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#1718883 07/28/06 02:17 PM
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Feel so stupid <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

I just discovered my wife of 16 years has been having a affair again. This is the third time I have caught her in a affair in 16 years. We met young, she was 18 and I was 24. We had a baby girl after 2 years and married.

She had her first round of affairs (2 guys that I know of from the gym we worked out at) when our daughter was 2. I was devastated and filed for divorce. She told me she didn't want our daughter with her, so I took her as well. After about 6 months apart when I had started to move on and try dating some other woman, she came back into my life and wanted to work things out. She did all the right things and made me feel like a king. I was still in love with her so I took her back and justified her affairs to myself by thinking "we wee married young and had a family early, so of course she had a affair" never thinking to myself, well then how come I was loyal and devoted, lol.

So, 8 years pass. The more time that passes since the reconciliation the more inattentive and chilly towards me she is. I have always been madly in love and attracted to my wife. I thought maybe I was doing something wrong, that if I just tried a little harder or loved her a little more or did more things for her, she would love me and become attracted more to me over time. It seems the opposite was the case. She became indifferent to me and the needs of our marriage. We had another child and on paper, we had the perfect life. She didn't work, I made lots of money, etc.

Toward the end of the eight years, she started getting in shape, wearing revealing outfits to the gym etc, and picking fights with me constantly. I was very confused and didn't know what to do. I had seen all of this before and was in denial I guess and didn't want to believe she was capable of doing this again to me and our family. Then tragedy struck. Our some managed to slip out of our back door and drowned in our pool at 18 months old. We were both devastated. I had a real hard time with it and blamed myself and my wife for the accident. Our marriage completely broke down then. I asked her to go to counseling with she agreed to.

That didn't last long. She would yell and scream that the therapist was against her and on my side and that she couldn't tell her anything about what she was feeling. You get the idea.

Well, after another year of limping along after our sons death, she sit's me down and gives me the "I love you, but have never been in love with you" speech. She asked for a divorce and said there was no one else involved. I still loved her, so I believed her in spite of my gut telling me different. I agreed to get a divorce and moved into the guest room.

Two weeks later she asked me if I would be ok with her dating while we were still in the same house together! I couldn't believe what I was hearing! I said no, that I still loved her and the divorce was hard enough on me without adding this to the equation. She agreed and we eventually sold the house, signed divorce papers and separated.

Separated, I tried to put everything behind me and maintain a good relationship with my soon to be ex-wife. We even moved into the same apartment complex so our daughter would have a easy time going back and forth between us. One day, she needed to use my car so we switched vehicles for the day. In her car, she had left her journal which she had started writing in after our son died. I know I shouldn't have, but I read it. Inside I found out about multiple men she was having affairs with in the last year and a half of our marriage before and after our son died. Once again, men she had met at the gym. I was of course devastated AGAIN. I confronted her on the info, the usual anger, denial, I never loved you, etc.

So once again, I go through the grief, betrayal, loneliness, crushed self esteemed, etc. I start to pull out of it about 6 months after reading the journal, even start dating, although nothing serious. Just testing the waters. Then lo and behold as sure as the setting sun, guess who's back? My ex is calling me telling me how much she misses me and loves me and what a bad mistake she has mad. Still being in love with her, I agree to see her.

She, once again, is everything I want her to be. Fun, beautiful, warm, attentive, passionate, sexual, everything! Once again, I was swept off my feet and fell hard all over again for her. I made justifications for her past behavior to myself again. We had our son die after all, that was just her way of dealing with it, I told myself. She would positively never do this to me again, she learned her lesson and we will be the stronger for it I thought.

So we get back together again for a third time.

All is great in the beginning, we call off the second divorce and move back in together. I am happy, she seems to get happy and our daughter is happy. This goes on for about a year or 2 then all of the sudden, something changes in her. She starts drifting away emotionally again and becoming cold, mean and sexually disinterested. Immediately I see the signs this time and go into overdrive trying to make her happy. Which is a real feat, because I have always been so in love with her that I lavished her with attention, love and anything she ever wanted or needed. Maybe that was a mistake? I don't know. I always thought that love was unconditional and that you gave 100% of yourself selflessly and that's just the way it was suppose to be.

