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Hmmm, last night BH admitted he's using me for sex "right now," that he doesnt' want a divorce, he wants to be married, and when he "stops being angry" he'll stop using me for sex and we will be loving in that way again.
But how will I feel when he is done being angry? Right now I wish I could plan B him.
It's funny. We do lots of things together, have "date night," etc....
but this sex thing is eroding my love bank in a seriously bad way. No matter what I did, I do not deserve this. He would argue that he didnt' deserve what I did. So I guess to him, 2 wrongs make a right.
Sigh....aren't you glad you asked, M2L? Yes I am glad I asked. Your H still wants to do things with you - date nights. Now what if you said "MR R, I know what it did in the past was wrong and can't be changed, but what you are doiong today and everyday is wrong also and can be changed starting today. I deserve better and you deserve better." Just an idea. Poin out to him that he is acking no better than you did in the past. M2L
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ME BH 36 - FWW 33 2 kids DDAY May 06
Sometimes waywards can be like Laxatives ..... They irritate the crap out of you.
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HI everyone-
Kayla- I have taken your advice- some of it for right now- and had a long talk with Rob about SF. It has helped!! I knew it would, but there was this little bit of doubt...
BUT now I have a different problem, seems pretty serious-
Rob is in a serious, serious downward depression. He is actually going to the doctor this week. He is totally against AD's, so his going to the doctor (his own idea, too), shows just how serious it is. He is open to AD's, seemingly. I asked him if it was me, if me leaving would be helpful, and he said NO- my EA was "in the mix" but that would still leave all his other problems- his realtionship with his other children, primarily, and his feelings of not living up to what other men in our church do. He feels like becasue he doesnt' get the warm fuzzies reading the scriptures he is worse off. He's not super fond of the new congregation we moved to, though he is so judgmental I believe (though I don't say it to him) that it's his own doing. He is not a warm and friendly guy. In fact, he has NO close friends.
I just want to scream at him that I CANNOT keep shouldering the whole burden of our family by myself. That I need him to share it or I will go crazy. I am ALL of the finances, practically- he's even said that he doesnt care if he loses his job, which provides all our health insurance, along with other perks- he HATES his job. I have always told him he can find another job, but HE wants to keep it until he turns 55 and can retire with the free flying benefit. So it's not like I"M keeping him there.
I of course can't say anything like this to him, I need to support him and trust that the Lord will take care of me.
It's nice to vent here.
Any ideas on how I can help him??
Me FWW 36
BH 50
D-day 1 2/18/06
D-day 2 3/28/06 (same EA)
NC 3/28/06 and going strong
7 total children
Mine/ours live with us
DS 15
DD 12
DD 21 months
"With all it's shams, lies, and broken dreams, life is still wonderful. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy."
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MrsR,
Thinking of you. How is it going????
M2L
ME BH 36 - FWW 33 2 kids DDAY May 06
Sometimes waywards can be like Laxatives ..... They irritate the crap out of you.
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I am just venting here.
BH says he wants to stay married, then a few days ago he said that if he were my friend he'd advise me to get divorced. I said, "even in the context of our religious beliefs?" He said no. I asked, "then why would you tell me that?" He said, "I just think you'd be happier." I said, "That does not matter, we are where we are. I'd rather try to be happier with you."
Then we're okay for a few days. Then the kids (older 2) had to travel out to visit their dad for the holidays. BH had to get up very early, thus leading to no SF on Monday night. Then last night, I was EXHAUSTED! Completely. Almost fell asleep on the way home from work. Nevertheless, after an exhaustive search for his glasses (he NEVER helps me find (rarley) something- I should be more responsible...) he wanted to go to the grocery store. So we went. I then went to sleep.
Then the baby got up about 45 minutes earlier than normal this morning- and BH got mad at me for leaving for work 15 minutes early, because "you said you couldnt' really do anything if you got there early." This was after a discussion about me going in at 7 am!! Instead of being there 15 minutes early.
THEN he got mad at me for NOT DOING ANYTHING AROUND THE HOUSE! Keep in mind, I work full time, as does he, but he has not been to work for more than a couple of hours in WEEKS! He used to cook, but doesnt' do that anymore. He sits around all day and feel sorry for himself. He did go to the doctor, who told him to eat better and exercise. BH told him he didn't want "chemicals." Not doing much of that.
And he gets mad if I dont use my elliptical machine we bought with $$ that came from being able to claim MY son on some previous tax returns. This from a man who has zillions of cookbooks he doesnt use, many other things that are just sitting around and that he has not used once (the $500 ladder he HAD to have to put up Christmas lights- he did those standing on a chair!)
I am fed up and frustrated. I am being LB'd all over the place, and frankly my love bank is so far in the red I dont' know if I can recover. I will stay married, but I guess I'm just doomed to be unhappy. The funny thing is that when he thought he may have to fly with the kids, he said to me, "If I die in a plane crash, do you promise to never remarry or even date again? And NO SF with anyone else?" He said he'd do the same for me....I dont' get him.
He did say that he should "talk to someone so I can get it all out and forgive you for once and for all." I suggested our bishop at church, but he said he didnt' want my "reputation tarnished." I said, since this is somehting I already went through a formal repentance process for, I was fine with him telling the bishop, that I'd even go and tell him myself.
I'm tired of crying. I have never cried so much in my life.
I think I need to just suck it up and take Kayla's very good advice and go tell the bishop myself.
I'm tired of having a crappy marriage.I'm tired of all of this!
Me FWW 36
BH 50
D-day 1 2/18/06
D-day 2 3/28/06 (same EA)
NC 3/28/06 and going strong
7 total children
Mine/ours live with us
DS 15
DD 12
DD 21 months
"With all it's shams, lies, and broken dreams, life is still wonderful. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy."
