"red"](YES Stanley, FOM, walked away-but I believe that had much to do with exposure to my family)[/color] That's a BIG KEY...One that your story is missing... What would you do if you weren't paralyzed by FEAR Stanley? Mrs. W
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Mrs. W, my wife’s OM has classic antisocial personality disorder (according to our PhD psych MC). He is not a reasonable person like your OM-------I fear the worse. And yet you remain tucked tailed and hidden behind your fears while this PSYCHOTIC individual infiltrates your family (albeit your inlaws) and has contact with your adored wife. As a physician I stongly recommend you pull out your scapel and excise this cancer from your family. (Dr. Harley, Bob Pure, Mrs. W, and most if not all here recommend the same thing). The wounds will heal and I promise the scarring will be minimal. Doing it NOW, I surmise, without Myrta's agreement, which you'll likely NEVER get because SHE, unlike "ALL" FWW's apparently DOES retain some "loyalty" to OM. I feel today is your best opportunity to remove the cancer from your family before it matastisizes(sp?) without appearing vindictive. Sure Myrta will be upset...maybe furious, but your marriage WILL survive. Without exposure it probably will too; but why risk it???????????????? Really WHY?. I just don't get the payoff. Mryta has NOT fully processed this. It is apparent in her admitted "recollection" of the conversation. You've got the medicine to help her get it. Administer it. Mr. Wondering
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ummmmmmmmmmm this was discussed awhile back because Myrta & Stanley were "OK" knowing the sleezy predatory OM was making close friendship ties with their daughters.... right then I zipped this issue shut in a baggie never to be opened .... because Stanley & Myrta have allowed a bad person to associate with their children in order to save face .... this is not BIG NEWS people .... this is OLD stale dryed up puke <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" /> Pep
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Is what Pepp is saying true (I have NO reason to doubt Pepp) only asking for emphasis.
OM, the known PYSCHOTIC, has not only infiltrated your in-laws but your daughters as well????
This is straight up conflict avoidance Stanley. I know it because it's me too. Because of the contact today between Myrta and OM you HAVE your motivation (and excuse to diffuse Myrta's hothead) to do your exposure. Besides she's 2500 miles away and can't necessarily take that much out on you for doing it. She'll calm down by the time she gets home and you'll both, I surmise, have RELIEF. When is it ever going to end otherwise???????
Today is the day you take on YOUR ISSUES of fear and conflict avoidance. TODAY.
Courage is in the doing. You have NO REASON to discuss this with Myrta. YOU MATTER...Stanley. This is your cancer too. EXCISE IT.
It's simple (but not easy)....EXPOSE.
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If he is truly PYSCHOTIC, what's to stop him from taking the next equally pyschotic step of trying to seduce one of your daughters????
It is predictable stalking behavior...is it not????
WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE?
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My most unbelievable justification was believing my children would adjust well. God, what a sickness....
*TJ* Squid used to tell me " Kids are resilient" and "OM says divorce was good for his estranged children - toughened them up".
My mouth hangs open even as I recall that. If you knew Squid she is the most "mother hen", investing and protective mother on earth. A sickness indeed.... My wife told me that kids liked OM and all would be well. ROTFLMAO. The fog was dense back then. My wife is sick to her stomach when she remembers what she thought and was like back then.
Me: 56 (FBS) Wife: 55 (FWW)
D-Day August 2005
Married 11/1982 3 Sons 27,25,23
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I think this has to change and should have changed a long time ago. To allow OM to unsuspectively infiltrate your wife's family is to allow the fox into the henhouse. Exposing your wifes affair to them IS NOT vindictive, it is a consequence of HER affair AND may not have been necessary once the affair was over absent the actions of OM....but it is blantantly apparent it is very important now. 100% agree with Mr W. Why has this not been done Stanley???
Me: 56 (FBS) Wife: 55 (FWW)
D-Day August 2005
Married 11/1982 3 Sons 27,25,23
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Mrs. W, I don’t want the affair to be known to anyone. So, in this issue I have been in total agreement with my wife. I have some pride and it would be difficult for me to face her family (or my family) as a betrayed man. Stanley, for me, pride died on d-day. Just the mere fact that my wife wanted to screw another man killed all pride. Stanley - is your pride more important than your marriage and the security of your children and family?
Me: 56 (FBS) Wife: 55 (FWW)
D-Day August 2005
Married 11/1982 3 Sons 27,25,23
Empty Nesters.
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