Then came 6 months ago. She sits me down and gives me a "I love you, but have never been romantically in love with you and never will be" speech. She said that's the way it was and that it would never change, and that if I was ok with that, we could stay together and work it our, but she didn't see why I would want to. I was, of course, very hurt. She said there was no one else, I believed her. I told her I loved her and that I couldn't leave. I wanted to make it work. She was upset with me. I think she just wanted me to be the bad guy for once and end it.

Shortly after the talk, she got on birth control (we had been trying for another child) and started getting in shape and looking great wherever she went. I was suspicious, but she assured me she would never hurt me like that again, what a [censored] I was.

So last week, I knew something was going on, but wanted to know more and have proof before damaging our relationship anymore by making accusations that were unfounded. I really wanted to believe her. So I stuck a voice activated recorded in her truck hoping to find out what she was up to. I thought at the worst, she was having a inappropriate emotional affair. After the second time putting the recorder in the car, I heard something that has really messed me up bad. On the tape, was my wife, having wild passionate sex with another man in the back of the truck I bought her for Valentines day after we got back together the last time. It sounded like a porno with all of the moaning and groaning. I have been with my wife 16 years and had never heard her carryon like that. It was devastating to say the least.

I confronted her immediately, she denied it and said he was just a friend, then I pulled out the tape recorder and she went white. Tears, apologies, yelling at me for spying on her, etc. I told her the marriage was over this time for good. This was just unforgivable and no amount of rationalization could excuse what she did this time. She said she was sorry, she never meant to hurt me, but she really liked this guy and couldn't help herself.

I found out who it was. She is 33, he is a 54 year old man who is married to his wife of 19 years and they own a business together. I contacted her and calmly told her about the affair. She was devastated, of course. He called my wife the next day and told her his wife had beat the crap out of him, thrown him out, removed him from his job and was going to divorce him. I felt he got what he deserved. I know that's not right, but that's how I felt.

Now me and my wife are forced to live together while our house sells. Probably a good 3 months together still. She is very repentant and says she wishes she would have just ended it before the affair so we could have left on good terms. We are trying to get along while together and try and salvage ANY cordial relationship for our 13 year old daughters sake.

It's so hard. Even though she has done it to me over and over, I still lover her. Why is that? I just don't understand it. I see her crying, and when I ask her whets she crying over, she won't tell me. I keep asking and she finally tells me it's over him! Not the 16 year relationship with a 13 year old daughter she has destroyed. She is crying over the loss of her lover of only a couple of months!?!?

She told me she saw him yesterday out and about. When he saw her, he ran like a bat out of ****** in his car and disappeared. She said she noticed he had his wedding ring still on. I asked what she had hoped would happen? She said she wished he had stopped and talked to her. She still wants to see him.

Sorry for the long rant, I am just feeling so stupid and confused and hurt. I feel like my life is over and that I have been a fool for so long. The thing that really hurts, is this time I know it's over for good, but I still love my wife <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> I hope that feeling will go away someday. It's just so incredibly painful now. I keep hearing that tape over and over again in my head.

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U r not stupid. What you are feeling is what many of us have gone through. Please read the concepts section above.

You have been through this several times and see yourself in the same place.

Time to get you a recovery plan for you 1st, get your mind and heart in sync so you and your daughter will have a safe future. Whether the WS decides to finally come clean is not up to you. It's up to her. The fact that she can turn on the charm and off soo easily is scary.

Call for help. Get a good MC or better yet, call Jennifer C @ mb for some phone counseling. Read the concepts section and the book surviving an affair (by Dr. Harley) before you call.

You are not stupid or crazy. This A stuff is quite taxing on all sane people. We can give you our support as needed.

take care,
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Chris - sorry for the loss of your son. I too lost a son.

Well, maybe you can get custody of your remaining child as originally offered.

Dump this woman once and for all.

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(((((Chris)))))

Many Prayers for You...You are not a fool or stupid...I wanted you to know that someone is reading and cares...

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FBH ~ 50 ~ MrWondering
DD ~ 17
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I am very sorry for you and my sorrow for what happened to your son. You are not a fool for loving the wrong person. Imagine what it will be like loving the right person in the future. It sounds like your wife is a cakewoman who enjoys having a husband who adores her and pays the bills while she can go off and have multiple sex partners when she feels like it. She has a broken moral compass and it probably would be a matter of time until she gave you an STD. Do not waste your life and energy on someone who clearly is such a user. She enjoys having you on a string.

