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My wife, a Christian, whom I married for 2 years Christian fell in love with a brother in Christ who just came to our church for less than 3 months. There romantic relationship started less than 2 months ago and peaked very fast where my wife has that strong emotional tie to him. I suspected something was going on but my wife insisted it was just close friendship. It came to a point where I realize it was not just friendship and I went into her email account and found out that she has fallen in love with that guy. I confronted her and she still denies it. Ever since then, our relationship has been going downhill. The guy sort of stepped aside saying that it was just a close friendship. But my wife is still lingering on the times she has with the guy. So I decided that I will talk to the guy myself which I did. My wife was furious. She said now she only has hostility towards me. She tells me that she don't love me and the reason why she is with me now is because of God. She cannot respond to my love towards her now.

I know I have not been meeting her needs for the past 2 years. The hurt she has been carrying must be very great. And just in the right time a person stepped in a provided her with those needs. We are now still living in the same house but separate room. We don't talk and we don't do anything together. Worst than roommates. I am hanging in there and that I don't know if my wife will eventually leave me because she feel trapped. Please give me some advice as to what I should do beside hanging in there.

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I copied this from your other thread...


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Thanks for the encouragement!

I logically know what I am doing is good for them but my wife is coming back to get me all the time. After I talk to the OM, he said he will not contact my wife. But the problem is that they are in the same ministries. And obviously my wife is refusing to seek any help or go to another church. We don't want to make this a event that alarm the whole church. The OM is a youngster who just started bible school and he is still attending our church because he see no problem. According to him, it was just friendship. And now that the EA is exposed, he just want no part of it. Certainly there has been some exchange love 'unnoticably' between them.



Who have you exposed to? The leaders in the church need to know so they can fire this guy. Don't be so sure it was just a EA...it may have been a PA as well.

Your WW and he can NEVER have any further contact again.

NEVER.


First make sure the A is over!

Then make sure NC is established, and then you can work on your marriage.

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Time to talk to the pastor. Immediately! He wont spread it around...but he needs to know what is going on so he can effectively take care of this situation.

Is this guy married? If so, tell his wife.

Have you exposed this to your wife's family?

Got to get it out in the open, my man. But, you need the church to take charge here. As Scripture says, there is a process for them to go through, in order to help her back to where she should be. The fact that she is in a ministry and going to church there...while carrying on adultery (assume the worst!), is hypociritcal at best and is a slap in Jesus' face at worse.

You must take this to the pastor. Anything short of that, will disobedience by you.

Now, dotn read into all of this "Well, since you did this, there is no way I will ever love you again>" That is bunk!It is what all WSs say. Dont take too much of what she says literally. She is addicted and in the Fog. She has no idea what reality is right now.

So, read up on here. Ask questions. But first and foremost...get to the pastor TODAY!


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I told the Pastor already but what should he do? We are a young church. We have no experience in these issues. The other dilenma is that I don't want everyone to know. That will hurt my wife a lot. I told her family too. And she is in a stage where her emotions are above everything. What should I do? Should I still give her stuff and write notes to her? Or should I just stay quiet and not do anything?

The guy is not married and he is a youngster who just started bible school. Obviously he is still involved in other ministries in our church. It is not possible to just remove him becasue that would just be too obvious.

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Oh to the contrary. This is a sore spot for me...... If I were the pastor of this church the affair would end TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If it didn't end the both of them need to exit the church NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the problem with this world we are living in, no one will stand in the gap and do the right thing without worring about the consequences. I would tell them how it was going to be in OUR church (living God's word and practicing it!!!) or they could remove themselves. If asked why they quit coming I would tell everyone the truth.

You pastor needs to not worry about being politically correct and instead addressing the sin within your church.

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Right on H&P.

This A must be dealt w/ in the light of day. Especially w/in the church.

He should not be in any leadership role. Period!

And if he's not fired, then you and your WW better find another church to attend.

First b/c who'd want to attend a church that takes such a dim view on values and standards for its leaders?

