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After nearly a year of a nearly perfect Plan B, my heart and mind, as they say, are pretty much in sync. Although my preference would be reconciliation, I am also being realistic. It has been nearly 3 years and the possibility of that happening is slim to none at this point.

Anyway, I recently have "transitioned" out of Plan B and made a few pretty friendly but kind of awkward contacts with WH, until I brought up finalizing the divorce...now he is apparently Plan B'ing me. What is up with that?

Anway, last week I sent him an em and vm about xmas gifts for the kids. They had sent lists and I just wanted to know what he was getting so we didn't duplicate gifts. I never heard anything from him.

So..I have drafted this to send him. I guess it kind of quaifies as a 180...except that everything I say is 99.9% true. Just looking for some opinions. I think I may be laying on a bit thick..and want to avoid DJ's if possible.


WH, since I didn't hear from you I played it safe with xmas gifts. I tried to get most of it done today. <insert list of xmas gifts>

You are apparently avoiding me for whatever reason...don't really understand why...thought this is what you wanted...for me to get past my anger, get on with my life and be willing to have a civil relationship with you. I thought you would be relieved that I had finally gotten there...but whatever...WH, at some point we are going to have to make arrangements to get the divorce final. We all need closure on this. I know I do and the kids do...and I bet even OW would appreciate having things final (not that I worry too much about her <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />) . I don't really understand your reluctance. I figured you would pleased to have it done and over with so we can both get on with our lives. I know I will be. For the most part, I am pretty content with how my life is. I like my job, things are okay with the kids. Not perfect, but about as good as can be expected with teenagers in this situation. I have found a small but really great group of supportive friends, physically and emotionally I feel better than I have in years and most importantly I continue to grow spiritually. But I do confess, I am getting to the point that I want more and am ready to start looking for other relationships. For a long time, despite a couple of opportunities, the thought of becoming involved with someone else wasn't very appealing. I felt like I was out of the frying pan and had no desire to jump into the fire. But that is beginning to change and I can see myself one day soon wanting to commit to a long term healthy relationship. You have apparently found that with OW, and I would hope that you would not deny me the same opportunity, especially when it only requires you to do something you want to do anyway.

I know that you have said you haven't pursued getting things final because you can't afford it...but I believe that if you think about it, you will realize that doesn't make much sense considering settling would mean that financially nothing will really change.(I have offered several times to settle for our current arrangement) If you want to try and work things out outside of court, I am available and ready to have an honest, civil discussion. If not, then I am just as prepared to go to court. It is your call.

In the meantime, please let me know what your plans are for the kids visiting on their winter break. As it is a big travel time of the year you will probably need to make reservations early. Some people from work are trying to get a group together to go skiing in WV over the New Years weekend. I might want to go if it doesn't interfere with getting them home.

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2 much info the WS. Make it in more simple terms.

The family is learning how to let go of you. If you decided NOT to get them what they wanted, I have tried to do most of it.

The D needs to finalized. The OW is getting antsy and I've got people to see.

The children realize you have chosen other people over them. It hurts but they realize true love comes from the heart and never will betray their trust. They too are finding others to trust and love. You are their father but not acting like it and they know it.

Now make sure you go be happy with the OW. We are tired of being miserable waiting for you to come back to your senses and come home.

Get the $$ to finalize the D from the OW. She has it stashed away in her underwear drawer. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

The BS.

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Simplify it even more:
“Here is the list of presents I bought:
<insert list>”

Then you just file for divorce.

It’s been 3 years, he is living with OW and you acknowledge that there is little hope. You yourself initiate divorce talk so I say just go for it.

There are basically only 2 reasons why he has delayed the D. (1) he can´t afford it and (2) he has some emotions left. For reason (1) it’s basically not your issue. If you can afford it then get it over with. For (2) then if he does have some emotions left and they are strong enough then filing will push him from the spot he is stuck in right now.