Enough is enough. This is a pattern of behavior for her. You would be a fool only if you continue to allow her to make a fool out of you. You deserve better my friend. Do you really need to have a piano fall on your head? Enough is enough. Do not let her destroy your life which she will if you allow it. I wish you luck.

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And I forgot to say, you're not stupid.

Sounds like you're a caring father to me.

Maybe too caring of your wife.........

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Welcome. I am so sorry for the horrible events that have brought you here.

Hold strong for your daughter. Your wife is emotionally ill, and your daughter will need a light-house.

Is there no way to move you and your daughter out now?

Please read as much on this site as you can for any future relationship and since it may make sense of the things that have happened.

Your wife is not REALLY crying over the loss of a 2 month relationship, she is crying over the personal rejection she is experiencing and her very low self esteem--which she has sought to compensate for through admiration from men. She cant see that because it would be too scary for her. At least that is my non-professional two cents.

Best of courage to you.

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Chris,

There are a lot of us on the forum that know your wife personally, metaphorically speaking. Get a copy of Dr Pittman's Private Lies. It will help.

If you really want to end the M ( and another inevitable heartbreak), intimate that you have strayed yourself. I GUARANTEE she will not put up with that type of nacisssitic injury and will be gone so fast it will take your breath away

Best of luck


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I am so sorry for you.

You love your wife. You love the person she can be. You hate her damaging, selfish behavior. That's understandable.

I agree with the other posters who tell you to read the articles on this board. Work on yourself. Get IC to help. Stay in shape. Get plenty of sleep.

Get out of the M. It will hurt emotionally, but intellectually you must know it is the only choice you have. Read about sliding into a Plan B / Plan D. It will help you limit your exposure to your STBXW, and make the transition into D easier.

Good luck to you.


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RUN, don't walk, to the nearest M exit!

All kidding aside, this woman is toxic and a threat to you and your child. Divorce her and file for sole custody of your child immediately and let "the real world" have its way with her.

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I could have written your letter! It sounds a lot like my situation except I had never divorced my wife. She use to get mean and nasty and start fights. I could never understand where that was coming from. I too had suspected affairs but by the time I started looking for proof things would change. “I love you but I am not in love with you”, gosh I hate that.

I finally did catch her. In your case there is something wrong insider her not in you. I know how devastating it is to catch them on tape and video having sex. It happened to me and it made me sick. It was something that just made me look at her and get ill. It really hurt like you said because it was like a porn video. To see my wife enjoying sex with someone else made me think less of myself. I know a persons mind plays tricks on them when you think about this stuff but when you can hear them or see them having sex it is very hard to overcome.

Your wife made a lifestyle choice. She is a serial cheater that will never change. I made good money also and my wife did not work and she was still miserable with me. She wanted to be a SAHM and not work. When I did that for her she then was not happy until she had a boyfriend and my money to go and shop. When I cut off her money and booted her out she of course wanted to come back. I learned it is not has fun having sex with the OM if she cannot also have access to money to shop.

Since your wife continues to cheat and will never be faithful I would tell you to move on. You can see when you give her the freedom she wanted she came back. It has nothing to do with you it has to do with her. Nothing can fill that void in her. She sleeps with OM and after a while she realizes she still has a void. I know you love her but a person like this will never change. I think some cheaters do make mistakes and are repentant but some are serial cheaters who will never stop. It appears you married one of the serial cheaters. Sorry!

Remember she is the fool. To let a good man like you go is a very foolish thing to do.

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Ok,

First I am so sorry for what has happened to you. You are not a fool nor were/are you stupid for loving your W. HOWEVER, if you think that love will cure what ails this marriage, you ARE NUTS.

The data clearly shows that nothing has changed in your marriage and nothing WILL change in your marriage unless something does change. That something is YOUR W. She has no respect for you, no respect for marriage, little respect for her family, and has not even addressed WHY she has done what she has.

Given that this is the situation, and give this is the third, fourth, fifth, .... affair, I think the data is clear. You file for divorce and you stick with it. Until she radically changes many things within her YOU cannot make this marriage work. YOU cannot change your W, you cannot make her change herself, she has to do these things.

I frankly think your daughter, you and probably your W will be much happier when you divorce. Perhaps you can be friends and co-parent with her, but be married to her given the situation...NO.

So far you have shown your daughter that she will be able to run over men as your W has done to you. You are showing her that she does not have to respect marriage,her spouse, or any vows in her life. She WILL learn that most men will not tolerate behavior such as your W has exhibited, and then she will be divorced and any children she has will be greatly harmed.

