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If you don't know my story you can read my profile for the full detals...But the short version is my husband was having an affair with my best friend while I was pregnant...We are 8 months out from D-Day and I have some questions. We had a big discussion this weekend and he truly believes they had a relationship and he was in love with her...At one time he thought he was more in love with her than with me...I try to explain that their relationship wasn't based in reality and he think I am taking away from his feelings...Which I am not...I do think he was in love with her...They had been friends for many years before I was even in the picture...But, I have also come to the realization of what kind of person she is...See she is the one who came up to him to tell him she wanted to start having an affair with him...She did it in my house while I was at school and while he was bathing my daughter..I was coming to the realiztion that she wasn't a very good friend prior to the affair coming out...And then the affair just sealed the deal...She is very manipulative, pushy, it has to be her way, and she has to be the center of attention always...And I don't understand how my husband could fall in love with someone like her and then love someone like me..
I asked him if he is at all mad at her for what she did to me and our family...and he says he holds her in the same contempt he holds himself...But during the whole affair she did and said a lot of things to make me feel like me and my husband shouldn't be together...Like she would say we should switch husbands...you and my husband have more in common...she at one time thought her husband was having an affair and she told me she should have one...she told me she was done with her marriage and if she had a degree she would be gone...she told me me and her were drifting apart...I believe she wanted my life and she didn't care about hurting me or my children to get it...So I just don't understand how he could love someone like that...He also thinks love is just a feeling you have...
I tell him I need to know he wants to be with me now and forever and he says I am here isn't that enough...He tells me he is working on bringing back what we had...Majority of the time he wants to be with me but sometimes he still has feelings of not being sure...We have to small children and I just don't know how long I can wait around...I just don't want them to get use to us being a family to have their daddy one day decide he doesn't love me enough and he leaves...I just don't know what to do...I love him and even after all this I know I want to be with him...Why can't he see that I am the better woman...Why can't he see her for who she is...Please I am drowning in pain...and need some help... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
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D-Day-April 10 2006
stay at home mom
2 kids (23 months and 10.5 months)
NC-April 26 2006
D-day 2 2/3/2007
d-day 3 2/27/2007
d-day 4 6/15/2007 (OW says she is pregnant)
"A woman is like a teabag; you never know how strong she is until she gets into hot water."
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Stop pouring buckets of pain over your head, SNR.
There is no comparison between OW and you...you are real, she isn't. I know because she was real to you, like a friend, she seems more real than those of us who didn't know the OW...and you are choosing to believe she's real, that his perception that his feelings were real is The Truth instead of his truth.
Choose differently. Do some reality checks here...reality: you are his wife and the mother of his children. With small children...huge doses of stress, joy, and dedication which isn't present in an affair.
Lots of responsibilities not present in an affair. Choose to believe your FWH is missing out on all that unreality...and his feelings weren't for the real her (with all the responsibilities that come with that), they were for the fantasy she represented...all fantasy, no responsibility.
That is the true lure of an affair...and why they end 95% of the time when the parties get to the reality of what they've done and see the responsibilities remain...no more fantasy.
YOU are choosing to believe his truth...please don't. Important that you remain the reality bearer...especially to yourself. What you're doing is buying into his perception and then making deductive assumptions from a false premise.
Please don't! Tell me what you both are doing terrifically differently than pre-A...what's changed...and let's stick in reality...because his withdrawal doesn't seem to be on course...how often do you guys see your MC? Are you doing communication exercises? Are you making and owning your O&H statements or are you spending time attempting to convince him he's wrong about what is only his...feelings, thoughts, beliefs and perceptions?
Did you know that you asking your FWH if he's gonna be with you forever is like the mindset of a four-year-old and has no reality in it? If you believe you will instantly trust, relax and be secure from asking for such a lie, then you are doing this to yourself.
Each day, we choose to love, act on our love, and know that our commitment to our marriage comes first, even when we don't feel like honoring our partner (when we feel attacked, pressured, controlled, like failures)...that's about us, our characters...and the knowledge that people have to choose to leave, have an affair...they aren't made to...stay solid in that knowledge.
Your H had an affair...and you lived through it. You chose to stay and work on recovery...you will not have a blind trust relationship ever again...and this is good...read Harley. Blind trust is fantasy...reality is much better.
Look to your own stuff, your personal recovery--you have suffered incredible pain and betrayal...don't add to it inside yourself by looking only at him and not inside, where you choose what you believe, think, perceive and therefore, feel. Act, not react.
Even recovered couples with thriving marriages face your reality...my DH could choose to leave any day and divorce me...he has always had the choice before him and always will...humans have inherent choice. I will be okay with or without him. That's personal recovery. That's me choosing each day, this is where I want to be...where I thrive...and who I am determines that, not who he is...
You can do this, SNR...realign and center yourself where you have control...over all things that are you...and no one else. He is there by choice. He is present. He is in NC (which you are checking on, correct?). Stop stabbing yourself with his stuff...it's his...and good to know. He's being honest. Are you?
