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I posted this on the PlanA/PlanB forum as well...

Hi. I have never posted before, but I have come here frequently to search for answers – which I often found - thanks to all of you. I am finally posting because I cannot find an answer or advice for the problem I am having now.
Brief history - D-Day was June 2005. Decided together to reconcile. So I thought. WH lied all through MC that summer. He did tell me that the A was over, but that he wasn’t sure he wanted to stay married to me after all. Turned out that he was continuing the affair all along. D-Day #2 was in September (almost a year oago). After that discovery, I was devestated, but still resolved to continue to work at the marriage, and to work on ME. His excuse was that he fell back into old patterns, that he thought he could end it without hurting either of us, that she was his only friend… blah blah blah –

Anyway, I have been using Plan A officially since January. Trying to get WH to agree to No Contact with her. As far as I am concerned, if he will not agree to NC, then the affair continues… Right? WH has never agreed to No Contact. I decided to do Plan A, while gently bringing up NC every so often. The response continues to be the same. I continue to monitor for a real recurrance of the affair. I put a recorder in his car. I gave Plan A until June – 1 year from original D-Day.

The complication with NC is the job. You all will probably cringe to hear this – My WH’s business consists of 4 people… him, 2 other dear friends (who know about the A), and the OW. The 2 “dear friends” insist that they cannot remove her without also removing my husband, since they are both at fault for the affair. The OW flatly refused to quit (her excuses- she has 4 kids, I revealed the affair to her husband and he’s left so now she NEEDS the job, blah, blah, blah...) I personally feel that by not removing her from the business they betrayed me (She’s their “admin assistant” no jokes please about who she “assisted” more…), and even sort of sanctioned the continuance of the affair. I have spoken with them about how I feel, and they believe that there is no reason for my WH and the OW to have contact during the day, and that they have tried to give her tasks that in no way require his involvement. They feel they have done what they can. I have read other books that indicate that in a workplace affair, NC can be accomlished even if both partners remain at the job. But I really don’t think this can apply when there are only 4 people in the office!

So – to get to the point! I need NC. The affair isn’t over unless there is NC. I believe it can be accomlished even if she still refuses to leave the job. The two of them CAN arrange their schedules so they do not overlap, do some work from home, etc. I would prefer my WH seek employment elsewhere if she won’t leave– but this is a business that he has built, and I undestand his feelings about this. I can compromise, and I will agree to NC with very strict guidelines- and full disclosure if contact does occur. Problem is that WH STILL refuses to accept this. He says that his contact is already minimal, and that the is no “relationship” of any type with her anymore. They don’t “chat” about stuff, they only talk about work, I have nothing to worry about, etc. Well, that’s crap. I know because I record him in his car! Does he know I am recording him in his car? Yes. I told him after a New Years Eve call he made to her that made me believe that the affair had resumed. Besides calling her in the first place, he made several suggestive remarks, and seemed to made a plan to meet her the next day. His claim is that 1) she shut him down, and 2)did not meet him the next day. Who knows, but the point is he denyed and appologized, and though I didn’t totally “buy it”, it was possible that I was wrong in assuming they were truly involved again. BUT I still believed it was just under the surface. That’s when I began Plan A. I stopped recording for a little while, and then resumed. I guess he figured I had quit, because he kept calling her! (He doesn’t call her cell – he calls the office, so on the bill, there is no way to tell WHO he spoke to- clever, isn’t it?)

I decided to do Plan A, while bringing up NC issue every so often. The response continues to be the same. I continue to monitor for a real recurrance of the affair, or undeniable proof of its continuance. The only way I have stayed sane is by repeating to myself – “Plan A! Plan A! Plan A!” Reminding myself of the goal of Plan A, and that June is the deadline.

Here’s the thing – I have seen real positive changes in my WH over the months, and therefore extended my Plan A deadline. In April I was sure I would be in Plan B right now. But Plan A seems to be slowly working! I know his phone calls to her on the way to work have gone from every day (8 months ago) down to NONE for the past couple of weeks. What does it mean? What do I do now? Here’s my problem. I don’t know what to do now. I stopped recording, thinking that he maybe discovered me again. I plan to resume this week, and today I recorded our home phone while I am away for the day. No results from that yet. I don’t know how to bring up the subject of NC again without potentially LB-ing, and hurting the progress that has occurred. I know that I still need NC, I just feel like I am at a loss now.

