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Sorry JS but your couple of days are up.

WHERE'S OUR UPDATE?


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Hey MyAlias,
Sorry, I’ve not been in the mood to post here, kinda putting it on the back burner to help concentrate on the new me and been spending my time reading about others here.

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Well despite the potential for you to ignore any advice I'll provide my opinion anyway.
You always do…lol
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While I think your heart is in the right place I don't see your words having any impact on your W. Or have you seen signs that her R with OM is wavering?
No signs yet.
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I get the impression she's more than happy to move on with Frank. I get the impression she thinks he's a good man. That he's fun and RIGHT for her. So what part of your words to do you think are really going to make a difference for her in this email? What part of it do you think is going to shake her to her core that will make her change her mind?
Sorry…I had a week moment there…..I’m better now…lol
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I guess I see this as one last, desparate attempt to try to sway her back to the R. You did say some nice things but you also tried to convince her that the R was good at some point. I think she's rewritten history and doesn't believe it was ever good. And if it was never good then what would lead her to believe a "new" R could be good? Do you see what I'm saying?
Yeah…I here ya <smile>
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I think if she were having doubts this letter (reworded a little) might make some small dent or create further doubt for her. But right now I haven't seen evidence to that. So this email is only going to come off looking like you are needy, desparate, frantic and falling apart. None of those are attractive. She needs to see a compassionate, confident, kind, fun person. Those are attractive and those things will show her you are worthy of a 2nd chance.
Very true here Mya…….I don’t call her and won’t be seeing her as much anymore but when I do I’m always busy doing something fun and never down or sad.
Her lawyer has been a “snake” but I never mention anything to her about it.
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I also wonder if this email won't inhibit any kind of Plan B you may be considering later on. How's it going to look if one day you say "Please just give it one more shot" and then the next day you seem to cut her out of your life? I think it will look like you are acting out of spite and anger.
Good point……..Your mind is working just a tick better than mine…., btw, I’m very glad you responded to me this way…
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I think you need to stay the course. Use the children as a mechanism for continued contact. But keep the contact minimal. Be pleasant but keep it short with her. Your only hope is that the affair will have turmoil at some point. Hopefully spending time with the kids with her present creates issues for her and loser-boy Frankie. Or hopefully his loser-boy ways will become an issue for her. Maybe he'll do something really lame (like he has in the past) and that will be an eye-opener for her.
Still waiting on this part although I’m not sure how much longer I can wait. Ya know?
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When it appears there is a ripple in the affair waters be the consistant, confident, compassionate, pleasant and happy man. She needs to see the new you. There is a new you ... right? In my opinion that will be the catalyst that brings your W back to you. Not some desparate "Please, give us one more chance" letter. I think that may actually be counter-productive and ruin any chance you may have. Again JHMO.
Great post here J. and yes there is a new me……I’m the handsome one that all the single ladies are now chasing after……..JUST KIDDING….but seriously, I’m not.
I do have one that is very interested in me right now but she knows of my goals with ww and respects that.
JS being very careful here……..very careful!!!

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Again you do what you feel you have to do but please consider what you really want and be smart about how you're going to achieve that. So far much of what you've done hasn't worked. But I believe that is because you've been too accomodating and she's taken advantage of your good nature. She needs to feel the reprocussions of her actions. She needs to know that leaving you means she doesn't get to have you and all the good that is you. She needs to know that you've changed and are a confident, compassionate, fun man who let go of any bad control issues he may have had.
I’m really starting to “see the fog” in her because, now, I’ve begun to settled my emotions a little and it’s a lot easier to see where our relationship was and her issues about “my control” are bull**it.
As the wise Noodle told me before, she had to come up with a reason to leave this marriage and that was all she could come up with…..The truth is she controlled me more than I controlled her. We never fought, I never went out with the boys, I don’t hunt or fish or run around without her and the kids……The only thing I did was get to complacent.
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PS: This letter could be construed as controlling. Some of the words make it sound like you are trying to let her know where her thinking is flawed. If you don't believe me let me know and I'll point them out from the perspective of a wayward person who is in withdrawal from you and all your controlling ways. Remember that's who you're communicating with. Not your W but an alien who has taken over her mind.
Truth is, I’m glad you noted this to me because now I can see what you mean…..didn’t notice it when I was writing it but to a ww, that’s exactly how she would have seen it.
Another reason why I waited so long before I decided if I was going to send it was because I wanted to see how I felt after a couple of days.
Sometime my emotions run around in circles and I have sent her things in the past that I later looked at and wished I hadn’t sent it.

