Found this on Yahoo's news: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060903/ap_on_re_mi_ea/palestinians_strike


Of course there is more to this story. Setting all political opinions aside, what does this sound like to you?

I am posting this and will give my opinion later after the fuming has subsided a bit. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

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Sounds to me like a pile of [email]cr@p..[/email] I feel sorry for the child... it is heart breaking to see this happen. What it sounds like to me... and unless things have changed since I handled a weapon everyday.. is that the laws of physics do not apply in Palestine! Shooting into the air would not result in the shooting of a 12 year old in the abdomen. Couldn't happen! And the scum bags that were shooting in the first place have no regard for life and should be shot themselves!
It sounds like a white wash by the media over there. Blame the Fatah faction since they no longer have the power in the PLO.
I am just so tired of this crap with Arab countries. As much as I am a peaceful person in most aspects of my life... I am beginning to wonder if it is not time to just start exterminating these extremist groups... yes, exterminate. When a radical muslim group threatens American's to denounce their religion or die... it is time for us to wake up and smell the stink coming out of that part of the world.
And anyone that continues to cast blame on Israel for these things needs to wake up to the reality of what that country faces every day. Imagine for a moment that it was one of the nut job regimes in that area that had 200 nuclear weapons. Do you really think Israel would still be on the map... not a chance. Yet Israel has exercised restraint in a region even though they are surrounded on all sides by countries that wish to see her destroyed.

A question was asked about land... there may be a dispute as to certain portions of land between Israel and Palestine... but it is a dispute. Both countries have claims to the land that have merit..


Poor child... it is hard to live in that region where life has so little meaning.



I don't see devout Muslims here... I see people with NO values...scum of the Earth. People that value God... Muslim, Jew or Christian do not act in this way. They value hate and wrap it up in religion... but it is still hate.

I posted this NOT to talk about political or religious issues. My point is that gunman were allowed to face a crowd of people and SHOOT in the air, resulting in a victim being injured. Even if a victim wasn't injured, it it still wrong.

Add to that, the child's own family is NOT pressing charges because...... they believe it was unintentional? How could that be if the militant had a GUN? Was he carrying it for show and if so, why were their bullets in it? More babble and people being hurt.

Then again comes the next question......why does the country allow people who do NOT know how to use weapons to even carry them, much less carry them WITH bullets?

Ok....last question....if that government can't pay it's teachers because they are not getting enough aide....so does that mean they can't pay for their own? They depend on other countries to pay their bills for them? Hm..... just wondering.

Bottom line.....there's a lot wrong here. Looks like the mothership has added militants and stupid policy makers to her group. This could happen in any land and it would still be stupid and hurtful. So I hope those from that area don't get their pants all tied up and think this is against the ones who are trying to do what is right. What it is, is about showing how inept groups of people can be and how we can learn from this type of news.

All the while causing innocent children and others suffer while stupid people babble and do stupid stunts.

Btw, even if CNN or other news bureaus might have skewed the story, if a child was really shot due to some idiot gunman really allowed to roam the streets and the family is really dumb enough to say 'its ok because it was an unitentional incident', then that in itself is enough to get riled up about.

Remember this isn't about politics or religion....it's about stupid people doing stupid things and hurting innocent victims. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

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piojotos,

My point was to post the story to show that life is taken lightly in many places. This one just happen to originate from that part of the world.

I don't care where it happens, it is an outrage.

I feel badly for all the good and innocent people there. My opinion is that those good and innocent people should be just as outraged. Are they? If so, what are they doing about it?

Then the question is why are those militants allowed to carry weapons???? Yea... I know there's a conflict but it is still wrong to allow someone who doesn't know how to use a weapon to carry one no matter where they are.

Remember this isn't political or religious statement, that would be a whole 'nother subject..... it's just about people doing stupid things.

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Orchid, I understand what you're saying but the first thing that came into my mind was the way children are ill-treated, abused and, yes, killed in our very own countries, sometimes, in fact quite often, by their own parents.

Man's inhumanity to man has long ceased to surprise me.