So there’s my long story. I hope that some of you wonderful people here might be able to help me find direction again. You have already helped me so much, and didn’t even know it! Thanks!


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Doing, welcome to MB. I am very sorry for the situation that brings you here and I know how hurtful it is after DDay when they continue the A. We had many false recoveries in the last 2.5 years. We are finally on the right path.

First, you have been in plan A too long if the A is still on.
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Step 4: You’ve studied Plan A by now. You know about Love Busters (LB), Disrespectful Judgments (DJ), etc. If the confrontation didn’t end the affair and exposure hasn’t either, Plan A gives you the opportunity to work on yourself and the marriage to show the adulterous spouse what a marriage with you could be like.

By the way, betrayed spouse, your marriage may not have been perfect before. That doesn’t in any way justify the affair. You did NOT cause the affair, but you may not have done everything you could have done to prevent it.

So Plan A lets you work on things you don’t like about yourself. Maybe you’ve put on those extra pounds and you know you’re not as attractive to your spouse as you once were. In Plan A, you begin those workouts you’ve been putting off forever. Your temper gets the best of you sometimes? Find some anger management seminars and learn to control it. You have no way to express yourself? Take up painting, plant a garden, work on your tennis/golf game, start writing that great American novel you know is inside you…whatever.

While you’re working on you, you do nothing to make things worse with your spouse. You don’t even talk relationship with your spouse in this time if he or she doesn't want to. This plan is partly designed to show your spouse you can be one heck of a partner in a revitalized marriage. They will see…but don’t expect kudos from them. Actually, they’ll be more inclined to say something like “I don’t trust these sudden changes. They won’t last.” Another one can be paraphrased as “too little, too late.” Don’t worry about their reluctance to recognize the new you. In their fantasy world, they don’t know what’s good for them and no amount of reasoning will bring them to understand it. Don’t try.

Plan A is a process that has a definite time limit. You do not explain that to your wayward spouse, but you have to decide on a time frame to work on you and show your spouse how good it could be. Women typically work Plan A for about 3 months; men do a Plan A for about 6 months.

Step 5: Plan A sometimes works. Dr. Harley says it doesn’t 85% of the time. Therefore, a Plan A is usually, logically, followed by Plan B. The temptation is to skip Plan A and go straight to Plan B. That doesn’t work in the overwhelming number of cases. You have to build a basis for Plan B so the wayward spouse finds out what he or she will be missing.
That was posted in JFO by Longhorn.
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NEWBIE UPDATE

Well, today I thought I'd add my "Do's and Don'ts of Plan A List". This list I carried around with me from early into my wife's affair and then well into recovery. I referred to it from time to time to keep myself grounded in how I wanted to behave. A big part of Plan A is being the best person, spouse and parent (if applicable) that you can be despite the circumstances around you. My basic premise that enabled me to survive day to day was "Act, Don't React" (i.e. - "ACT" like the person I wanted to be without any love busters and do not allow myself to simply "React" to the harshness of the reality I foung myself in at the moment). Using this basic premise, I was able to weather the roller coaster of infidelity and eventually restore my marriage.

There are many emotional strains on the wayward spouse but their primary problem/issue is the OP (Other Person). If "No Contact" has not yet been established they will behave with a single minded intention to get their "fix" of the OP. If you threaten their ability to obtain such fix depending on the length of time between fixes, the quality of the recent fix and the security of such fix you will be met with resistance in varying degrees. No doubt about it, your efforts WILL be resisted but how they do it is a crap-shoot. They may yell, threaten or otherwise blatantly attempt to manipulate you with fear, anger, intimidation or whatever OR be more caniving and attempt to appease you with lies, more deceipt and covert manipulation. Either way they are not really LISTENING to you...you are their secondary concern. Understanding that is essential.

Conversly, the things you do that do not interfere with their addiction will be strongly encouraged and reinforced or perhaps simply ignored. Again, it's manipulation. They will be nice to you, have sex with you, spend time with you IF you allow them to continue having their affair...unabated. The policy of appeasement does not work. You can't simply be a doormat no matter how comfortable your wayward MAY attempt to make you feel.