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This is straight from the website. Read it and practice it. Also read SAA. You will get through this, but you need the resources to know how to get through it. What you are doing isn't working, so follow Dr. Harley's guidelines. Coping with Infidelity: Part 3 Restoring the Marital Relationship
Introduction: This column is the third in a series of four columns on infidelity. The first was, "How do Affairs Begin," the second was "How Should Affairs End," and this one is on how to rebuild a marriage after an affair has ended.
Since an affair does not always end the way it should, with complete separation from the lover, you may not find this column entirely relevant to you. In your case, your spouse's lover may still be a factor, and you will want to know how to restore your marital relationship with your spouse's lover standing in the wings. If you are in that position, I have addressed that topic in two of my earlier Q&A columns on infidelity ("What to Do with an Unfaithful Husband" and "What to Do with an Unfaithful Wife"). In short, it's hard enough to restore a marital relationship when a lover is finally out of the picture. But it's almost impossible when the lover is still hanging around.
There is another topic that this column introduces, but does not adequately address: Resentment. I have spoken to that issue in a previous column, "Can't We Just Forgive and Forget?" but there is much more that can be said on that subject. So I will leave it for Part 4 of this series of columns on infidelity.
I illustrate this week's problem, how to rebuild a marriage after an affair has ended, with two letters I have received. My advice follows the letters.
Dear Dr. Harley, My wife and I are separated after 20 years of marriage. About two years ago I entered into a relationship with a younger woman, became totally captivated by the excitement, and left my wife and two daughters. I cannot defend my actions, but I understand why I was unable to resist. My most basic needs had been unmet for several years. I was emotionally abandoned for the sake of our children. After much effort to get my wife's attention, I quit trying.
Our marriage had always been relatively sterile, and after the children were born, things only got worse. I had given up on getting my needs met by her, and she probably gave up on me, too. Then, a young, beautiful, and free spirited co-worker showed an interest in me.... a textbook case I guess, but I felt it was SO SPECIAL at the time. I was flattered by her interest in me and she readily provided all the things I needed but was unable to get from my wife. She, of course, was not encumbered by the problems of raising a family, household, etc.
I spent about 18 months with my lover until she could no longer handle the guilt she felt from contributing to the breakup of my family. My relationship with my teenage daughters has struggled terribly since the affair .... how could I expect otherwise? She finally left me and I no longer see her or talk to her, but I am not over her emotionally (I may never be); she has just married another.
I have lived alone for the last 5 months and the emotional turmoil over the recent events combined with loneliness have devastated me; I am suffering from classical depression symptoms..... sleeplessness, lack of appetite, unable to focus, etc.
But I will get to the point. My wife and I have been trying to reconcile all summer, but there is so much pain and bitterness (on both sides); we have just about reached the point of giving up. Every time we make a little progress, one of us gets hurt or discouraged and we lose ground. We both filled out the needs questionnaire from your web site. It revealed that neither of us had done a very good job meeting each other's needs, and it also revealed that our needs were sharply contrasted. The things I need most were least important to her and vice versa. We can agree on some things (strategies for improvement), but we are deadlocked on some issues. For example, recreational companionship .... if it's not with the girls, it's not going to happen with her. She wants me to wait till they are gone before WE have time together.
I'm not emotionally strong enough to go back, say the things she wants to hear, and live in the withdrawal phase again. I know everyone would benefit by bringing this nightmare to closure; the entire family has been in limbo for 2 years. There is a part of both of us that feels like we should just end things and try to make a fresh start, but there is also a part of us that wishes we could find a way through the maze - together. I am very sorry for hurting my family, and I have told them so. I would like to feel the closeness and specialness with my wife that I experienced with the OTHER woman.
Any feedback would be appreciated. I'm not a bad person, but I am suffering the consequences of doing some bad things.
C.W.
Dear Dr. Harley, Recently I have confronted my wife and found my worst fears to be true, she had an affair. Although it is over, I felt devastated. After days of asking.."how could you have done that.....why......what happened....etc." she sprang on me that she doesn't feel so bad about it because of what I did to her in the past.
I am a recovering alcoholic and have been sober for over 3 years. She says she endured all the pain and agony of living with an alcoholic and for what I did to her, she feels as if we are "even". (there was never any abuse or anything during my drinking, just the typical being left alone to handle everything while I drank).
What is hard for me is her attitude toward the affair, it is like she doesn't feel it was that bad of a thing....she actually has said she enjoyed it...got something out of it...and finally did something for herself. I guess I expected remorse and the "I'm so sorry I hurt you....etc...etc." It is very hard because when we try to discuss anything, it keeps going back to what I did. I feel that maybe my past doesn't have much to do with her going out and having the affair, but now that she's been caught, this is her only "defense", and takes the focus away from what she did.
I have taken considerable time to offer her a very formal, from the heart, apology for what I did, yet she says my apology is "too late". I feel that unless her resentment of my past behavior can be resolved, it is fruitless to deal with her affair.
Any help on this matter would be greatly appreciated.
S.C.
Most affairs don't end a marriage. But unless the marital problems that helped create the affair are resolved, an affair can sure make a marriage a lot worse than it was before the affair. The letters C.W. and S.C wrote are proof of that.
Still, after an affair is over, a couple has a window of opportunity to fix what was wrong in a way that can make their marriage better than it ever was. But one of the biggest obstacles to such a recovery is the emotional reactions left over from the affair.