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I agree with Orchid....way too long....but also...I'm not sure of the purpose? If he hasn't finalized the divorce after all this time.....maybe you're making a mistake by pushing that issue. If it's not what you want.....then don't pursue it. Forget the letter except to let him know what gifts you've purchased. The rest just sounds like full of resentment really. Oh and btw....this really isn't a 180. A 180 is a divorce busting strategy where you detach and stop using things that don't work....try the unexpected. You're just trying to get some "digs" in here....it makes you sound bitter....not strong.

Sorry <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

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Thanks for the replies, guys..

Orchid, I did already send one much like you suggested..minus the underwear drawer part <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />. Short and just plain facts...we need to get this settled, your excuses are lame was basically all I said. That is when he started his own version of Plan B. I guess this time I was hoping a little more detail would let him know I was serious.

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There are basically only 2 reasons why he has delayed the D. (1) he can´t afford it and (2) he has some emotions left. For reason (1) it’s basically not your issue. If you can afford it then get it over with.

I don't believe it is money. I have repeatedly offered to settle for just continuing our current arrangement until our youngest is 18...which is just 3 more years. He says he can't settle because he can't afford to continue to give me that much...so instead he does nothing and just continues to give me what he says he can't afford to settle for...How much sense does that make??

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If he hasn't finalized the divorce after all this time.....maybe you're making a mistake by pushing that issue.

That is exactly what I am afraid of. I am stuck in this place where if he truly doesn't want to do anything about us...then I am ready to move on. But his reluctance leads me to believe that maybe he is not as certain as he wants to pretend...and if that is the case then I want to be able to know that I did not cut bait too soon. That is why I am trying to get him to be the one to finalize...then at least I will know that it was what he really wanted.

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Okay, I sent a shorter version of the draft and this is what I got in response


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I appreciate your honesty and I truly hope that you find what you are looking for in a relationship.


I assume that we are headed to court on the 6th of next month. Since we cannot come to terms, it will be left up to the court to decide. The point that neither of us seem willing to compromise on is the disposition of the home. I will not keep my name attached to a mortgage on a home that I do not live in. All it would take is to miss a couple payments and the mortgage company would be coming after me. That and I will never be able to qualify for a loan with the mortgage outstanding. No court will force me to remain in that position. The sale of the home will happen as part of the divorce settlement. As for alimony and child support, I will let the court determine the amounts.

I have not made any attempt to delay this matter, and have only been following the advice of my attorney. I wanted this over a long time ago. There are parts of my life that are on hold until this is resolved as well.

This is a bunch of crock...first,if he was so worried about his name being on the mortagage...wouldn't that be an incentive to get into court as quickly as possible?

second, my atty informs me that it is very common to let the custodial parent stay in the marital home while there are minor children. Not indefintely of course, but I have told him that when youngest turns 18 (3 years) we can sell and split equity. My atty has assured me that it is very reasonable to expect a judge to agree to that. Anyone else have a legal opinion on that, especially since I not missed a mortgage payment in all time he has been gone?

third, the court date he mentions is in reference to docket call I told him about. A docket call is just when the attys come to court before the judge and work out trial dates...I had suggested to him he that would be a good time to get a court date. And he assumes that we "are going to court"...you would think that while he is getting all this advice from his atty...that he would have informed WH that the litigants don't go to docket calls! Not to mention the fact that if we actually did have a court date on the 6th....he would have received notification from the court or his atty...he wouldn't have to "assume" anything.

I know...I am ranting, but this just chaps me. Does he think I am stupid? Is this just typical WS babble? Should I call him on it and let him know that I don't believe a word of it because it makes no sense?

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Just let you attorney play hardball on this and quit messing around with him and OW. You are ready to move on and you should do so under the very best circumstances given that he made decisions for the entire family when he decided to ****** around with OW. Anything he gets now is too much...Let your attorney bury him as best possible.

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Well, thanks H&P, but I am not really ready to move on unless I can know for sure that he is done.

His reply just does not ring true to me. If he wanted this to be over with that bad...he's had two years to get it over with. His excuses make no sense.

It is frustrating not to be able to get a straight answer from him.

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