So in the end you are left feeling powerless and beat up. Which in all essence you are. It's THEIR addiction you have little influence over. Only the addict can decide for themselves when to releive themselves of their addiction. They will do so IF YOU behave according to the solid, well tested, professionally advised Marrigage Builders principles. You, of course, must practice both the "CARROT AND THE STICK of Plan A (see link in my signature line below) to attempt to bust up the affair. But much of the STICK does not involve your day to day interactions with your "FOGGED OUT" wayward spouse. My do's and don't list is how you manage your spouse while you do the rest of Plan A.

Some days your spouse will be kind to you and other days hostile. As you ATTEMPT to pull closer to them and reestablish intimacy they will no doubt respond by pulling away for fear of you interrupting their affair OR, if the affair is over, for fear of leading you on. If you pull away from them the Waywards may often pull you closer for fear of losing you, for fear of losing their options as they cake eat/ride the fence of indecision. However, if you pull away to hard you may run a huge risk that you will merely reinforce and legitimize their built up rationalizations and justifications. It's simply the roller coaster of infidelity and the more you recognize it for what it is the more POWER you have to control YOURSELF as you both progress through this mess.

The wayward emotional pull back is to be EXPECTED. Waywards almost always do this. They take a step towards you and you respond appreciatively...you acquire Hope and push for more, more, more. You hunger for HOPE and they fear it. WS's don't feel worthy of it and are holding on to so much of the rationalizations and justifications that they can't see straight YET...even if they HAVE recommitted to the relationship and gone to "NO CONTACT". They fear hurting you further, hurting their family further. They fear you are placing much more significance on each step forward than you should cause they legitimately and quite necessarily DON'T FEEL IT...YET. So they slap you down and retreat. They may even defend/insulate themselves from you by calling you NEEDY AND UNATTRACTIVE to get you to back off. Hence, the step backwards.

When you detach from the rollercoaster and allow him/her to proceed at his/her desired speed you can hopefully minimize the steps back. When YOU internalize and beleive yourself to be the obvious choice, acquire patience and the confidence that he/she would be a fool not to recomitt to you, then you become the confident, unpressing, spouse that swept them off their feet so many years ago. He/she can more easily recommit to the person they saw back at the beginnig of your relationship than they can to the devastated spouse they see before them now.

You are behooved to for the most part just let it go for now, OP's soon to be or IS out of the picture...this is just you and your spouse now. Try to date them (alone time without KIDS is KEY...family time is NOT as effective). Movie dates suck cause you can't talk but those are the kind of dates you want now. Consider loud restaurants, clubs and bars. Activity based dates where you are not seated facing each other forced to have that “serious talk”. But if they won't date you go out yourself and either have fun or feign fun. They will eventually get suspicious or feel the need to take a break themselves and hopefully follow along.

In conclusion, you only control you. The more you understand the dynamics of infidelity the more prepared you will be to anticipate it and combat it. Your spouse, as expected is behaving like an idiot right now and "idiocy" will likely be the forecast for some time. YOU must be the leader of your family and the leader of your marriage and despite the crap you are putting up with BE the best person you can be....simply, ACT, DON'T REACT.

Good luck,

Mr. Wondering
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Have you read the book "Surviving An Affair"?


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How old are all the parties and do you have any children with your H?

Admin assistants are a dime a dozen.

He won't replace her because he doesn't want to.

Are you self sufficient?

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How old are all the parties and do you have any children with your H?

Me- 33
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We have a 4 year old son.


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Admin assistants are a dime a dozen.

He won't replace her because he doesn't want to.

Oh, believe me, I know that! But why don't my husband's buisness partners want to either? They all say "it wouldn't be fair" to fire her. HA! And that's FAIR to ME????

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Are you self sufficient?

No. I am have been staring my own business, but it's slow going since I am primarily a stay at home Mom. I know that I COULD be self sufficient in a short amount of time, with a full time job in the field I was in before staying at home. But it would require moving from our small town to somewhere closer to the "Big City". I am sure I could fine something to do here too, but it would be much lower pay.

The biggest reason I am not sure what to do next is the enormity of the logistics. Do I stay and he goes? We just make ends meet now, how will we pay for 2 residences? I COULD go to my Mom's, but I REALLY don't want to. She's difficult to live with. What about my son and preschool? Plus I am the soccer coach - committed to 8 weeks of soccer. And on and on....

Thanks for taking the time to reply to me.