And second b/c your WW and he must establish NO CONTACT! Period!

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I don't want to play down the consequence of sin but by doing this my wife will collapse and she will leave me immediately. The Pastor is a strong person in Christian values. But we are young. Obviously my wife is not willing to go to another church becasue she still has a strong tie with that guy. They are still maintaining contact because they are in the same ministries.

Should I still write my wife notes and buy her stuff? It seemed like she is frustrated with whatever I do. She doesn't even want me to talk to her.


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Your pastor should do as Scripture says...period! He knows what that is. If not, then he is failing as a pastor and he should be removed. If he lets sin like this go on within his church, then he does not deserve to be preaching the Word of God.

He doesnt understand that doing what the Bible says wont hurt his church. It is doing nothing that will hurt the church!!!

I thought I would post this article I found that kind of explains all of this. You might want to pass it on to yoru pastor.

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Church Discipline – A Tragic Neglect
June 8, 2000
by Wayne Jackson
A study of church discipline, especially the ultimate act of withdrawal of fellowship.

It is difficult to imagine what it would be like to live in a society where citizens could flaunt the rules and absolutely no consequences would follow—no fines, no imprisonment, etc. Can you conceive of a home environment where the children are allowed to do whatever they please with utterly no discipline imposed? Total chaos would reign in either of these instances.

Yet, there are countless congregations belonging to Jesus Christ across our land where little, if any, discipline of the wayward is ever enacted. Is it any wonder that our brotherhood is weaker today than it has been in decades?

Exactly what is church discipline?

In its broadest sense, it involves everything from the most basic instruction that the new-born child of God receives—from the time of his conversion onward, all the way to the radical “surgery” sometimes required in the withholding of fellowship from impenitent apostates. For the purpose of this study, we are speaking solely of that terminal act—the church’s obligation to withdraw its fellowship from those who cannot be reached with more moderate approaches.

New Testament Authority for Discipline
Every serious Bible student knows that there is ample authority for the practice of church discipline. Consider the following samples of New Testament evidence:



Jesus taught that one who has wronged his brother, and who cannot be persuaded to repent—either by the offended party, other independent witnesses, or the church in general—should be treated as “the Gentile and the publican” (Mt. 18:17). In the context of a first-century setting, this means that the church was to have no social contact with hardened offenders.
Paul instructed the saints in Rome to be on the lookout for those “who are causing the divisions and occasions of stumbling contrary to the doctrine.” He declared that the faithful should “turn away from” these self-serving egotists who were deceiving the innocent (Rom. 16:17).
The entire 5th chapter of 1st Corinthians deals with the matter of discipline. A fornicating church member had pursued in his immoral lifestyle relentlessly, and the apostle rebuked the Corinthian congregation for not having disfellowshipped the man.
Paul declared that the brother should have “been taken away from among you,” delivered “unto Satan,” and “put away” (vv. 2,5,13). Further, with such a one, “company” was not to be kept . The fraternization of a common meal was forbidden (vs. 11). This instruction is quite explicit.

The inspired Paul commanded the church in Thessalonica to “withdraw” from every brother who persists in walking disorderly, thus contrary to divinely received traditions (2 Thes. 3:6). Such persons, says he, are to be identified, and social company with them is to be severed. Excommunicated brethren, of course, are not to be treated harshly; rather, they are to be admonished in a brotherly fashion (14,15; cf. Gal. 6:1).
In Titus 3:10, inspiration affirms that a factious person, after appropriate admonition, is to be “refused,” i.e., refused further association.

These passages by no means exhaust the New Testament information on the subject of church discipline. They are sufficient, however, to provide ample instruction of the kingdom’s responsibility in this regard.

The Purpose of Church Discipline
What is the purpose in withdrawing fellowship from the disorderly? It certainly is not an act of revenge towards those who have fallen from the faith. And it must never be exercised in a haughty or malevolent manner. The Scriptures do suggest, however, that discipline has both a corrective and a protective function.