Ideally, as I discussed in Part 2 of this series, an unfaithful spouse should choose to permanently separate from a lover and return to his or her spouse to rebuild the marriage. In that situation, after a period of withdrawal, both spouses usually attack the task of marriage rebuilding with a remarkable zeal. Granted, there are scars, but the fact that the unfaithful spouse was willing to abandon the lover to save the marriage is usually viewed as an appropriate first payment toward just compensation. Especially if there is willingness to make the other payments, to overcome Love Busters, do a better job meeting the victimized spouse's emotional needs, and create a more integrated lifestyle.
But because most affairs do not end with a choice to permanently separate from a lover, the recovery stage does not usually begin with much zeal. Instead, it begins with bitterness. If the affair dies a natural death (the spouse and lover simply drift away, or the lover ends it), the unfaithful spouse wakes up to find himself or herself still married, but married to a spouse who is very upset about everything that happened. How does one go about getting that kind of marriage restored?
It's very common for the spouse having the affair to feel unremorseful. And it's common for the victimized spouse to feel that it wasn't his or her fault, either. So when an affair has ended, and a couple is ready to rebuild their relationship, neither wants to take responsibility. They both look at each other as having been very selfish, and they look at themselves as having gone the extra mile, with nothing to show for it. Why apologize for something that was the other person's fault?
There is a sense in which an apology is not really necessary. The only thing that's necessary is for the couple to take appropriate steps to rebuild their relationship. But an apology can certainly make taking those steps much easier.
S.C.'s wife is not sorry she had an affair. In fact she feels that it did her some good. She "finally did something for herself." That sure sounds like her Taker, doesn't it (if you don't know what a "Taker" is, be sure to read "The Giver and the Taker" in my Basic Concepts). Her Taker is only concerned about her happiness, and not the least bit concerned about S.C.'s happiness. It was her Taker that was doing the talking for her, telling S.C. that he had it coming, after what he had put her through with all of his drinking.
Taker's don't ever apologize. But they demand it of others. It was S.C.'s Taker that wanted an apology from his wife. It remembered that S.C.'s Giver had once told his wife he was sorry for his neglect of her while he was drinking, and now it was time for his wife to apologize for her offense. But at this point in their relationship, neither of their Givers are anywhere to be found, so there is little hope for repentance.
But now that the affair is over, does it do S.C. any good to try to pry an apology out of his wife? At this point, her feelings for S.C. are not the best, and any effort on his part to try to make her feel guilty will do nothing but withdraw more love units from an already bankrupt Love Bank. His best approach is to ignore the past, and focus on what he can do to start depositing love units. The more love units he deposits, the more her Taker will drop back and allow her Giver some room to maneuver. In fact, if her Giver shows up, she may surprise S.C. with an apology for the affair without him even asking for one.
S.C.'s best course of action is to create the best marriage possible by learning how to meet his wife's emotional needs, overcome Love Busters and create a unified lifestyle where neither of them would have second secret lives that can grow into affairs.
But in spite of what I've just said, I encourage each spouse, if possible, to override their Takers' instincts and apologize to the other anyway. The unfaithful spouse should apologize for having betrayed a valuable trust, for having hurt in the worst way possible the very one he or she promised to love and cherish. The victimized spouse should also apologize for having failed to meet important emotional needs that the unfaithful spouse had been promised at the time of marriage.
Why do I encourage an apology when the Takers are adamantly opposed to offering them? Because an apology is really in order (they did, in fact, hurt each other), and it also helps settle down the Takers, as long as they both apologize. S.C.'s wife knows that she did the wrong thing when she had an affair. It's her defensive Taker that will not let her apologize. But if she could let her defenses down for one moment and honesty express her Giver's regret for what she had done, it would give S.C. some encouragement.
But once apologies are made, a couple should move on to the business of rebuilding their relationship, and not dwell on the mistakes of their past. As much as you may want to talk about the affair or about any other mistake made, remember that every conversation on those subjects withdraw love units. And a Love Bank must first be overflowing with love units before you are in a position to waste any.
In C.W.'s case, he is close to having traversed the first two stages of marital recovery after an affair. He has completed the first stage by being completely separated from his lover, and he is near the end of the second stage where he is coming to the end of withdrawal from his dependence on her. Granted, he is still depressed, but part of his depression comes from living alone, and having a feeling of hopelessness trying to get his wife's cooperation to restore their marriage.
I think that both couples are ready for the third stage of marital recovery after an affair: Rebuilding their relationships. They all seem to be willing to negotiate, and are willing to let their spouses meet their emotional needs. That means they are no longer in the state of emotional withdrawal and are firmly fixed in the state of emotional conflict (if you do not understand the terms "withdrawal" and "conflict" see "Negotiating in the Three States of Marriage"). So any attempt to make their spouses happy is likely to have its desired effect -- love units will be deposited.
These two marriages are now in a position to be restored if the spouses take the correct steps. In some ways, both couples now have the same opportunity to solve their marital problems as they did before the affairs took place. And if they had done it then, they would have avoided all of the pain that the affairs inflicted on them. They are now where most bad marriages are, burdened by Love Busters and the failure to meet important emotional needs. So if they can toss off those burdens, they will not only create the marriage they need, but also eliminate the risk of another affair.