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Sounds like he wants to talk to someone but is afraid/embarassed to do it.
BH (me): 35
FWW: 34
Married 13 years
3 children, S9,S7,D4
3 DDays: EA June 05, EA May 06, PA Nov 06,
NC 14 months, recovering
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Mrs Rob,
If you change nothing, nothing changes.
I really suggest you read this thread over again from the beginning.
This spiral will get worse unless you do something about it.
Blessings.
Me: 56 (FBS) Wife: 55 (FWW) D-Day August 2005 Married 11/1982 3 Sons 27,25,23 Empty Nesters. Fully Recovered.
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Big K- you are right. But I just dont' know what to do. I guess that's a lie, I know what to do, but I am not sure HOW. I've failed at changing, or changed and had it not "stick."
And I'm really stuck- in a bad way- on what my BH needs to change. Or rather, what I think he needs to change.
I know in my head and heart that it's me that I can change, not him, and it's a huge DJ to think that he should change. I know it's not a "well, I'll change if HE'LL change..." That I just need to change for the better.
But everytime I do I get sidetracked by his DJ's to me- and I buy into them and they just pounce on my self esteem and I just then think, "oh well, failed again. What did I expect?" <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
I need to just ignore him- in a good way, I mean, ignore his DJ's, since he doesn't see them that way- and do what I need to do. And if he doesnt' change, oh well, I will have and in that journey what he does ultimately wont' matter. I will be strong enough to handle whatever comes at me. If I make changes that actually STICK, I will have power within me that I do not have now.
I've been reading Lil Sis's thread, and she said something about plan A not being intuitive- and that is how I feel. I guess I need to plan A MYSELF- and either put up or shut up.
I'm not really one to shut up. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
I feel like one of those girls in the horror flicks- I KNOW not to open the door becasue the guy with the chainsaw is going to cut me up in little pieces if I do- but I cannot HELP it. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> I open the door to self doubt and personal DJ's and cut myself up into little pieces.
The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />
I'm pissed off that this all takes major ACTION. But that doesnt' change the fact that that's the TRUTH.
Me FWW 36
BH 50
D-day 1 2/18/06
D-day 2 3/28/06 (same EA)
NC 3/28/06 and going strong
7 total children
Mine/ours live with us
DS 15
DD 12
DD 21 months
"With all it's shams, lies, and broken dreams, life is still wonderful. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy."
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Mrs Rob - have you read Chapmans book about the Love Languages - same stuff as Harleys EN's but packaged differently. Has some good stuff about how to get a reluctant spouse to engage. But I have been worried about the abuse and disrespect you endure for some time. If he will not treat you with respect I would question why you would stay in your marriage. You truely deserve better.
Me: 56 (FBS) Wife: 55 (FWW) D-Day August 2005 Married 11/1982 3 Sons 27,25,23 Empty Nesters. Fully Recovered.
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Mrs. Rob, I think that this article by Dr. Harley fits your situation. Coping with Infidelity: Part 4 Overcoming Resentment Using resentment as a way to control and punish a spouse I'm convinced that what's kept the resentment of S.R.'s husband alive for so many years is that he has found it to be an effective way to control and punish her whenever she doesn't do what he wants. Whenever they have a fight, he brings it up, and it causes her such guilt that it gives him a decided advantage in winning the argument. By this time, I don't believe that her affair is the problem that she thinks it is. Instead, it is an issue that her husband is using to get the upper hand in his relationship with her. It probably shows up the most whenever she has been reluctant to have sex with him. It throws her off balance whenever he mentions it, and makes her feel guilty, wanting to make it up to him somehow. He may also bring it up whenever she is winning in a power struggle he is having with her. What she describes to me in her letter is abuse, pure and simple. There is no excuse for the way her husband keeps bringing up her moment of weakness she experienced years ago. He is disrespectful and abusive. I suggest that she look him right in the eye and say to him, "Listen Buster, do you love me? Do you want me to love you? Do you want to spend the rest of your life with me? If the answers to any of those questions is 'yes' you sure are going about it the wrong way. You are not doing things that I admire, you're doing things that I find disgusting!" What if he says, "Fine, then lets just get a divorce and end it all." To that I would say, "It's up to you. I married you for life, but if you want a divorce, it's your call. If you want to be in a love relationship with me, however, you're going to have to treat me much better than you have been treating me. You must never again bring up my affair, and if you are upset with me, you will have to treat me with respect until we can solve the problem. If you are upset with our sexual relationship, I want us to discuss it as adults and solve it with mutual respect. I refuse to be treated like this, especially by the man I love." My advice to her husband is to never mention her affair again. It's a good example of one of the enemies of good conversation, dwelling on past mistakes. Whenever you keep bringing up your spouses past mistakes, you not only make your conversations incredibly unpleasant, but it cannot possibly lead to a resolution of a conflict you may be discussing. And as soon as his resentment doesn't pay him any dividends -- no longer helps him get his way -- he will find that it hardly ever occurs to him. Hanging on to an unpleasant thought because it helps us somehow is what psychologists call "secondary gain." It means that even though the thought is unpleasant, it gets you something you need, so your mind keeps it around for its usefulness. There are many unpleasant thoughts that have this characteristic, and I have helped many people let them go by helping them destroy the usefulness of the thought. Making sure that S.K.'s husband never gets what he wants by bringing up her affair will help him overcome his resentment. www.marriagebuilders.com/...62_qa.html
"Your actions are so loud that I can't hear a word you're saying!"
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