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First, you have been in plan A too long if the A is still on.

Well, I don't know if the A is still on or not. My gut had been telling me that it was, but I am not sure anymore due to the lack of phone calls. I know for certain that he sees her every day at work. As to how much is really going on... I just don't know. That makes me crazy. Either way, he has refused to go NC. That's why I can only assume it's still ON, even if it's buried right now. It will resurface...

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Have you read the book "Surviving An Affair"?

Yes.


The reason I am still trying to "Plan A" is because I have not really been following it to the letter, it's SO hard!! I have been doing much better lately, but still... I have done a pretty crappy job in the past some days...

I exposed only to a few people, but this seemed to push him towards the OW... our friends stopped interacting with him all together... "all he had left was her" whaaaaaa whaaaaa whaaaaaa!

As far as exposure... I did not tell his parents, my parents or my brother. My parents (mother) would never be able to forget if husband and I did work things out. My brother would be very hurt if he found out. Bro is much younger, and I fear he would be crushed, nor would he be able to forget. I am not sure. That's why I didn't tell him. Anyway... I didn't tell his parents either, but WH did tell HIS brother. I just fear telling his parents, because I KNOW they would support me, and WH may feel betrayed by that - eventhough they would stick by him.

I let OWH know what was going on, and OW told him it was over, and they separated. OWH told anyone and everyone who would listen. He even called OUR pastor - to see if his wife should be kicked out of the church! (he's a non-practicing Catholic and YES, OW has been attending our church... with the encouragement of my husband. She shows up much less now though)

Well, thatnks for the advice. I really appreciate the feedback, and the time you have taken to read my story and reply.


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OK, so I have some new information and REALLY need advice. WH supposedly "decided" to stay and work on our marriage last November. (But wouldn't agree to NC, so I took this "decision" with a huge cup full of salt) Through my continued snooping, I discovered a receipt dated 12/23 for DIAMOND EARRINGS paid for in CASH that I did NOT recieve. I was thinking that he could say that they were for me, but that he returned them because he was concerned about the money, etc. However... that argument is IMPOSSIBLE because I found it as a scan on the computer, in a file which was on a shared business computer. (Husband had left the VPN connection open at our house) The file was the OW's!!! Now, she could say her own husband bought them for her, HOWEVER, it was from a store in a mall that her husband wouldn't have gone to, and my husband just happened to shop at this Christmas. Through this same snooping I also discovered that the business partners, who were on a short business trip, were not back from that trip, and won't be back until the 23rd. I am being led to belive they are back and that my WH and his OW have not really been alone ALL DAY EVERY DAY this week and into next week.

SOOOOOOOO...........
Back last Christmas, I told my husband that if I discovered that he had bought her ANYTHING it would be devestating to me, and that my heart might not recover from yet another betrayal an lie from him. I have since then discovered 3 gifts he gave her. One thing was small, and the exact same thing we gave to the business partners. He never told me that he also bought one for her. Discovered the receipt, then discovered that the receipt was GONE. Confronted him, he confessed, saying that he wanted to tell me, but that before he got a chance to, I said what I did about a gift to her. He said his rationality was to purposely buy her the same gift, to show that she didn't mean anything more to him than the other two people. HA!!!! Then I discovered ANOTHER receipt - for Godiva Chocolate. (That one then disapeared too). Confronted him. HE said that I was wrong, he did no such thing, and that it was for me and his Mom (which was partly true- the reciept had 3 items on it though!) I pushed, and got no where. He continued denying. Then he said the 3rd item was for me for Valentine's day. RIGHT! He had so much forethought that he bought my Valentine's Day present at Christmas - in Christmas Godiva wrappings???? SURE!!! So THEN - he goes out and secretly buys more to replace the one he really gave to her, and gave it to me. Of course, I know better. I KNOW he gave it to her in the first place because of the recording from his car. I heard him discuss it with her.

That recording was the one that I mentioned in the earlier post. At the time I had no idea there was laso expensive diamond earrings.

Now that I know this, what do I do? Is it in the past? Do I let is go?? Is it still going on?? WHAT NOW!!!???!?!?!?!?!

Latest car recording found nothing. Will be recording the home phone Monday when I am out of the house.

I am thinking of enlisting the help of the business partners. I just can't be certain of their reaction to asking them for their help. They feel torn in this, I am sure. I don't know if I care. They might be able to confront the OW. They did before, and got a confession from her, but she knew that I knew back then.