Obviously, it is designed to save the erring child of God. The Corinthian fornicator was to be disfellowshipped so that he might be motivated to destroy “the flesh,” i.e., his ungodly fleshly passion (see Thayer, 443) in order that his spirit might be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus (1 Cor. 5:5). Discipline is designed to “gain” the wayward (Mt. 18:15), to make him “ashamed” (2 Thes. 3:14), to the end that he may be restored (Gal. 6:1).
A consideration of certain passages in 2nd Corinthians leads to the conclusion that the church in Corinth finally did withdraw from the sensuous offender, and that such brought him to repentance. The apostle wrote: “This punishment which was inflicted by the majority is sufficient for such a man” (2 Cor. 2:6, NKJV).

But discipline is not merely for the welfare of the rebel. It is for the protection of the church as well.
When Paul admonished the congregation at Corinth to take care of the problem of the immoral brother, he warned: “Don’t you know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump?” (1 Cor. 5:6). The apostle elsewhere declared that those who cause divisions and occasions of stumbling “by their smooth and fair speech beguile the hearts of the innocent” (Rom. 16:17).

Two false teachers in the early church, Hymenaeus and Alexander, had made shipwreck of the faith, hence Paul “delivered [them] unto Satan,” i.e., he disfellowshipped them (1 Tim. 1:19-20; cf. 1 Cor. 5:5) for the welfare of the brethren. False teaching, if allowed to go unchecked within the body of Christ, can eat like a cancer, and cause the faith of some to be overthrown (see 2 Tim. 2:16-18).

Discipline is also important in preserving the integrity of the church before the eyes of the world. Society has bias enough against us without having the legitimate complaint that we harbor evil within our fellowship. We should never give occasion to the adversary for reviling (1 Tim. 5:14).
It is imperative that the conduct of the church be such that “the name of God and the doctrine be not blasphemed” (1 Tim. 6:1), and that the way of truth be not “evil spoken of” (2 Pet. 2:2).



Conduct Deserving of Church Discipline
What sort of attitude or conduct warrants the extreme measure of withdrawing fellowship? The Bible addresses this matter in several ways.



A brother who has sinned against another, but who refuses to repent of his transgression, could, ultimately, be disfellowshipped (Mt. 18:15-17).
Those who cause occasions of stumbling, and who initiate division, are proper subjects for church discipline (Rom. 16:17; Tit. 3:10).
Those who are practitioners of such sins as fornication, covetousness, extortion, idolatry, drunkenness, reviling, etc., could certainly be candidates for withdrawal (1 Cor. 5:9ff).
Advocates of soul-threatening doctrines must not be allowed to continue in open fellowship with the church (1 Tim. 1:19-20; 2 Tim. 2:16-18).
Those who walk disorderly are to be refused association by the faithful (2 Thes. 3:6). But what is disorderly conduct?
There are those who simply grow weary of the Christian life and decide to “resign” from the church. When approached about their neglect, and warned of possible discipline, they raise a voice of protest, claiming: “What am I doing that is wrong? I am not committing adultery; I am not a drunkard. The church cannot withdraw from me.”

An appropriate response would be: “Are you faithfully serving God? Do you meet with your brethren to sing, pray, observe the Lord’s supper, etc.? What would be the fate of the family of God if every member were at liberty to do as you have done?” Spiritual neglect is disorderly conduct, and a fitting response to such is discipline—of some sort at least.



It would be well to remember, however, that a person’s disposition is frequently the determining factor in terms of when, or whether, withdrawal of fellowship should be administered. No wise church leadership would disfellowship hastily a sincere Christian who, through weakness, had fallen into a sinful situation. As long as there is humility on the part of the offender, and a genuine effort to overcome the problem, long-suffering would be indicated. When, though, a surly, rebellious attitude is evidenced, more drastic measures may be speedily indicated.

Faithful elderships should let it be known that if a person wants to identify with the congregation over which they exercise supervision, he or she will be expected to live right, and to assume a healthy responsibility in the areas of Christian growth and service. If there is remiss in these matters, discipline, in some form or another, could be advisable.