The steps these couples should take to restore their marriages are described in my book, Fall in Love, Stay in Love. It explains how couples can identify and overcome the Love Busters, anger, disrespect and demands. It also shows couples how to meet each other's emotional needs. But most importantly, it teaches couples how to create compatibility -- how to create an integrated lifestyle where dishonesty and secret second lives are eliminated.
The solution to most marital problems requires spouses to override their Taker's instincts. Doing what you feel like doing works great when you are in love, because the Giver calls the shots. But when you are not in love, and your Taker is in charge, your instincts will make matters much worse. The Taker wants you to get angry, be disrespectful and make demands. All of those Love Busters withdraw love units and also create defenses that make depositing new ones almost impossible.
Both C.W. and S.C. find their spouse's Love Busters coming between them and the restoration of love. But I'm sure that both of them are dishing them out as well.
So the first step in the restoration of marriage after an affair is to lay down the weapons. Each spouse must make a concerted effort to avoid anger, disrespect or demands at all costs. Every time they are together, they must do whatever it takes to make the relationship safe for each other.
Once they can guarantee each other safety, by protecting each other from Love Busters, they are ready to learn to meet each other's emotional needs. But they will have to learn to negotiate all of these issues with the Policy of Joint Agreement in mind. They must begin by guaranteeing each other that the cost of a great marriage will not require personal sacrifice. It will only require a willingness not to do anything that would hurt each other. They must understand that everything they will be doing in the future must take each other's feelings into account, and safety will be the guiding rule from now on.
With personal safety as the condition for negotiation, and enthusiastic mutual agreement as the goal, a couple is ready to rebuild. But that environment of safety may take a while to create. It may be the very first skill that they will need to learn before they can negotiate satisfactory.
Getting beyond this first step -- setting a safe stage for negotiating -- may take some careful thought and planning, but one thing is for sure, negotiations that are not safe or pleasant will not give you a solution to your problem.
The second step for successful negotiation is to present the conflict to each other with each spouse trying to understand and respect the other's perspective. C.W. has a need for recreational companionship. That need may have been partially responsible for his affair, and he would like his wife to meet that need so he will not be tempted in the future. But his wife feels that their time should be spent together as a family, and if he wants to be with her, he must also include their daughters. They must both understand and respect each other's feelings about this issue if they expect to resolve it.
The third step is to brainstorm without criticizing each other's tentative solutions to the problem. They should write them all down and give themselves a chance to think about them without dismissing any of them right away.
The fourth step is to choose the solution that they both feel enthusiastic about following. In most conflicts, one of the solutions will jump out as the right one, especially if both Learn More!
"Surviving an Affair" spouses have given themselves some time to think about the entire list and about their conflicting perspectives on the problem. If no solution meets the criterion for "enthusiastic agreement, keep brainstorming.
The purpose of these four steps is to solve marital conflicts in a way that deposits love units, and avoids withdrawing them. In other words, the goal is for you and your spouse to be in love with each other. That goal is worth more than any specific decision you will make. But, you will discover, if you keep that goal in mind, your decisions will be incredibly wise because they will have the combined wisdom of both you and your spouse. That's the secret to martial reconciliation and compatibility -- to be able to resolve conflicts together in a way that meets each other's emotional needs and accommodates each other's feelings.
One final thought: How much time should be spent each week trying to reconcile? My advice is to spend as much time with each other as you can. A vacation away from friends and children is ideal because it gives you an opportunity to give each other much needed undivided attention. But remember, consistency is also important. You can't expect a three weeks vacation followed by abandonment to lead to reconciliation. So, I suggest that you spend a minimum of 15 hours each week with each other, regardless of how much time you spend in other weeks. And the time should be spent without friends, family or children, learning to meet each other's most important emotional needs.
Coping with Infidelity: Part 4 Overcoming Resentment
Introduction:This column is the last in a series on infidelity. The first was, "How do Affairs Begin," the second was "How Should Affairs End," the third was "How to Rebuild a Marriage after an Affair Has Ended," and this column is how to overcome resentment. If you have not read the other three parts of this series, you may wish to read them first (the titles in this paragraph are links to those columns).
A spouse's unfaithfulness is one of the most painful experiences anyone can have in life. So almost everyone feels betrayed, used, abandoned, and very angry when they discover that their spouse has had an affair. After all, an affair is hatched with full knowledge of how much pain it will inflict on an unsuspecting spouse after it's discovered. It reflects a wanton disregard for the feelings of someone that was supposed to have been cherished and protected for life.
The first reaction of most, after discovering a spouse's affair, is to end the marriage. Most people cannot imagine having a normal relationship after such violation of trust. And the image of a spouse making love in the arms of the lover is not only sickening, but also infuriating. Resentment is an understatement of what is actually felt whenever those memories come to mind.
But, remarkably, most affairs do not lead to divorce. In fact, most couples try to reconcile, and usually succeed, after an affair. But even after a reasonably successful reconciliation, resentment often lingers on.