Now, “I’m still”………..and starting to "get it" and my feet are getting more and more "planted everyday"
YOU know what I talking about!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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Now, “I’m still”………..and starting to "get it" and my feet are getting more and more "planted everyday"
YOU know what I talking about!!!


Sooooo good to hear JS.

Thanks for the update. I like what I'm hearing.

As far as the waiting. Well don't think of it as waiting. After all you aren't really waiting but rather making sure you are RIGHT with yourself and the breakup before you move on to the next phase of your life. Your mind will tell you when you're ready to let go. So it isn't so much "you waiting for her" but rather "you waiting for you" ... does that make sense? Seeing what I just read from you I believe it would make sense for ya.

You have a good one alright?


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As far as the waiting. Well don't think of it as waiting. After all you aren't really waiting but rather making sure you are RIGHT with yourself and the breakup before you move on to the next phase of your life. Your mind will tell you when you're ready to let go. So it isn't so much "you waiting for her" but rather "you waiting for you" ... does that make sense? Seeing what I just read from you I believe it would make sense for ya.

Makes perfect sense Mya

Thanks


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Little update.....
Had a mediation session today, ww, JS, and mediator.
ww still wants full custody, says she can't trust me to help her make decisions about the kids because I have to much resentment for her having another man in her life.

Mediator didn't see it that way, she wants us to share custody.
Mediator asked ww why she didn't want shared, ww stammered and stuttered and really didn't have a GOOD reason.
ww didn't say anything bad about me and we got along just fine.
Talked alone to mediator and she asked why I was so calm and not mad or anything.
I told her about Marriage Builders and "the plan".
She had never heard about this but quickly wrote down the website address.
She said "that sounds really really interesting and looks as if it works quite well".
ww actually cried while talking about our kids and cried again when she talked about why she couldn't trust me.
We have to go back next Monday for another hour and a half session.
I'm not sure if I want her to settle for shared custody or try to hold firm on full custody.
If she agrees to shared custody then everything (in my book) will be just fine and if she holds firm on full custody then we battle in court and based on her past actions, she will lose and I may get full custody or at least shared custody.
My lawyer told me to hold firm on shared custody and if the mediator suggests I agree with ww (which she knows I won't) then I should tell mediator that if it comes down to one or the other getting full custody then it should be me.

I have plenty of reasons why I should get full custody, ww has no good reasons.
Thanks to all of you and Marriage Builders, I still come out of this smelling like a rose.
i.e.: I'm the good guy, she’s the bad guy. I think this shows me as a solid plan A'er.

Ok, now for me...how am I doing you ask?
I'm doing great!...........but..........and there’s always a "but" huh?
I'm not sure I want to continue on this course of getting ww back.
I honestly have done a lot of soul searching lately and I just can't picture ww ever being happy or content.....not now at least.
I think, in, say a couple of years she may have regrets about this and then again maybe not.
Not sure I care any more.
Does this make me a bad person?
I've just resolved myself to thinking that I'll be fine no matter what.
I've reconnected with a close high school friend and he's been through this and is still fighting to get custody of his son and has been for years now.
He's remarried now and very happy. He wants us to start hanging out again.
I'm so ready for some new friends and he has been a great one over the years.
I've wanted to get together with him and his wife but I never thought ww would be interested in going over there or doing things with them.
Now I don't have to worry about weather she'll be comfortable or not...The kids and I can just go whenever we want to.
It feels good to know that I have a future without ww.
During these last few weeks I've noticed that when I'm doing something with the kids or other couples that I no longer wonder what it would be like to have ww with us.
I have thought about this a lot lately and whenever I think what would ww be doing right now if she were with us I realize that she never had fun with us before and probably wouldn’t have fun in the future.
She wants to have fun with her new friends and I love to have fun with the kids.
I’m not giving up on me…………….but I think I’m ready to give up the fight for the ww.
Any thoughts on this?

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Sounds like you are detaching...that's a good thing.

Now just have to continue the plan whether you feel compelled by desire to reconcile or not.

The WS is an unattractive creature..it isn't suprising that your cup doesn't exactly runneth over at the thought of trying to work around it for the rest of your life...and you aren't getting your ENs met by her [Notice how important that is in regard to your feelings...feelings are so easily manipoulated aren't they?].