How Should the Final Act Be Administered?
In every congregation where qualified men are serving as elders, it naturally would be the case that the eldership would lead the church in the withdrawal of fellowship from the unfaithful. Let it be stressed, however, that disfellowship is not an “eldership act” behind closed doors. It is an activity on the part of the entire church, and the formalization of the procedure must be enacted in the public assembly.

Paul commands the Corinthian Christians, by the authority of Christ, to deliver the erring brother unto Satan when they are “gathered together” (1 Cor. 5:4). Similarly, after the Lord gave instructions regarding the procedures for restoring the brother who had wronged his fellow, he declared: “For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them” (Mt. 18:20).

Few people seem to recognize that this comforting promise is given within a context of an exhortation regarding church discipline. Lenski has well noted: “Since he [Christ] is thus in the assembly of the church or present when two or three are convicting a brother of sin, it is he himself who acts with his church and its members when they carry out his Word by invoking also his presence and his help” (707).

Objections to Church Discipline—Answered
In spite of the fact that the Bible is quite clear on the obligation of Christ’s church to practice discipline upon impenitent members, there are those who cavil against the responsibility—even to the point of asserting that withdrawal of fellowship is a violation of New Testament principles. Some of the more common quibbles offered are:

“No one is worthy to disfellowship another.”
The allegation is sometimes made that since no one is perfect, no one really has the right to initiate discipline against another. Commonly, John 8:7 will be cited as a proof-text for this idea. “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.” Such is a woeful misuse of this passage. Two points need to be noted.

First, the Jews had brought a woman to Christ whom they claimed to have taken in the very act of adultery. They wanted the Lord to sanction her death (thus involving Him in difficulty with the Roman authorities). However, though the Old Testament law had clearly stated that both parties in an adulterous union must be executed, these Jews had brought only the woman. Hence, they had ignored the very law they pretended to honor.

Christ’s statement, therefore, as quoted above, was designed to highlight this inconsistency. It cannot be employed to militate against plain commands obligating the church to discipline the wayward.

Second, Paul was not “without sin,” and yet, he withdrew himself from evil brethren (1 Tim. 1:19, 20). One does not have to be sinless in order to honor the Bible teaching on this vital theme.

“Leave the tares for God.”
It sometimes is contended that whereas it must be acknowledged that there are “tares” in the kingdom, we are instructed to leave them alone. At the Judgment, the Lord will exercise his own discipline (cf. Mt. 13:24-30; 36-43).

In response we must insist that no parabolic teaching can be arrayed against clear Bible instruction given elsewhere. This argument is like suggesting that simply because the debtor (in the parable of the unmerciful servant) was forgiven by his Lord, with no conditions being stated (Mt. 18:27), one may conclude that salvation is totally unconditional!

The parable of the tares is simply designed to inoculate against a violent and premature attempts to completely purify the church on earth. It has nothing to do with the genuine practice of brotherly discipline. J. W. McGarvey noted that this type of reasoning is “in direct conflict with the teaching both of Jesus and the apostles on the subject of withdrawing from the disorderly” (124).

“Judge not!”
Some contend that church discipline would be a form of “judging,” a practice which the Bible condemns. The plain truth is, not all judging is wrong!

Jesus declared: “Judge not according to appearance, but judge ye righteous judgment” (Jn. 7:24). In Paul’s rebuke of the Corinthians, he clearly stated that he had “judged” already the incestuous brother (1 Cor. 5:3). He then subsequently asked these brethren: “Do not ye judge them that are within?” (5:12). Church discipline does, therefore, involve a form of judging, but it is not the unjustified, hypocritical judgment that is censured by Christ in Matthew 7:1-5.

“Where is the love?”
It is sometimes charged that if the church withdraws fellowship from the erring, it is demonstrating a lack of love. The sickening, superficial view that so many have regarding “love” these days is one of the most dramatic commentaries on biblical ignorance.

