Meyer and Warren had dated for eight years and shared an apartment on Saranac Street for the past three years, Mechals told Halgren.

Mechals said Warren bought a handgun through legitimate channels sometime before the shooting. He did not say where or when Meyer bought the gun.

Mechals told the judge Meyer suspected Warren of giving her a sexually transmitted disease and, with the gun tucked into her pants, confronted Warren in the bedroom of their apartment about noon Monday, Mechals said.

“He was lying on the floor playing video games, and she shot him twice in the back of the head,” Mechals said. “He was dead on the spot.”

After shooting Warren, Meyer “pepper-sprayed him to make sure he didn't get up,” the prosecutor said.

hmmmm.... justice.
Very good people are, at times, driven to insane acts by their partners cruelness(things they NEVER would have dreamed they were capapble of). I've locked up many of them and have felt sorry for each and every one. It is hard to feel sorry for the victim here... yet I have real sorrow for the true "victim" and the time she will spend in jail for his crimes. Every WS should read this and realize the pain they are inflicting could come back and bite them a thousand fold. Very sad. Plan M.

And it used to be the men that would shoot. More and more now it is the women.

What about the woman dentist who ran over her H in the hotel parking lot with his daughter in the car?

Sad...

Could have been me after I found my FWH at the motel....

I had a case 15 years ago where a woman calmly called the district... not 911... right to the district and told me in a very calm manner... come get this piece of $hit out of my house. I thought she was drunk, but went over anyway and found her WH laid out on the kitchen floor with a butcher knife through his belly... she waited till he was dead to call. She decribed his cheating and abuse.... I had no choice but to lock her up... but honestly, I felt sorry for the woman. She was back on the street in 16 months. She really was a good person that was pushed too far.

How tragic for all the families involved. Somehow I doubt this woman will be back on the street in 16 months given that she shot him in the back of the head while he was lying down. I don't imagine that any "imminent danger" defense would hold up.

Now he's dead and his poor parents, family will grieve. She's probably looking at a long prison term -- all for what?

Truly sad.

Mys

no imminent danger in the case I mentioned either. I would bet it gets pled out as a manslaughter so long as she has no record.
I feel for his family... but feel more for her and her family. I see her as the victim of his actions....not the other way around.

Really? I confess I don't know anything about the law but it always seems like the cases you see (on TV, how's that for reference) end up having long sentences. Look at Clara Harris, she got 10 years.


I still don't think what she did was right. I think she deserves to go to prision but I don't know for how long. I just can't bring myself around to the idea that it's ok to just kill your spouse if s/he cheats on you. Leave? Absolutely. Never see/talk to that person again. Absolutely. Kill? Yikes! I draw the line there.

Mys

I'm pretty sure the dentist I was speaking of got LIFE...

I was SOOO SURPRISED..so UNFAIR....

I SOOO identified with this woman...

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/02/12/harris.trial/

Sorry, Clara Harris got 20 years. I think she has to serve at least 10.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2003/02/14/875/91976

Mys

I'm glad I was WRONG!!!

Ok, first, I will say that I am one of those piece of ****** WSs you people seem to hate so much.

Let me get this straight...someone cheats on their spouse. Yes that is wrong and yes there is no excuse for it. What if the person is being abused either physically, verbally or psychologically? Still no excuse. They should have had the back bone to fight back or leave.

But, according to the discussion here, it really is ok...errr...well, it's not legally ok to kill someone, but if the piece of ****** that cheated on their spouse get's killed, there is some moral justice in it. I guess the reason that some of you seem to feel there is moral justification for murder...(err...murder is too harsh a term...what...maybe we should just say temporary insanity for which the BS is not responsible?) is because you were basically destroyed when you found out about your WS's betrayal.

I know you can't believe it because, well, you guys are so perfect and are not capable of hurting another person, but some WSs are basically good people who screwed up. They get it and want to try and make amends, but I guess forgiveness is not an option for piece of ****** WSs. Put a bullet through a WS's head or a physical knife in their heart and then watch them bleed to death and that's understandable, forgivable and really it's a shame to unjust legal system holds someone like that to account, but do something that, while horrendous, one can still recover from and that deserves death?

That may not be what you people really think but it sure as ****** is what you are saying and, to me, it is far more sickening than getting caught up in something that is also a crime of passion, but does not immediately put the victim six feet under. How dare you people even think that the murder victim and their family are not the only REAL victims here?! By your definitions, I should be dead right now and sometimes I wish I was, but as evil as I apparently am by the definitions in this thread, I wouldn't wish my worst enemy was killed in cold blood...ooops...not cold blood...in an act of punishment that fits the crime. I guess there is no problem with killing a WS since the WS obviously is not a human being. Sorry myschae, this doesn't fully apply to you since you at least admit killing someone is wrong.