WHAT SHOULD I DO??? I feel sick about this. He LIES and LIES and LIES! BUT, is he really trying? Maybe he's taking steps forward and then back again? I don't know what to think. I don't know what to do. Honestly, my feeling is devestation. HE LIED AGAIN!!!!!!!! He is keeping something from me RIGHT NOW!!!!!! I wanted diamond earrings from him for SO LONG- and he bought them FOR HER!!!!!!!!!!! It kills me. But I have no proof that there is a relationship CURRENTLY.

Thoughts from you guys?

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If you have been doing plan A since january, it has moved from being an oppotunity for effectively breaking up the affair to being an opportunity for him to walk all over you and eat cake as he does it.

You are enabling him to continue his affair.

You have not done a thorough exposure. You must expose to your families. What you are doing is certainly not working- it is time for a change.

Is your husband an equal partner or is he an employee?

Are the partners married? If so, you should call the wives and tell them exactly what is going on- I seriously doubt they will want their husbands working with someone who is chasing married men. They may have much more pull with their husbands on getting her out of there.

Why not set a date- say 2 weeks from now - when you will go into plan B.

Before you go to plan B, you need to finish exposure-
his family, your family, partner's wives.

You'll need to write a Plan B letter.

He needs to be the one to move out.

You'll need someone to act as a go- between as you will not be having any contact at all with him.

I doubt that if they are together everyday that the affair is over. Unless you like the way things are right now, you will need to approach this entirely different.

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This is the kind of situation where I find this website and the "plans" do much more HARM than good. Plan A for a year? negotiating NC? Let me tell you....and pardon my harshness....but you are where you are solely BY YOUR OWN CHOOSING.

When you decide to have respect for yourself and child, and stop enabling this affair, then maybe you can start to recover yourself....What you are doing here has NOTHING to do with "Plan A" or "PLan B" or anything resembling healthy behavior.


Some people just don't get it, they don't get it that they don't get it.

I had the right to remain silent.......but I didn't have the ability.
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This is the kind of situation where I find this website and the "plans" do much more HARM than good. Plan A for a year? negotiating NC? Let me tell you....and pardon my harshness....but you are where you are solely BY YOUR OWN CHOOSING.

When you decide to have respect for yourself and child, and stop enabling this affair, then maybe you can start to recover yourself....What you are doing here has NOTHING to do with "Plan A" or "PLan B" or anything resembling healthy behavior.

Although there may be some truth to what you say SourDude, its always easy to jump in and tell someone what they're doing wrong.

But you're not getting off that easy. So now how about some suggestions for her to get things right. You know, some "support" or pratical suggestions to help her get on the right track from off the dirt road you so elequently pointed out she's on.

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Really, lemonman, that was really UNhelpful. Who are you?

I understand Plan A to be a plan wherein you do your best to work on yourself, and begin to deposit love units again in the WS's "love bank", so that the WS will want to make the choice to return to the marriage on their own. It's not to FORCE them to do anything. I CANNOT force this man to leave her and return to me. What I CAN do, is state the bounderies required for ME to remainin this marriage - and of course, one of those is NO AFFARS and NC with a current OR former OP. IF he refuses to agree to my personal bounderies, I must go to Plan B, in order to preserve my self worth.

RIGHT??

My problem is that I have NO PROOF that the A is really still going on RIGHT NOW. I just found proof that it WAS last CHRISTMAS - before I had even started the so-called-Plan A. But right NOW... I have no proof AND, the improvement in out marriage is HUGE since then. SOOOOOOOOOOOOO......... Now what LemonMan????

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I wrote a bunch of stuff, my computer re-booted, and it’s gone. ACK.

MoveForeward,
Thank you for taking the time to read my posts. I can’t tell you how much it means to have support right now. None of my friends “get it”. I seem to be the front runner for all my friends. First to get married, first to have a child, and now the only one having gone through this. So thanks.


But I guess I haven’t done plan A properly.
I agree, it’s time for a change. Husband is a full partner, the partners are a married couple – to each other. They know about the affair, in fact uncovered it themselves 2 days after I did – completely by chance. I am going to talk to the wife partner, and enlist her help in looking for proof that the A is going on today. Don’t know if she will do it, but I am going to try.