The fact is, discipline does not repudiate love, it reflects love. “Those whom the Lord loves, he disciplines” (Heb. 12:6, NASB). When ancient Israel went astray, Jehovah withdrew His presence from them for seventy years (the Babylonian Captivity). Was this an indication of an unloving disposition? To even suggest such is blasphemous.

If you are a member of a congregation which practices church discipline, you ought to thank Almighty God that you have the privilege of belonging to such a loving family!

“What about him?”
Occasionally the claim will be made: “The church cannot withdraw from me, for there are others who are just as bad, or worse, and they haven’t been disciplined.” Several things may be said in rebutting this rationalization.

First, the fact that the church may have been remiss in its duty, or even inconsistent, in the past, does not mean that changes for the better cannot be made. No sane person would argue: We were wrong in the past; let us therefore always be wrong.

Second, the precise determination as to whom, and when, church discipline should be administered will frequently be a matter of leadership judgment. Some brethren may not know all the facts as to why decisions were made to withdraw from some and not from others. There may be extenuating circumstances that are not general information. This type of quibbling cannot be allowed to deter discipline when such is obviously indicated.

Loving discipline was as much a trait of the primitive church as correct worship, organization, etc. This question, then, cannot but haunt many: Can a church that utterly refuses to practice discipline truly be a New Testament church?


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Notes and doing stuff with her will not do anything until the adultery ends. Period. It will end if you expose. It will also end if your church does what it is supposed to do. Being "young" as a church has NOTHING to do with this! Actually, a young church that does not adhere to Scripture is more susceptible to problems in the congregation. Your pastor MUST do something about this, as outlined by Scripture. Or, he is condoning the adultery and is sinning. Same goes with you!

I know you want answers right now. And we will help you thru them. But exposure is the first thing. Your marriage cannot survive as long as there is a third person in it (OM). You must do what is necessary to end the affair. That is done thru exposure. And as a Christian husband, you have a duty (you are commanded!!) to lead your wife. And since she will not listen to her head (you), then you need to go to the next higher authority...that being the church (as is outlined in my last post).

All of this is scary. and the things you NEED to do sometimes seem like the very things that will chase her away forever. They wont!! You need to learn that these things are not natural, that what you think should be done is usually the wrong thing to do.

Dr. Harley is very good at showing all of this. So read up on here. read his books. His principles dovetail right into what Scripture says. You MUST expose! That is, if you want to save your marriage. And your church!

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I don't want to play down the consequence of sin but by doing this my wife will collapse and she will leave me immediately. The Pastor is a strong person in Christian values. But we are young. Obviously my wife is not willing to go to another church becasue she still has a strong tie with that guy. They are still maintaining contact because they are in the same ministries.

Should I still write my wife notes and buy her stuff? It seemed like she is frustrated with whatever I do. She doesn't even want me to talk to her.


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I don't want to play down the consequence of sin but by doing this my wife will collapse and she will leave me immediately. The Pastor is a strong person in Christian values. But we are young. Obviously my wife is not willing to go to another church becasue she still has a strong tie with that guy. They are still maintaining contact because they are in the same ministries.

Should I still write my wife notes and buy her stuff? It seemed like she is frustrated with whatever I do. She doesn't even want me to talk to her.

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Do you want your marriage to survive this?

You must kill the A. Right now, you are helping to feed it.

Please read up on A's and their addictive natures.

Start HERE. <-------- Click here.

I know the idea of exposure runs counter to what your instincts are telling you, but these principles are what have saved thousands of marriages.

I know you are afraid of your WW's anger, but your M can survive her being angry, but it will NOT survive Adultery.

The idea behind exposure is to bring what was hidden into the light of day, there the A will lose it's luster and appeal for both parties. It will help to destroy the fantasy that the A is built upon.And it will help to bring your WW out of her foggy thinking. Will she get mad at you? He!! yeah! Addicts always get angry when you mess w/ their "fix".

I had an EA, I KNOW how powerful they are. I didn't start to get my mind back until I established NC w/ the OM.

Please follow the link I left for you. Read everything here.