You might think that after a husband and wife rebuild their love for each other after an affair, all would be forgiven. Well, all might be forgiven, but all's not forgotten. In fact, many couples find that the memory of the affair haunts them decades after it happened.
How can the memory of that affair be erased? That really can't happen, unless all memory goes along with it. But resentment that is associated with that memory can be overcome, and that's the subject of today's column.
I am posting three letters this week to illustrate what a problem resentment is for many people. As I did in all of the Q&A columns of this series, instead of posting my answers to them, following the letters I will explain how to handle resentment in this most painful situation.
Dear Dr. Harley, I recently learned that my husband had a short-lived affair a little over a year ago. I am devastated by it, and am trying to come to terms with it. I know that my reluctance to make love to him prior to his affair may have contributed to his temptation, so I am trying to do a better job fulfilling his needs. The problem is that even though I still love him very much, I can't stand for him to touch me, let alone have sex with me. Whenever we try to have sex, all I can think of is the other women he was with, and I can't continue. He says that the affair was over long ago, and I have to learn to let go of it, but because it is so new to me, I can't. What can I do to begin to heal?
B.A.
Dear Dr. Harley: My husband and I were high school sweethearts. We married right after graduation, and had our first daughter almost immediately. When our daughter was two years old, and I was 20 years old, I had sex with another man, just once, after which I felt terrible. My husband was very hurt, but we reunited and stayed together. Then, we had two more children.
After much contemplation, I feel that the reason I had sex with the other man (who I have not seen again since), was that I felt neglected and unattractive. The largest mistake I made back then, I feel, was not communicating those feelings to my husband, before I took it upon myself to be with another man to make me feel admired and attractive.
Over 10 years has passed. However, through the years, my husband has never forgotten about this. It is as fresh in his mind today as if it just happened. I feel in my heart that I have truly learned from that past experience. I was young, foolish and immature. But whenever we have a disagreement, particularly when I don't feel like having sex with him, he brings it back up. I have had to live with the reminder of my mistake, many, many times in the past 10 years.
We have had many loving, close moments since then. Along, with many arguments, always leading to my past infidelity, and the fact that I can never be trusted again. But have never separated, and have always been strong, loving parents to our children.
Please lend advice if you can. My husband is my best friend, and I know that our love runs deep for each other, as well as for our family. What can I do to help him and us get over my mistake.
S.R.
Dear Dr. Harley, I have been married to my husband for 12 years and we have three children. Three years ago he confessed that, two years earlier, he had an affair with a woman, at a company business meeting (she's from another state). I was about to discover the affair on my own when he told me about it.
After this he said that he was sorry, he didn't care for her and that it was just sex. Surprisingly, our marriage became better than ever. My attitude towards him changed and we both began to respect each other and become much more considerate of each others feelings.
Then, last year he again confessed having an affair with a woman, this time with a close friend. This affair was exposed only because the couple was going through a divorce and the husband was threatening to tell me everything. At the time I was told the affair had been over for almost a year. She says she did this to get back at her husband for having an affair earlier in their marriage.
Once again, my husband begged me to forgive him. I couldn't understand how he allowed this to happen. This second affair began before I found out about the first affair. Yet, he allowed it to continue 2-3 months after he had confessed to the first, and after we began to really work on our marriage. He says that he felt trapped and afraid that she would expose him if he denied her advances. Right!
After this second revelation, we saw a counselor who told us to be honest with each other because our marriage could not continue based on lies. At this time he confessed 4 other affairs, mostly women that I knew. By this time I was so numb I could really feel no pain.
Last but not least, he confessed that one of the women had gotten pregnant. She was a friend of mine. She didn't know if it was his or not but called him for money to get an abortion.
These four affairs took place within the first 6 years of our marriage. I feel that he has been very honest and has not hidden anything else from me.
Our marriage is wonderful now. I love him and I feel he too has realized how much he loves me. My problem is that I think of his affairs almost every day, and whenever I do, I become very angry. Once in a while, I even tell him to leave, not because I don't love him, but because I get so angry when I think about it.
I feel that none of my memories belong to me, they only remind me of the women he was with at the time. Every event - the birth of our children, Christmas, summer vacations - I associate these things with a time frame that he was sleeping with some woman.
Will I forget? How do I move on? I finally have the husband I have always wanted and needed, yet his very presence reminds me of the pain he has caused me. I love him very much. I just don't know if I can live the rest of my life with him, carrying the pain I have inside of me. I also have a very hard time believing that I can ever trust him again. Yes, now he loves me and is devoted to his family but what happens during his mid-life crisis when he's 40? I just don't feel you can be married to a person and not trust them. Isn't that a big part of the relationship?
I know that in the beginning our marriage, sex was a great factor in his having the affairs. I did not provide his sexual, emotional, or supportive needs. But I still have a problem sleeping with him. Whenever we make love I think of his unfaithfulness. I just need you to tell me that time will heal my pain. How do I continue with the man that I love, now that we have both become what each other needs?
S.K.
One of the most remarkable discoveries of my career as a marriage counselor is that marriages can thrive after infidelity. I would never have guessed it, based on my own reactions. My wife, Joyce, let me know early on that if I ever had an affair, she would not divorce me, she would KILL me (maybe that's why I have taken such extraordinary precautions to avoid it). My own reaction to an affair by Joyce would be as drastic. But I wouldn't kill her, I'd just never see or talk to her again.