Frankly, your unwillingness to allow your W to face the consequences of her actions is incredibly selfish and will harm your daughter. You have no business being married to the woman she is and has been for most of your marriage. Until she changes radically and deeply, there is more of the same coming down the line. How do I know? Oh it is probably the what 4, 5, half a dozen? or more affairs she has had.

I realized you posted to marriage builders to save your marriage, but frankly in my opinion the only thing that has a chance of saving any relationship with your W is if you divorce her. That just might cause her to seek the help and counseling she needs. It might save your daughter some really hard lessons when she is an adult.

I truely grieve that I have to be so blunt to you, but frankly I hate to see children hurt, and you are hurting your daughter if you allow this mess to continue.

I hope something I have said sticks with you.

God Bless,

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God bless you my friend. You did all you could do during these long years w/a woman who is a serial cheater.

I was married to one.

Your W is fogged out. What? did she believe the MM would go after her after his W threw him out? Seriously sick.

And God bless you. I am so sorry to hear about your son.

Please know you're being prayed for. I am so sorry for your losses.

But faith heals all wounds. Realize YOU ARE WORTH FAR MORE THAN THIS...YOU HAVE SO MUCH TO OFFER...you have been blessed w/the rare capacity to TRULY LOVE AND TO FORGIVE...which is really rare these days. When and if you are ever single again, your WW will find out that those traits are in SHORT SUPPLY and she will see what she's missing out on.

Be there for your kids. Do what is APPROPRIATE FOR YOUR KIDS. Whatever that takes.

We will help. We're friends. We'll be here. You're NOT alone. Many of us walked this line.

I am so sorry for her negative choices.


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He called my wife the next day and told her his wife had beat the crap out of him, thrown him out, removed him from his job and was going to divorce him.

I will let the qualified people on here advise you on your situation, but I just have to say that sentence totally cracked me up. I guess this woman didn't feel that Plan A was an appropriate strategy, eh? Instead, just beat the crap out of him and throw the creep out? LOL, good for her. If I had it to do over, that's what I'd do too.

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Thanks all. It's good to have the support and to hear you all reinforcing what I am thinking. It is definately over and I am getting off this train wreck. It's just painfull. Someone described my wife to me recently as a "beutiful monster". I think has been one of the best descriptions I have heard yet. I still love her and probably always will, but I can't do this anymore.

Thanks again!

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Chris,

Loving your wife doesn't mean you have to be married to her. Being in love with someone also doesn't mean that person is the right person for you. I have been in love with someone who was totally wrong for me. A marriage to him would never have worked out - and yet our love was there, it was true, and it was strong. Your marital history shows that, while you may have love for each other, the relationship has never been stable.

This is obviously a woman who is not able to be faithful. Divorce seems to be your best option. You have a daughter, and that child really needs to be the focus right now. Please, Chris, you must take your daughter with you. Your daughter needs a solid role model at her age, and her mother isn't really able to provide that for her. Young women need role models who will show them how to interact with men in ways that foster self-respect and sexual appropriateness, and your wife doesn't appear to have worked through those phases of her own life quite yet - how could she possibly provide guidance and nurturing for a teenage daughter in these areas? I urge you to seek full custody, and do not allow your daughter to be exposed to the numerous men that your wife will no doubt be bringing into her home. Your daughter will be at risk for many types of exploitation by being exposed to the type of lifestyle your wife seems to lead - I bring this up because I work in a field in which this is quite common, and you need to be very aware of the risks. Consider this and discuss it with your attorney, please. Your daughter's future, her sense of self-worth as a woman is being developed right now. It is critical to consider this.

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Here is an article that many BS have recommended to assist with "triggers"-- web page

It may help you deal with the haunting tape memories.

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Update: The hits just keep on coming, she just admitted to another guy she was seeing before the last one about 4 or 5 months ago. ain't love great <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

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Chris, i suspect the quality of your life will change DRAMATICALLY once you extract yourself from her insanity. Make a CHOICE to remove yourself, my friend.

You KNOW what she is all about, so you are no longer her VICTIM, but a volunteer. You volunteered for this. The only one you have to blame for this now is the man in the mirror. Be a friend to him, for once, and remove him from this insanity!


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This marriage will not end "and they lived happily ever after"

no matter what you do

eyes wide open

it is what it is

GET OUT of her way

she's not finished .... not by a mile



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