Keep posting.

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Listen to Mortarman and Marshmellow!!!!

When I revealed the affair (which I thought was over and done, but was not) to my pastor, my wife had to step down from the ministry position she held. It was a natural consequence of her actions, and while I'm sure it hurt her deeply, she also knew why it had to happen (her stepping down, not the affair).

As for the young man who is in Bible college and involved in multiple ministries...your pastor needs to confront him. By sweeping this under the rug, he will be doing this young man no favors, and quite possibly training him up in a completely wrong fashion for future ministry work.

People in ministry - even immensely popular and succesful people in ministry - can and have been removed because of sin, especially sexual sin. Our church, quite old (12+ years) but small lost our youth pastor this way. He was great with the kids, and had really grown our youth group. He fell into an affair and was removed. Very few people know why he was removed, and as far as I know the kids don't know at all. Disciplining a believer does not mean tossing them into the town square and reading the list of their sin to all who want to listen. As the old military saying goes, praise in public, discipline in private.

This young man may not have realized the depth of your wife's attraction to him. He may indeed be pulling away because he realizes the situtation for what it truly is. Or he may not.

Regardless of what he realizes, by the simple fact that he is in the ministry he's a big target for Satan. He needs to, at the very least, be counseled by the pastor. In all reality, he should probably step down and find a new church to server in. Why? Because according to the situation you described, there is (again, at least) the appearance of improper conduct, and that is a huge problem. Christians are judged way more on what we do, than on what we say. There are quite likely others in your church who may be wondering what is going on and drawing their own conclusions.

Whatever the depth of the relationship between your wife and this young man, one of the two is going to need to leave that church.

If he's truly seeking to serve God, he'll understand this, even if his flesh doesn't like it. If he's not truly seeking to serve God, then perhaps this will motivate him to get on track, or seek another calling in life.

If your pastor is unwilling to take action - as outlined in the Bible - then I would recommend that you "relocate" your family to another church that does practice church discipline.

I can speak from experience, as can many others here. Not all churches practice discipline and restoration as outlined in the Bible. Some churches, IMO, only practice enough to look good, but avoid dealing with the underlying issues.

Back your position with scripture - use the one's Mortarman gave above, or ask Mortarman for more (you can also get good references from ForeverHers). If your pastor won't listen, move on.

Your wife needs to understand (though I doubt she can yet) that being removed from the ministry is a direct consequence of her choice to have an affair, even an EA. Even Saul, who was annointed by God, eventually lost that annointing because of his repeated sins. God cannot use those who are in active sin - how can you server a God that you are rebelling against?

In addition to the discipline, I'd query the pastor on exactly what role he sees his church playing in restoring your wife to fellowship. Yes, it's ultimately up to her to repent and turn back to God, but I believe Paul states pretty clearly in 1 and 2 Corinthians that the church has a role to play in that (even if part of that role is turning the fallen brother/sister over to the world).

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It sounded like stopping the ministries is the choice the church should make. But what do I do after that?


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Yes, and if they don't make the right choice, then you will need to leave it.

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It sounded like stopping the ministries is the choice the church should make. But what do I do after that?

Marsh is right - it is the up to the church to do that. If they don't, leave.

As for what else you do? Continue to expose the affair if needed. Plan A - make yourself the best husband you can be. Rely on your faith, on God, and build a support network of friends and family.

Your goal in exposure is not to punish. It's to shed light on the affair and rally people that can hopefully help you to put pressure on your wife to return to work on the marriage, as well as help you in what are going to be some very difficult days ahead.


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Obviously my wife is not willing to go to another church becasue she still has a strong tie with that guy. They are still maintaining contact because they are in the same ministries.


This is why you need to expose. You must expose at the church and in those ministries in order to put pressure on those in charge to do the right thing.

If they fail to do the right thing, then expose until your WW is so uncomfortable that she no longer wants to be apart of the church and/or ministries.

You will NEVER win your wife back, until the A is killed and NC is established.

NEVER.

EVER.

