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#1724211 08/04/06 03:54 PM
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Shaden, you're not listening.

That is EXACTLY what my post was all about. Any decent human being, and I'm not talking about WS's who just love to inflict pain, does NOT withhold information because of self preservation, they withhold it because they do not wish to inflict FURTHER pain. It didn't HURT ME to withhold information, I didn't want to inflict further pain.

Shaden, I have a huge amount of respect for you. Please read my post carefully.


KiwiJ, earlier on your thread about "Twisting the Knife", you said these words to me. I admit I hadn't gotten back to reading that thread to see them until now. I have not read the rest of it yet and will when I have a chance... but I wanted to respond to this. I'm starting a new thread because I don't know where the other has gone and this may be lost or seem ridiculous on there now.

Actually I believe I had read your post thoroughly and I think I was agreeing with you. It might not have sounded like it in my post to Mel... but I was.

What I believe Mel was talking about was the fundamental truth of such situations... that it really does help the BS (which you admitted to realizing later) and the actuality of not could be a form of personal preservation. I was agreeing with Mel on this.

BUT... I was also agreeing with you in that I believe you in saying the WS (or FWS) does not think of it at the time as a preservation instinct... they feel all the hurt caused and just do not want to cause any more. What I was saying is that there were 2 sides to this issue.... the real feelings being felt at the time... and the psychology (learned responses, morality, instincts... whatever else is lumped in here) of what is happening.

Your post was very helpful to me to hear that possibly my W was genuinely not wanting to hurt me further. In reality, she did hurt me further by not sharing... but it was what her intention was that is now important to me.

Have I explained this any better, or am I still misunderstanding you. Possibly the thread has gotten so far beyond this point that it doesn't even matter... but I wanted to clarify.

I read a little further on that you wished that you had not started that thread... that it just brought more pain. I, for one am glad you did. I look forward to reading the rest of it when I can.

Shaden


BH (Me) - 38
WW - 36
Married - 16 years
2 children - 10,12
DD1 - 05/30/05 - EA suspected, W wanted space
DD2 - 07/01/05 - EA/PA discovered & confronted WW
DD3 - 07/21/05 - Further contact discovered and now ended.
11/07/05 - exposed to OMW...
07/01/07 - separated to give "space". recovery was not progressing.
09/04/07 - DDAY all over... new OM.

Patience with God is Faith.
Patience with myself is Hope.
Patience with others is Love.
FAITH REQUIRES ACTION!
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MEL!!!!!!!!!! Grab your GRENADES Girl, WE ARE GOING TO CANADA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JEN, Pack your stuff, you're comin' too!!!!!!! These Canadians must learn to quit bein' so wishy washy!!!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Mrs. W <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />

P.S. I saw both viewpoints too! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> But it's so darned fun to give Shaden a hard time! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />


FWW ~ 47 ~ Me
FBH ~ 50 ~ MrWondering
DD ~ 17
Dday ~ 2005 ~ Recovered

MrsWondering #1724213 08/04/06 04:32 PM
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Grab your GRENADES Girl, WE ARE GOING TO CANADA


Don't expect any response fire... I think all of ours are over in Afganistan... either that or they are sitting on the bottom of our lonely ancient submarine. (Ooops, did I give away national secrets).

Shaden


BH (Me) - 38
WW - 36
Married - 16 years
2 children - 10,12
DD1 - 05/30/05 - EA suspected, W wanted space
DD2 - 07/01/05 - EA/PA discovered & confronted WW
DD3 - 07/21/05 - Further contact discovered and now ended.
11/07/05 - exposed to OMW...
07/01/07 - separated to give "space". recovery was not progressing.
09/04/07 - DDAY all over... new OM.

Patience with God is Faith.
Patience with myself is Hope.
Patience with others is Love.
FAITH REQUIRES ACTION!
Shaden #1724214 08/04/06 04:35 PM
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I ain't wishy-washy... it's just that you darn Americans need to fight over everything... and sometimes we have to subtly explain that you ain't even fighting over the same thing.

<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Shaden

Sorry, Kiwi... I'm thinkin' now that you ain't American, right?... lucky for you.


BH (Me) - 38
WW - 36
Married - 16 years
2 children - 10,12
DD1 - 05/30/05 - EA suspected, W wanted space
DD2 - 07/01/05 - EA/PA discovered & confronted WW
DD3 - 07/21/05 - Further contact discovered and now ended.
11/07/05 - exposed to OMW...
07/01/07 - separated to give "space". recovery was not progressing.
09/04/07 - DDAY all over... new OM.

Patience with God is Faith.
Patience with myself is Hope.
Patience with others is Love.
FAITH REQUIRES ACTION!
Shaden #1724215 08/04/06 04:39 PM
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My post seems to have got lost. I said thanks.

No Shaden, part of the Commonwealth just like you. I've never set foot on American soil but my DD will be there in about 2 months.

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I ain't wishy-washy... it's just that you darn Americans need to fight over everything... and sometimes we have to subtly explain that you ain't even fighting over the same thing..

We need to kick his [censored] for that!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />


"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

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Sorry, Kiwi... I'm thinkin' now that you ain't American, right?... lucky for you.

Um Shaden, I'll speak really slowly...If you had to guess where KIWI was from, where would that be??? I'll give you 3 guesses and the first two don't count! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Yep Mel, I've got my [censored] kickin' boots on, LET'S GO!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />

Mrs. W

P.S. Edited to add...No fair looking at the LOCATION under her name either Shaden...duh! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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FWW ~ 47 ~ Me
FBH ~ 50 ~ MrWondering
DD ~ 17
Dday ~ 2005 ~ Recovered

MrsWondering #1724218 08/04/06 04:59 PM
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1st guess... on the fruit stand at Safeway???


BH (Me) - 38
WW - 36
Married - 16 years
2 children - 10,12
DD1 - 05/30/05 - EA suspected, W wanted space
DD2 - 07/01/05 - EA/PA discovered & confronted WW
DD3 - 07/21/05 - Further contact discovered and now ended.
11/07/05 - exposed to OMW...
07/01/07 - separated to give "space". recovery was not progressing.
09/04/07 - DDAY all over... new OM.

Patience with God is Faith.
Patience with myself is Hope.
Patience with others is Love.
FAITH REQUIRES ACTION!
Shaden #1724219 08/04/06 05:00 PM
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2nd guess... I mighta said Australia... but that's like saying I'm from the U.S.


BH (Me) - 38
WW - 36
Married - 16 years
2 children - 10,12
DD1 - 05/30/05 - EA suspected, W wanted space
DD2 - 07/01/05 - EA/PA discovered & confronted WW
DD3 - 07/21/05 - Further contact discovered and now ended.
11/07/05 - exposed to OMW...
07/01/07 - separated to give "space". recovery was not progressing.
09/04/07 - DDAY all over... new OM.

Patience with God is Faith.
Patience with myself is Hope.
Patience with others is Love.
FAITH REQUIRES ACTION!
Shaden #1724220 08/04/06 05:26 PM
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but that's like saying I'm from the U.S.


And THAT would be BLASPHEMY to us!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Mrs. W


FWW ~ 47 ~ Me
FBH ~ 50 ~ MrWondering
DD ~ 17
Dday ~ 2005 ~ Recovered


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