That's the way almost all couples feel about infidelity before it actually happens. They can't imagine living with someone who's been unfaithful. But what people think they will do, isn't what they usually do in this case. Surprisingly enough, after the dust settles, most couples try to reconcile.
In the first three parts of this series on coping with infidelity, I have given you advice as to the best ways to recover from an affair. But an issue that I have left for last is one that can ruin an otherwise stunning recovery -- resentment.
This topic is one of the most difficult topics to address in marriage. On the one hand, resentment is a normal reaction to someone who has caused you to go through unbearable pain. It is your emotion's way of warning you to avoid people who have hurt you in the past -- they may hurt you again in the future! But, on the other hand, resentment can also be an irrational reaction to something that is no longer a real threat. In fact, resentment itself may become a greater threat to your happiness than what it is you fear.
Those who have written me understand how damaging their feeling of resentment is to their happiness and to the future of their marriage. But they seem unable to stop it. It's a great subject for a psychologist, who is supposed to know how to help people control their emotions. But, I must admit, this is a tough one.
I have answers to some parts of the problem, but not all of them. So to help you as much as I can, I will lay the problem out to you and give my advice wherever I can.
The more there is to resent, the more difficult it is to overcome resentment.
Both B.A. and S.K. think about their husband's affair when they try to make love, and it prevents them from having a fulfilling sexual experience. And they both learned about the affairs within the past few months. But there's quite a bit of difference between them. B.A. has only one affair to think about, while S.K. has six of them, many with her closest friends. As a result, other things being equal, I would expect B.A.'s resentment to fade much more quickly than S.K.'s resentment.
The resentment of B.A. and S.K. is a normal emotional reaction to the pain they suffered. The pain was directly associated with their husbands, so now, every time they make love, and lower their emotional defenses, they feel that pain all over again.
But emotional associations fade over time as long as there are no further associations with new painful events. In both cases, their husbands have not had an affair after the revelation, and so I would predict that if they have a normal recovery, where they learn to meet each other's needs, avoid Love Busters and learn to apply the Policy of Joint Agreement and the Policy of Radical Honesty to their decisions, the resentment would fade away.
If, on the other hand, either husband were to have another affair, the association would be much harder to extinguish. In fact, when a couple goes through a recovery after an affair, and then experience another affair, the resentment is often more intense and more persistent after the second recovery. With multiple affairs and recoveries, resentment is almost impossible to overcome. But then, in those cases I usually feel that the emotional reaction of resentment is not irrational at all. Emotions are telling the person that it's not a good idea to continue the relationship, and I would agree.
But there is more to resent than just the number of affairs a husband had in the past. In many cases, an affair is discovered while it's going on, and the unfaithful spouse makes matters worse by choosing to be with the lover and abandoning the spouse and children. That thoughtless act is a huge source of additional resentment for the victimized spouse. He or she not only goes through the pain of discovering the affair, but must also go through the pain of being rejected. The unfaithful spouse often moves away to be with the lover, leaving the spouse all alone to face the terror of abandonment.
Then, if all of that weren't enough, the unfaithful spouse explains that he or she needs time to "sort out" feelings, whatever that means. It actually means that the unfaithful spouse will go to the highest bidder. Whoever makes the unfaithful spouse feel the best, the lover or the spouse, will win the prize of the unfaithful spouse. So he or she spends some time with the lover, and then spends some time with the spouse. Back and forth, trying to "get in touch" with feelings. Can you fathom the resentment that would follow such a horrifying and humiliating experience?
But there's more. After vacillating back and forth a few times, the lover gets sick of it all and tosses the spouse out for good. With nowhere else to go, the unfaithful spouse comes back home. It wasn't his or her choice. It was the lover's choice. How would you feel being chosen because you were the only one left. Resentment doesn't begin to describe the feeling.
Finally, there's all the lies. Your spouse looks right into your eyes and lies to you about everything. Faced with undeniable evidence, he or she grudgingly and defensively admits to one lie after another, rarely accompanied by apologies. How can there ever be trust again?
B.A. and S.K. went through only a small number of the possible painful experiences that lead to resentment. Over time, their resentment will fade, and a passionate desire to make love to their husbands will grow. Both husbands should be patient, and give their wives a chance to overcome the worst of their resentment, before expecting much from them sexually. But a woman in love is usually a great sex partner, and I doubt that either husband will be disappointed if they do their part in meeting their wives emotional needs. I predict that within a year from now, both of these wives will have almost completely recovered from their feelings of resentment.
But if they had gone through the other experiences I had mentioned -- abandonment, vacillation between spouse and lover, returning after being rejected by the lover, and the many lies -- I would not be as optimistic about them overcoming their resentment quickly. It would take much more patience on the part of the unfaithful husbands. But even with all of this past pain and suffering, they too, could have a marriage that would be relatively free of resentment.
Some people are better at remembering than others
I read recently that estrogen replacement significantly improves memory in women. Great! That's all I need. A wife that can do an even better job remembering everything I've ever done to offend her.