No matter how many notes you write her.

No matter how loving you are.

No matter what you do for her.


Keep reading and posting.


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There is really no ground to expose anything. I got email and journal from my wife and that's it. Many things happened between OM and my wife seemed to be friendship. It's my wife that transform that friendship into a romantic relationship. I know that guy has already stepped away after I talked with him.

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There is really no ground to expose anything. I got email and journal from my wife and that's it. Many things happened between OM and my wife seemed to be friendship. It's my wife that transform that friendship into a romantic relationship. I know that guy has already stepped away after I talked with him.

Your wife had an emotional affair, at the least. She's using it to some degree to justify not working on your marriage. You have proof, so you can expose if you choose to.

Rule #1 - Don't trust anything that comes out of a WS (wayward spouse)'s mouth, unless you can independently verify it. You have only her word, his word, and the evidence you have.

Again, even if it was strictly platonic from the guy's point of view, and strictly emotional from your wife's point of view, your wife spent her energy, time and emotions on someone other than her husband.

Look, I'm not going to tell you that opposite-sex friendships are bad. One of my wife's closest male friends knows what happened with us, and is one of our strongest supporters in working it out. The difference here - after I met my wife, I became friends with this guy as well.

If your wife shared things with the OM (Other Man) that she would not share with you, especially if it related to your marriage, she was wrong.

Assume the worst, hope and pray for the best, and verify everything you can.

If the OM has already stepped away, and if he truly appears to be innocent (naive, but innnocent), stress to him how absolutel crucial it is that he not have any contact with your wife, and that he not accept any attempts by her to contact him. Even better, if he's truly on the up-and-up, have him tell you if she tries to initate contact. (I normally wouldn't recommend enlisting the OP in this, and I'll probably get branded a MB heretic for it, but if - and only if he truly was naive, it might help.

Note that he needs to stay away and not try to "help".

Your wife's emotions, at the least, are or were focused on a man other than you - her husband. What are you going to do win her back?

If you don't know, ask qestions. There are many vets on this board who can give you good, solid advice that may very well help you not only save your marriage, but make it better than it was.


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BH (Me) - 38
WW (Magpie) - 31
Married 2001 (Together 8 years)
DS - 13
DD - 5
EA/PA - 9/05-12/05
D-Day - 11/05

Second separation. Working on me.

If you remain in Me and My words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given to you.
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Thank you for all your input. I am getting clearer in what I have to do. At this point my wife is no longer in touch with the OM. And the OM has promised to set boundaries between them. Even though I have evidence to show my wife that she has been telling me lies about what she called to be friendship. At this point I think my wife finally realize she has to end this. Well, of course at this point, I know she is still thinking about the times she had with the OM.

What should I be doing now? And how long is this process gonna take. I don't mind if it takes long. I just want to prepare my expectation.

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Hi e5,

Just a few of questions for you to help me understand what happened...

What were the things that made you believe something was up w/ your WW?

When did she move out of your bedroom? Before you found out about the A or after it? Was she having SF w/ you during her A?

What did her e-mails say to him? Did they say that she loved him? Did you read the ones he sent her? What did they say?

You asked how long it could take to recover your M...it could take longer than the two of you have been married. It depends on alot of things.

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Couple of things... She was meeting with the guy for dinner and lunch without letting me know. They went to prayer mountain together without letting me know. She has been giving him stuff and making him food. On the other hand the OM is giving him stuff.

She did not move out of her bedroom. I did. I just can't stand her. At first I moved out of the house but later she told me to come back home since she doesn't want to affect my family. She were not having SF with me for awhile. At a time she thought she let go. We did have once. But now we are living in separate room.

I read her journal and she has thought about what if she wasn't marry. Would the situation be diff.? She can't stop thinking about the guy. It does not explicitly say that she love him. The one he send him is pretty mild.

My wife is very mad at me for talking to the OM. And now she wouldn't even talk to me. Anything I do will offend her. What should I do now? Stop being caring and loving and act as if we are just roommates?

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