Yet it is also often a temprary condition.

The best case scenario for everyone is a true recovery...your wife not WS returns.

If that isn't possible at least a workable system is in place to buffer the damage.

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Thank you Noodle for stopping by....good to here from you again.
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The WS is an unattractive creature..it isn't suprising that your cup doesn't exactly runneth over at the thought of trying to work around it for the rest of your life...and you aren't getting your ENs met by her [Notice how important that is in regard to your feelings...feelings are so easily manipoulated aren't they?].

I realize how important emotional needs are. I don't miss her much and I'm really not even mad at her anymore.
I think most of my attraction to her was through the kids and not wanting to see them hurt.
She has been so much better and making much better choices around the kids.
She does things with them and seems to be taking a more active roll in there lives now.
This is what I've wanted for a long time now.

I'm going to fight like ****** if we can't agree on shared custody.
I can win too, I have so much documentation of dates and other things she has done. My lawyer keeps laughing at all of the documentation that I have.
I told him if it comes down to her or I getting full custody then I refuse to lose.
His reply "don't worry...you won't."


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Right on ...

Good to see you dusted off your dignity..how does it fit?

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Just like you have been telling me......I have to say this.
I sit here and read here all day long and I want to shake some of these people that don't listen to the advice given here.
Then I laugh my but off because I didn't listen either.
You (and others) were probably yelling at me through your screens saying "DONT BE SCARED>>>JUST DO IT>>>PLEASE. Trouble is I have'nt found the right words to say to the new posters that would help make them believe what there being told is RIGHT ON!!!. well most of the time anyway.

I'll update after next Mondays mediation.

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Oh yeah....and one more thing.
(((((((((Noodle))))))))


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Glad to hear that you're doing well. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Welcome to this new stage of Personnel recovery. It brings with it a great deal of relief doesn't it. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Stay Strong for those kids!


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WTF,
Your awsome and you've helped me so much.

All the kind people here and all the great advice has been a god send!

This is by far the best place to be when your put in this awful situation.
My heart goes out to all the new posters coming in everyday and hearing there desperate plee's for help.

Makes you just want to go give them a hug and reassure them that they will get through this.

Reading the long stories here helps to. Seeing where people started out and where they end up after being here for a while gives us hope.
They all become so much stronger in the end no matter what happens with there ws.

Thanks Marriage Builders, I started out in emotional needs way back in April of 2006 and at that time I thought I had a w, then after she left I found out she was ww.
I just couldn't see where she had gone ww. She was very good at keeping her other life a secret.

Of course, now, after reading here for the past 6 or 7 months, I can see where being ww is the norm.
Crazy how "textbook" all of this stuff ends up being.

I like the mother of my children and wish her well in her future, although I must say her future doesn't look very bright at this point.

I will continue to do everything in my power to see to it that my kids grow up happy and healthy and it's very rewarding to look back at this time and realize that I did everything I could.

I never spoke bad about ww and reminded my kids that she loved them even when she wasn't acting like it.

I believe that they will forever respect me in how I handled this tough time.
They have seen me cry, they see me connecting with them more than ever, they see me doing things for them that they probably didn't know I was capable of. (ww was a sahm for 10 years).

My house is always clean, I cook good meals for them, I have always been a loving person with my kids....hugs kisses etc.
I've even got my S12 saying I love you when he leaves to go out.
He always hated hugs and kisses (12 year boy thing) but now he always hugs me and when he leaves and I say "I love you" he now says it back every time.

I'm more involved with there schools, there teachers all know me anywhere we go.
I get out more and do more things with them.

I'll continue to be here reading and willing to share my experience with anyone if it's needed.
My future looks so bright right now and I will continue to "be still" in everything I do.



Thank You all again <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
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Oh, Jeff, That last post brought tears to my eyes. Just thinking about how your 12 year old son reaches out to you for XOX's and ILY's got me good.

You are a great guy.

~ Marsh

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((((((((((Marsh))))))))))
I'm glad to here I touched somebody here...LOL

I'm also happy that you had tears of joy as apposed to tears of sorrow.

I've been following several posts here and your words to others have been quite an inspiration to me too.

Thank you so much for being here. You have been a BIG help.

You are a very valued poster here and I hope to see you around here for a long time.
I'm not going anywhere.....I learn new stuff here everyday.

Good Luck Marshmallow.........I love that name, btw.

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