It's true that the better your memory, the more difficult it will be to overcome resentment. That's because resentment is tied to memories, and if you forget the painful event, the resentment is lost along with it. One of the reasons I'm not so keen on dredging up the past as a part of therapy is that it brings up memories that carry resentment along with them. If I'm not careful, a single counseling session can open up such a can of worms that the presenting problem gets lost in a flood of new and painful memories. If the goal of therapy is to "resolve" every past issue, that seems to me to be a good way to keep people coming for therapy for the rest of their lives. That's because it's an insurmountable goal. We simply cannot resolve everything that's ever bothered us.
Instead, I tend to focus my attention on the present and the future, because they are what we can all do something about. The past is over and done with. Why waste our effort on the past when the future is upon us. Granted, it's useful to learn lessons from the past, but if we dwell on the past, we take our eyes off the future which can lead to disaster.
I personally believe that therapy should focus most attention, not on the past, but on ways to make the future sensational. And when a spouse comes to me with unresolved feelings of resentment about something their spouse did in the past, I tend to put it on hold and focus on issues that prevent mistakes of the past from recurring. I ask them to trust my judgment, and see what happens to the resentment when the marriage has a chance to become fulfilling. In almost every case, resentment fades, as I predicted. While the painful memories are not entirely forgotten, the most recent marital experiences which are fulfilling and enjoyable, dominate a person's thinking, and resentment becomes weak and infrequent.
Recovery may not be complete
Resentment usually appears when an experience of the present reminds us of a painful experience of the past. For example, if a wife had been abandoned by her husband after a fight on a vacation, left to find her way home alone from Jamaica, the resentment of that experience would pop up whenever her husband walks out the door during an argument. Very often, continuing resentment means that whatever it was that caused the painful experience is still lurking in the background. And it jumps out every once in a while when evidence of it's existence surfaces.
The procedure for recovery that I suggest usually eliminates the root causes of infidelity, and that makes it unlikely that present experiences will remind a spouse of experiences associated with an affair. If the only time you feel resentment about a spouse's past affair is when your needs have not been met, when your spouse is engaged in a Love Buster, or when the Policy of Joint Agreement or Policy of Radical Honesty has not been followed, then it's the completion of recovery that's your problem, not resentment.
Using resentment as a way to control and punish a spouse
I'm convinced that what's kept the resentment of S.R.'s husband alive for so many years is that he has found it to be an effective way to control and punish her whenever she doesn't do what he wants. Whenever they have a fight, he brings it up, and it causes her such guilt that it gives him a decided advantage in winning the argument.
By this time, I don't believe that her affair is the problem that she thinks it is. Instead, it is an issue that her husband is using to get the upper hand in his relationship with her. It probably shows up the most whenever she has been reluctant to have sex with him. It throws her off balance whenever he mentions it, and makes her feel guilty, wanting to make it up to him somehow. He may also bring it up whenever she is winning in a power struggle he is having with her.
What she describes to me in her letter is abuse, pure and simple. There is no excuse for the way her husband keeps bringing up her moment of weakness she experienced years ago. He is disrespectful and abusive.
I suggest that she look him right in the eye and say to him, "Listen Buster, do you love me? Do you want me to love you? Do you want to spend the rest of your life with me? If the answers to any of those questions is 'yes' you sure are going about it the wrong way. You are not doing things that I admire, you're doing things that I find disgusting!"
What if he says, "Fine, then lets just get a divorce and end it all."
To that I would say, "It's up to you. I married you for life, but if you want a divorce, it's your call. If you want to be in a love relationship with me, however, you're going to have to treat me much better than you have been treating me. You must never again bring up my affair, and if you are upset with me, you will have to treat me with respect until we can solve the problem. If you are upset with our sexual relationship, I want us to discuss it as adults and solve it with mutual respect. I refuse to be treated like this, especially by the man I love."
My advice to her husband is to never mention her affair again. It's a good example of one of the enemies of good conversation, dwelling on past mistakes. Whenever you keep bringing up your spouses past mistakes, you not only make your conversations incredibly unpleasant, but it cannot possibly lead to a resolution of a conflict you may be discussing. And as soon as his resentment doesn't pay him any dividends -- no longer helps him get his way -- he will find that it hardly ever occurs to him.
Hanging on to an unpleasant thought because it helps us somehow is what psychologists call "secondary gain." It means that even though the thought is unpleasant, it gets you something you need, so your mind keeps it around for its usefulness. There are many unpleasant thoughts that have this characteristic, and I have helped many people let them go by helping them destroy the usefulness of the thought. Making sure that S.K.'s husband never gets what he wants by bringing up her affair will help him overcome his resentment.
Other considerations
I'm running out of room to adequately address all aspects of resentment about affairs (I try to keep these Q&A columns reasonably brief), but there are a few other important topics that I will briefly mention.