Why people are allowed to do different things in different countries is just the way of the world. In NZ, the Police are unarmed, the population is unarmed - it is illegal for anyone to carry or own firearms unless the guns are fully licenced and used for hunting. We don't have the right to carry arms written into a constitution as you do.

Most people from this part of the world find the most frightening thing about America is the fact that the ordinary Joe Blow in the street or in a car may be armed. When we go to countries where we see anyone who is conspicuously armed we get an acute attack of the jitters.

I think we are making a lot of generalizations about a lot of things -- for example, what Palestinians' religious beliefs are, how much they value life, and who they consider a martyr.

Different Palestinians think different things -- as anywhere else on the earth.

Did anyone think that maybe the parents are under a lot of pressure not to press charges? That there could be repercussions to protesting? That maybe medical costs are being taken care of quietly, so that legal charges are not necessary, as they would be in the litigious U.S.? That maybe when a microphone is stuck in their faces they will say one thing, then do another?

I don't pretend to know -- but I have been to the West Bank, and to Nablus.

I have seen firsthand the incredible poverty and hopelessness that these people live in.

When a 12-year-old middle-class Palestinian girl, who would normally go on to be a doctor or lawyer, sees no better option for her future than strapping explosives to her back -- then something is wrong with the whole political setup.

Are the Palestinian universities still closed? They were for years. I knew a blind Palestinian man with a PhD who had the equipment he needed for getting around taken apart and confiscated at the airport.

The people who are protesting these conditions with their lives -- and, alas, the lives of others -- don't get automatic censure where no other avenue of hope is provided.

But again, to say that Palestinians think this or Palestinians think that is to misrepresent the mosaic of opinions in any society.

And the Palestinians love their children just as much as other people do.

Not throwing a conspiracy out there when you do just that. Please Pio... your words are no more than that, words. You have been snookered by your friend... and come across as an anti semetic when you throw out conspiracy crap like that.

These scum bags are nothing more than trash that needs to be taken out. No different than the street corner thugs in our country... just trash that do not value human life.

Media coup... keep talking that trash... it detracts from attention to those that want to kill anyone that doesn't believe as they do. hmmm... last time I heard the Jews making a threat to kill any non Jew was... hmmmm... never. So, an innocent child is dead.. his family can hold on to some BS about how he is a martyr and will be rewarded with virgins and all that crap... but an innocent child is dead... there, here and every where else. That's the point. ANY Muslim, Christian, Jew...etc... that raises a hand against another of Gods creations in his name will one day be met with a swift and just punishment for their deeds. I only hope that punishment is given here on this globe before any more damage is done.

And tell me Pio...are there any other religious leaders out there that threaten and actually kill people for publishing a cartoon???? Ooops, I guess that was a CNN issue too.

I worked at Ground Zero Pio... I saw first hand what these nuts can do... that was not on CNN... that was in my eyes and my nostrils... and always will be.

I have frequently heard Israelis speaking this way.



The excerpt does not say the child is dead, but injured.



His parents said nothing of the sort. Do you see all the assumptions you are making?

really... frequently... site the source where you have seen an Israeli advocating killing a non Jew just because they are a non Jew. Back that up please. It should be easy since there are "frequent" references.

Many of my friends are Israelis. I have heard them speaking this way. I will not give you their names, if that is what you are asking. They are in no way exceptional.

So, very interesting... you have friends that advocate the killing of non Jews. Very ineteresting friends you have there... says a lot about you.
Now wait, was that an assumption on my part or a sound interpretation of your words.
I have a lot of Jewish friends (some born here, some in Israel) too... and I have never heard anything like that. Interesting.

Calm down. You are getting overheated.

Now you are making judgments about me. Can you see how you fly off the handle?

This is exactly what happens in the Middle East.

You are the war.

I am calm... very calm... your words define you... your friends, by your own admission... friends that advocate killing... define you.

Pio... no, I don't advocate a military solution. I wish all people... not governments could agree on what is just and right... but there comes a point where enough is enough. As far as your rants about my views... it is obvious you are an anti semite Pio...spoken or not, your words ring that bell quite loudly.



Justified, yes... sad beyond measure... yes. When the scum hide in neighborhoods and fight a war from places where civilians are... collateral casualities are to be expected.


Goodnight "gentlemen."