I will tell my in-laws and my brother what is going on, but I still can’t tell my mother. She has a memory like a steel trap, and still holds things against him from 16 years ago. She does know that we have been having some “Problems” and that we have attempted MC, but that’s all. She has offered that my son and I could live with her if it ever became necessary. She is verry supportive in that respect.

Do I consider this exposure as the last step of my Plan A? Give it 2 weeks from the exposure to have it’s effect, and if still he won’t agree to NC, I move to Plan B?

I really fear that if the A is actually over, died a natural death, that moving to Plan B could be a huge mistake. Mabe not, since Plan B is really just standing my ground about NC. Do you think I even need to prove that the A is still going on? If it’s not, I am very afraid of his reaction to plan B. But maybe I am looking at it wrong.

I think my plan for implementing Plan B, if it becomes neccessary, is to go to my Mom’s for a week, to give him time to move his stuff. Then I go back home with my son. I really don’t know how we will PAY for him to live somewhere else. But I guess we will cross that bridge then.

I have someone ready to act as go-between.

My hesitancy is fear based, I’m sure. I don’t know if you can understand this, but I am a SAHM, have been with this man for 16 years – since I was 17. Maybe we shouldn’t have ever gotten married- I don’t know. But I do love him, and I know that he used to love me very much, and probably still does, if he would just wake up or come out of the fog! I cannot imagine my life without him. Trying to think through all of the details of a Plan B… I just have such a hard time. It’s not even that I fear for how I will “survive” – I know that I am strong, and that I would manage on my own just fine. It’s more that I REALLY don’t want to!!!! I want him to get his head out of his a$$ - you know???!!!!

Thank you for helping me have some clarity.

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suggestion here: find good child care for your son and tell your husband and his partners that you are the new executive assisitant. Beecause they have you, she can be discharged.

If your husband is a partner, I doubt they can fire him as they could fire her.

Do the partners realize they are leaving themselves wide open to a sexual harrassment suit by allowing this to continue? All she has to do is get mad at your husband and sue the company.

I think the more exposure you can do, the better.

hang in there

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HA! I have thought of that, and even mentioned it casually to WH - He even smiled at the idea. He didn't say anything, but did smile.

I made a signature...


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But I guess I did it wrong.

My stats...
Me - 33
WH - 36
DS - 4
Dday#1 6/18/05
Dday#2 9/15/15
Now?? Who knows...


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I am posting a very rough draft of the START of my Plan B Letter. Though I am wondering if I should give him this letter, as I am exposing to his parents, and tell him he has 1 week to make his decision - NC with her, or I will go to plan B. (not putting it exactly that way, of course)

I don't know. Well, any thought on how to approach his parents, and then what to tell WH after? He is going to wonder why I decided to tell them NOW. Things SEEM to be going well...

Here is the start of my letter...

I feel like your hand has yet again wrenched my heart from my body... held it in the air... crushed it in your fist and let it fall to the ground in a big red puddle.

I thought our marriage was getting back on track. I knew that we would both take some steps back in this rebuilding process, but those backward steps would be surely followed by even more steps forward- I accepted that. I knew that when either of us took those steps backward, the opportunity for more growth was also present. I knew that would be part of our recovery together.

What I didn't think would be part of our recovery were the diamond earrings you gave her for christmas. I saw the receipt. The date of their purchase, the location of the purchase, and that they were purchased with cash. I also saw an ATM withdrawl from your business account the very same day, for just over the amount of the purchase. I know you were at that mall on that day.

Remember that I told you the effect any Christmas gift to her would have on me? I looked past the coffee warmer; I went along with your explanation after the fact. I looked past all the Godiva Chocolate lies. I even looked past the New Year’s Eve recording of you saying how you wished you could feed her those chocolates. I believed you were generally trying to move forward and trying to recover our marriage, and that this conversation was just another one of those steps back I was expecting. I pushed back the pain, and I believed you when you said she rebuked you, and that nothing ever came of it.

But this is too much. This means so much more. It means more lies. More deceit. It means that you have had no regard for my feelings and the trust you have asked me to place in you. It means the affair was on strong at Christmas, and on New Years Eve, and that you probably did spend part of New Year’s Day alone together at XXX and XXX’s house. And it means that it probably still continues today.