I am sure you guys will now pummel me, but I really find the implications of where you are headed with this conversation to be totally ludicrous...or is that just the wrongheaded thinking of a piece of ****** WS?

Jim...

Are you an active WS or are you a truly FWS? I am a FWS myself, and I don't believe that any of the people here really believe that killing someone is the answer...But the pain inflicted on a BS is some of the WORST in the world...Infidelity is compared by Dr. Harley to rape...There are some here that compare it with the death of one of their children...It IS that big a deal...

So, I think what you have read here is some venting of that pain...I don't believe anyone was absolving people of poor choices...

Mrs. W

Jimm


I think my original point was that this killing is absolutely tragic for all involved. This man is dead. His family now has to face the holidays without their son/brother/father(?)/friend. The woman's life is also much, much worse off. She's undoubtably headed for prison -- how long is a mystery. Maybe for a short time but maybe a long, long time. So, her family is also "without her" in many important ways though not as permanently as the man's family.

I don't see any "justice" or "good" coming from this situation. It took an all ready horrible situation and just made it SO MUCH worse for everyone who's left behind. And, the man -- well, we'll never really know what he did. The papers said she "supsected that he gave her an STD" so we don't even know for certain if he was guilty (though we might supsect he was). We'll never know if he was going to redeem himself in the end or not.

It's TRAGIC. I can't imagine that this "solution" is ever really "worth it."

Mys

jimm5045,

hi. i would never replied to this post until i read your comment.
I agree with you 100%. how is that on the part of a BS?

murder is murder.

What i dont like however is your "attitude". This is not a 2x4, this is me wondering what goes on in your mind?

No one is perfect. In fact i bet there are some of us who even had revenge A.

If it wasnt for mimi,Ms.W and a bunch of WONDERFUL WS and FWS trying to help me, i would be far gone down that route already.

Do you have ANY idea what a BS goes thru?......no i forgot we are "holier than thou".

not.

no one in their right mind could even possibly justify this murder,but can relate to the most intimate of betrayal.

agreeing with this is wrong, dead wrong........but so is adultry, there is no justification.

I cant defend wrong.........and neither should you, or anyone else.

so again JIMM i agree totally with you.

wierd huh? me a BS an all.

Yikes!! Everybody (betrayed AND dead) are a "true" victims in all of these scenarios. It's not any more ethical or understandable to kill a spouse than to become involved in an affair. The folks who *snap* and start slashing and shooting....are way scarier to me than the cheaters. You may have to be weak in character to have an affair....but you have to be psychotic to kill people. The idea that cheating is the direct cause of murderous acts....is like saying that lack of meeting needs by the BS is the direct cause of the wayward spouse's affair. Sorry....nobody gets off the hook when they make decisions this destructive. Affairs and murder are each a dysfunctional CHOICE. I don't respect either of those choices.....but have empathy for good people who get caught up in tragedy that surrounds them.

Mys, I wouldn't advocate it either... it's not right... but from a perspective of reaping what you sow... it is justice.

Yes, Jim, people are driven to insane acts by infidelity... doesn't make it right... but it wouldn't be right for me to kill someone that molests my child either... but trust me... it would happen in a heart beat.... and I don't think I should spend a day in jail for it either!.

As far as you describing yourself as a WS... if you are... then you are right about me thinking you are a pos. If you have stopped and are looking to make right what you have made wrong... well, then I say welcome and would offer help in anyway I could. You attitude screams active WS... I could be wrong... heaven knows I am often.

So, Jim... question for you...how would you deal with a person that killed their spouse after finding out about an A? How about if this person has led a relatively spotless life up until then...and they were so injured by their partners actions that they snapped... it happens. Do we treat them just like any other murderer? Or do we look at the circumstances and weigh them against the backdrop of the devastation that was visited upon their life.

i agree 1000%

choosing NOT to retaliate in kind shows a person character.

obviously you do not understand psychosis...

true psychotics are a very rare breed... very often there is an organic reason for their behaviors.... and just as often as not they are not held responsible for their crimes.

A person responding to a stimulas as painful as a violent rape (Dr. Harley) is often times driven to acst they NEVER would commit without such stimulas.

I can't tell you the number of times I have seen good people that have just snapped. It happens every day.

Well I'm not Jim.....but let me ask you one medc? When you've got a spouse who "snaps" and kills.....doesn't it make you wonder if there were ALSO mitigating circumstances surrounding the affair??? Normal people do occassionally snap....but people who already have "issues" snap alot more often. Neither action can be "explained" away because the people were unhappy or in pain. If cheating caused insanity.....how come everybody on this board didn't stab their spouse? Because some people are stronger. If we're all capable of cheating....how come some of us don't? Because some of us are stronger. Something is "wrong" with people who kill over these things.