Well, if I do have a "problem" I am sure we will resolve it. Thanks for your concern, though.

Quote from earlier in this thread:


Well someone color me surprised. And here I thought that conspiracy theories only happened on the X-Files!

You mean that there has been a concerted effort to remove or discourage posters from coming here on MB and posting by a group of people who post both on MB and on some other forum?!?!?!

Wow...wonder where THAT stands in the MB TOS?

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Let me put it this way, if I felt the unrest was fueled by my board I would address it myself. I don't need your prompting or discernment to do that. It would MY PLACE to address it, not yours, Starfish. In fact, I think that your questions are doing nothing more than contributing to the unrest you claim to abhor. It is a diversion from the very tough moral issues that face this board. You are using "nice words" to do it, but it is causing unrest all the same.

This kind of sums up what I was trying to imply.



It just doesn't seem like a very comfortable place anymore. What I suspected was confirmed. I think it's very distasteful, and I no longer feel very comfortable partaking in this... it's like gossip mongers. It defeats the whole purpose of Harley's intent. And THAT is my opinion, which I'm also entitled to.

Here ... I thought I was trying to just help people along a difficult path, to only find out that there's a whole different agenda that takes place behind the scenes.

Defending MB principles are good.

Saul of Tarsus persecuted the Christian church. He arrested, imprisoned and killed people for what they believed.

Yet Jesus himself appointed Saul, who was later known as the Apostle Paul, to be his man to spread the very gospel that he defiled and hated. I can imagine how offensive it was for those families who had suffered at Paul’s hand. Even the other apostles did not want to accept him at first; until Barnabas spoke up for him.

Acts 9:26-28
26 When he came to Jerusalem, he tried to join the disciples, but they were all afraid of him, not believing that he really was a disciple. 27 But Barnabas took him and brought him to the apostles. He told them how Saul on his journey had seen the Lord and that the Lord had spoken to him, and how in Damascus he had preached fearlessly in the name of Jesus. 28 So Saul stayed with them and moved about freely in Jerusalem, speaking boldly in the name of the Lord.

At some point, someone (Barnabas), had to make themselves vulnerable, to see what Saul’s (Paul) intentions were. Those who could not do that ,stayed away from Saul. What would have happened if no one ever trusted Paul (Saul)? Most of the New Testament would never have been written. And yet we are all using his letters to condemn people in (IMHO) a situation similar to his. It is also my opinion that God uses our issues and our victory over sin as our weapons for his glory.

This a quote from Pep and I whole heartedly agree with it.


Where would NBII be if she wasn’t allowed to even start plowing?

As I have been reading all of these threads, I have noticed a number of very good people looking to leave from both sides. And people with good advice leaving, because of a few, A FEW, who come on to MB seeking advice for their marriage (even though it started out wrong) is probably the greater harm.

Yes the greater harm is being caused because good people are leaving. Because when those good people leave, their experience will no longer be available for a “legitimate marriage” in trouble.

Trolls come and go, people that are not really seeking help here will eventually leave. People just looking at justifying their A will eventually leave. People will start to help them and eventually figure out what's real. They were coming here when I got here (SNL) and they will continue to come in the future. They get weeded out.

Really, I believe the only thing this will accomplish is to teach those who’s M started out as an A not to reveal that fact. Besides, I think agree with committedandlovingit, there are probably more marriages that started out as an affair marriage here on MB than we might care to admit. And at this point, I doubt that they would not want to admit it either. I think they would just rather keep it a secret and keep giving good MB advice.

Yes I feel for the BS who is triggered by someone coming here whose M started as an A, but I also know, that this maybe the place, and I maybe the person, that helps them reconcile with God, because that is God’s #1 priority; reconciliation with him. And I’d hate to be the one to have to answer Jesus when he asks me why I turned someone away who was ready to turn to him.

Very few are beyond God’s reach, and I’d just as soon stick with the examples the Harleys set.

I am reminded of a song by Casting Crowns that says “Jesus paid much to high a price for us to pick and choose who should come!”