Do I have proof that it is going on still today? No. But the diamond earrings prove that my suspicions were right back then. My gut was right. You were lying to me then. I tried to put my doubts out of my mind, but I know now that I was right to doubt. One of the big things I have learned from this experience is that my gut is right 100 % of the time. It has been so far. Yes, I could be wrong right now, but with a record of 100%…

You want to have your cake and eat it too. You cannot. I have expressed to you my fear that you are just waiting for our relationship to return to “normal” at which time you will feel free to resume your double life. That you want to maintain the appearance of a “wonderful marriage” and a “happy family”, while continuing to receive the thrill and the rush of an affair on the side. That your relationship with her is simply deep underground, and waiting to resurface. Now, I am even more convinced of that.

All along, since I first uncovered your affair last June, I have asked you to end all contact with her, completely and purposefully. All along you have said you will not. I have told you over and over again how that makes me feel, and over and over again you have chosen to protect her and that relationship over me and our marriage, our family. Everytime you make that choice, it’s a kick in the stomach. Each day of continued contact with her eats away at my soul. Each time you tell me that you won’t end your contact with her, I lose some of the love and trust that I have been struggling to regain with you. Each time I know you have lied to me, my love for you is lost even faster that it is being rebuilt. I love you so much, you mean everything to me. I cannot even imagine a life with out you at my side. I know I am strong, and that I would survive without you, but I don’t want to! You are the person I want to see every day for the rest of my life. You are the man who can make me feel stronger than I know I am. You are the man I want to share my soul with. I know I have been woefully inadequate at showing you this in the past. I hope that you can see how hard I have been working, and trying to show you this lately, and believe that it is true.

This new revelation though, threatens my love for you in a devestating way. All the love that has been rekindled is running out like it’s been placed in a sieve. I want to fight for our marriage, I want to fight for the love we once had, and to make our marriage even better than it ever was. I want you to fight along side of me. When both of our worlds were crashing down around us last summer, you told me you wanted that too. That you wanted our love back, not just the way it was before, but even better. I know that was your true heart speaking, and not a lie to smooth the choppy waters.


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You can not reason with a WS who is in the fog. Their attention span is limited. The letter is way too long.

Simply state that you are distancing yourself to preserve your love, outline visitation with your child, name the perosn who needs to be contaacted in case that changes and who whill do the handovers.

Next simply state what is needed for him to come back home- I would suggest 1. No contact - letter written and mailed after you see it. 2. Full screen of stds. 3. Her gone from the office. 4. A plan for recovery.

I know it is hard to write it without say8ing everything that is on your heart, but he won't understand it anyway.

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You are right... too long and not to the point enough. I did let his business partners know what I believed to be going on, and asked for their help. Have not heard back yet. (they knew about it in the beginning)

How do I drop this bomb on WH's parents? What do I tell my WH when he freaks out about it, and askes why I decided to tell his parents NOW???

Also, a book the MC counselor we were seeing (no longer) suggested says NOT to tell everyone, because the WS needs support as well, and the loss of support may serve to push them farther into the OP's arms. What do you think? The book is "Torn Asunder" by Dave Carder (I think thats his name). Husband has read that book, and remembers that part - probably the only part! HE was DEEP in the for at that time.

Thanks.


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Have you read Dr. Harley's books and the website?

He encourages exposure as one of the best means of busting up the affair.

How to tell his parents? I suggest you tell them that you are fighting for your marriage and that you need reinforcments-that he is in an affair and refuses to break contact with her- that you want them to weigh in in support of you and the marriage.

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do you have an update for us?

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Hey MoveForward,
Not really anything to report. I contacted my WH's business partners, the wife, actually. SHe called me on the way home from the airport. Said that he husband's DS is having major surgery today, but that she really wants to talk to me about this. She had gotten my email but due to traveling wanted to call me right away so I didn't wonder. I am cooling my heels until I talk with her some more. She can possibly find out through her own means if the A is still going on right now. If it is, it's in their house, and she certainly has more access to it than me!

And since it is just her, her husband, my WH, and the OW, in their business, I want all my ducks in a row before I do anything that might hurt THEM in the fall-out. Eventhough I'm pissed at her for not insisting that the OW GET OUT, hurting their business would ulitmately hurt me too, as it's our only source of income. I am not self sufficient, and our savings is very low from starting this friggin business in the first place.


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