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Ultimately, Silverwraith, it's down to whether you want to spend your life with a man who believes it's fine to hide things from you 'to spare you pain'. Do you agree that it's his choice whether he gets to spare you pain or not - or do you think it's yours?

What the experts say is unimportant - what do you think is right? You don't need a bunch of authorities to back you up - just your own boundaries.

You're not likely to argue him out of a conflict-avoiding mindset with the power of logic.

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Thank you to everyone who kindly offered advice, I just now came back online and saw the further words of wisdom that were left.

Mortarman, that post you found indeed clarifies and states things so well, that I think I will give a speech to that effect to him. Not a letter, where's it too easy for him to skip over unpleasant words or distort the meaning, but face to face and calmly.

Dru, to clarify at your request, it was a year-long relationship before we married but much of that was spent apart due to distance so it was easy for him to have a whole secret life.

As the MC phrased it last week, "You feel you've been snookered, don't you?"

The term made me laugh (hadn't heard it in AGES!) but it really does sum up how I feel. Like I married a total stranger. Who is this man? I even found out he went on international cable T.V. and was part of a segment on dating/relationships after we met. Half of you have probably seen it and don't even know it, I haven't and don't care to - bad enough to know thousands of strangers around the world were probably highly entertained by the whole thing and that everyone on a certain Yahoo forum was "in on it" except me, his fiancee.

Ironically, he is a Dr. Laura fan and devotee, I believe she only gives a very few "passes" for divorce but infidelity is one of them. However I am sure he'll argue that pre-marital infidelity does not count in her eyes. I'm not sure of her stance, but anyway I can't stand her and don't want to listen to her show because next thing I'll probably hear him calling in to bask in another moment in the spotlight. (Me, bitter? Nawww... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />)

It's not as if I didn't try to take precautions, there are now plenty of sites that offer to investigate prospective partners but I ran into a roadblock because they were all limited to the U.S. and he didn't live here at the time. I realize now I should have found and hired a P.I. in his native country no matter how much it might have cost. Water under the bridge but maybe some belated words of wisdom to others out there. Hindsight blah-blah and all that.

~ Silverwraith


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Me - BS - 44
Him - FWH - 45
2 1/2 yr. marriage
PA was all during 2005 during our engagement and up to the night before our wedding (2/17/06); EA continued afterwards.
DDay - 3/2006
NC - 10/2006
Retrouvaille - 4/2007
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[color:"blue"]Dr.L's stance is: If he cant keep it in his pants during the beginning of the relationship, when everything is new and lovey-dovey, then how do you expect to resist tempataion when normal life's stresses enter the equation?? This is a person who does not believe in monagamy. This person did not have a chance to get rejected by the BS... This person has their own SEVERE issues.

100% of the time, she's recommended the BS dump the WS, if not yet married or newly married. If they are already cheating now, you have no chance. And if you ACCEPT this now, this early in the relationship, you have no one to blame when it happens next time. She has less tolerance for Pre-marital infidelity than otherwise![/color] That's what Dr.L says. If he's listened to her for more than 10 minutes he knows that.

He's not a US Citizen? OMG.. girl! Cant you see the red flags? Guess he's here now, living in your nice home? Now the Yahoo/Dating show.. it just gets worse, doesnt it?

I cant tell from your post, but it seems you admit he schnookered you, but you seem willing to let this continue? Schnookered = fraud = rip off. You were his target, his victim, his mark. Preditors dont love their victims. Ever. They SAY they do, they say anything, but they cant actually love them. They look for victims and figure out what they need to say in order to get what they want. Can you imagine doing this to someone you 'loved'?? What would you advise your daughter or a good friend in this situation?

Why are you not more p*ssed? Why do you think he's got actual love in his heart for you? You've seen how manipulative he is, why do you think anything he says is anything more than an act? He's certainly capable of pulling off this act, you know this. He's certainly got LOTS to gain from your relationship, while it seems you've lost a lot. I cant tell what the pay-off is for you.

If you want me to drop it, I will. I just truly dont understand your point of view - Dru

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