JMVHO

Bless you all.

S&C

I've gotten all the answers I needed... thanks !!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

a few posters have cleared things up for me...and I appreciate their candidness.

ML.....I don't just use nice words....I genuinely value people....including you. Always have. I'm the same in real life. This is the way I talk....I'm a nice, but assertive person and and when I hear someone say "well yeah, you're using nice words but you're really NOT nice....just trying to stir up trouble" I just scratch my head.

Kiwi....thanks very much for your honesty.....hope there's not any backlash....I wasn't asking for anyone else to put themselves on the line.....I'm sorry if it causes any problems....dang.

ML....if what kiwi says is true *sigh*....I certainly can't "address" that issue directly anyway....it's your board. It's a different kind of exposure....people who have nothing to hide....yada yada. Address this however you see fit....but don't try and tell me that if such a dynamic exists....that I should be "unconcerned" or haven't the right to bring it up. I get to decide what I'm concerned about. So do you. It seems reasonable and logical that if this exists, it probably would make some kind impact on this board....how big?...I dunno. I have no idea. But yeah....it kinda creeps me out. Worse than that....it's disillusioning....disappointing.

I continue to hope that our members can find safe places to post if MB cannot offer that safety for them....I understand how the diversity here can be problematic because no one is really banned....even active OPs. But I will also continue to hope....that such a place is used primarily for safety and privacy, and not in any major way, a place to bash or form alliances about posters they don't like on MB. I hope you will discourage that as you see fit and have the same kind of respect for folks here as you want to provide for the folks on your board.

starfish, I sure do appreciate your concern, but rest assured it is not your issue, nor is it anything you can control. You can speculate all you want, as you have, but it still remains a private board whose activities are none of your business.

And please understand that Jen left the board on very bad terms after I exposed to Rob. She has made it very clear that she is quite unhappy with the board. I feel bad that she made such a statement here, however, I have no control over that.

I was removed from the board just before you exposed to Rob. I kept trying to log in and eventually realised my log in had been removed.

After you exposed to Rob, something I have never been angry about at all, I asked to be reinstated to the board and was. I wrote a post which was deleted (I have no issue with that or your reasons for deleting it) but was concerned about the tenor of the board and once again asked to be removed.

What concerns me and has always concerned me is the "taking over" of certain posts by members of your board. I know for a fact these were orchestrated because I saw them being orchestrated.

I have no issue at all with private groups springing up from MB, it happens all the time, especially when the safety of people is at stake.

What I do have an issue with is when an orchestrated "beating down" of posters is done. I only have to see the names and think "here we go again." The poor bemused original poster is left thinking "heck, how did that happen?"

and yea, I do feel it is wierd. I am a MB old timer. And I am also an avid MB'er who loves to help those really hurting out...I am always around to hand out a pep talk or honest truths when appropeau.

but my getting an invite to the club? nah. NEVER HAPPENED. NEVER WAS OFFERED TO ME..not even when I was in the throes of my very very public (here in Ga) divorce which involved legal proceedings and some covert opps...

I sure could have used that back then. But I never got the golden ticket to be able to get in.

Not really angry mind you...Just miffed I guess.

I didn't know "the board" even existed.

Guess it's like area 51. It may exist. I just can't prove it as I've not been there.

heck...I WOULD HAVE AT LEAST been nice to you girls at sorority rush....I wasn't a "cutter".

Jen, this post disappoints me greatly. This is not quite honest but I have no intention of rehashing it here. Suffice it to say that you left quite angry when one of your nocturnal drinking posts was removed followed up with a warning email from me.

Nor are there "orchestrated beatings." Folks post where they want and how they want to post just like anyone else.

You goofball! It was OPEN enrollment for ages! I just thought you didn't want to come around... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

aw come on. How come after all this time I never found out about it until TODAY? splain' that one Lucy!

I dunno, JP! Just know that you are one of my favorite peoples here and you were never excluded for any purpose!

I'm very sorry to hear that this happens.