One topic is loss of trust. How can a spouse ever trust an unfaithful partner again? My answer is that the spouse should never have been trusted in the first place. I shouldn't be trusted by my wife, and I shouldn't trust her. The fact is that we are all wired for infidelity, and under certain conditions, we'll all do it. The way to protect your marriage from something that has been common to man (and women) for thousands of years is to recognize the threat, and do something to prevent it from happening. Basing a marriage on the Policy of Radical Honesty and the Policy of Joint Agreement goes a long way toward preventing an affair. Being each other's favorite leisure-time companions, and not being away from each other overnight are also important safety measures. Meeting each other's most important emotional needs, avoiding Love Busters and building an integrated lifestyle, free of secret second lives, are all ways to affair-proof your marriage. With these measures in place, we end up trusting our spouses because an affair becomes almost impossible to achieve.
Another topic that I will briefly mention is obsessive thinking. Some people feel that if they stop thinking about something terrible, it will happen to them. While it's not all that common, it effects certain people known to be obsessive, where regardless of the low probability of risk, they treat some thoughts as if they were an ever-present danger. Those who compulsively wash their hands for fear of being infected by germs are an example of this type of person. The solution to their problem often lies in medication that helps them overcome obsessive thoughts and compulsive behavior. There are some very effective medical remedies that a doctor trained in obsessive thinking can prescribe that often help a person rid themselves of pervasive resentment regarding an affair.
Admittedly, I have not covered resentment regarding an affair completely. But it's a start. If your problem with resentment is not covered in this column, e-mail me issues that you are still struggling with, and I will try to help you with them.
Resentment seems insurmountable when an affair is first discovered, and as it unfolds, with its attending lies and thoughtless acts, it's amazing that anyone can actually overcome resentment. But it's a fact that people usually do, especially when the core problems leading to infidelity are resolved. It's a good illustration of how our instincts lead us astray when trying to resolve our marital problems. Most of us cannot imagine overcoming resentment after a spouse's affair, but those who have gone through it know that it's not only possible, but it's likely that resentment will fade away.
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would he come here? Maybe talking to some other FWSes would help.
I know that 8 monts out was really hard for me. With renewed contact it must be even harder.
Because he saw her, spoke and emailed her, he is might very well have to go through withdrawal again. That really sucks, huh?
That is why No Contact is so important. That is why many couples have to move away to salvage their marriages.
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We have been going on date night...We are doing things as family...We are communicating our feelings and not making assumptions..We are having conversations...We are reconnecting in the bedroom...I have changed a lot I use to be very passive and I allowed other people to make up my mind and choices for me out of guilt or whatever...but now I am doing what is right for me and my family...I have found a strength i never knew i had...We went to marriage and individual counseling for about 4 months after d-day and I still go to IC occasionally...but he doesn't think we need to go anymore..he thinks we communicate well and we don't need that...I am not sure what O and H statements are...I do try to make him see who she is and understand why he feels certain way...I don't know what else to do...
"because his withdrawal doesn't seem to be on course" What did you mean by this statement...
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O&H are "Openness & Honesty". I hope you got a chance to read what jmwc95 quoted from Dr. Harley.
[color:"#39395A"]***Well, it's sort of hard to still wonder if you were consolation prize in the midst of being cherished.*** - Noodle[/color]
Devastation Day: Aug 26, 2004 [color:"#2964d8"]"I think we have come out on the other side... meaning that we love each other more than we ever did when we loved each other most." [/color] [color:"#7b9af7"] ~Archibald MacLeish[/color]
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How do i respond when he says he believes love is just a feeling...I asked him why he loved her and he says it was just a feeling...I think love is a feeling but it goes beyond that...You have to show someone you love them and during the affair he wasn't showing either one of us that he loved either of us...His reason for having the affair is she came on to him...he felt he had an attraction to her and they had been friends...so he thought they may have something so he wanted to find out...Is that really it and is that a good enough excuse...I really feel he has a lot to learn when it comes to relationships and I don't think he wants other people to tell him how to think...that is why he won't read books, do research...can we survive without him doing any of this...
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Get him to read SAA and HNHN. It is all in the way you approach it. Don't tell him he needs to read it, but rather tell him it would mean a lot to you to read it because it has really helped you. Ask him to read it as a Christmas present to you. Tell him you are only asking him because you love him so much and want to have the happiest marriage possible with him. There are ways to get people to do what you want, and there are ways to get them to resist doing what you want as well. Make sure you approach the subject the right way.
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Love is a choice- he chose to love her- he can choose to love you.
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i know love is a choice but how can i get him to understand that without being demading or love busting...
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i know love is a choice but how can i get him to understand that without being demading or love busting... You can't. Why not choose to respect his choice to believe and think whatever he wants? ~ Marsh
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How long was the affair? After eight months, I would have thought he would be through withdrawal...doesn't sound like MC helped much...why did you guys quit before he got to real whys and permissions for shattering your marriage?
My H didn't want to read or study...he was raised that there is no problem if you don't talk about it...he would, however, enjoy me reading aloud to him. Luckily for us, we stayed in MC for more than a year...with IC...and my H remains in it...which gave us exercises to do, a place to come together when we hit huge stuff...and an ongoing love deposit for commitment to ourselves and our marriage.
Also, he would listen to books on cd in his car...and now enjoys listening to fiction as well as self-help.
What you believe is valid...worth stating. Sounds like you know love is a belief...we believe we love and act on our belief...love as a verb. The resulting feeling can come from our own loving actions and recognizing others love us by choice, as well...and act on it. Your belief is valid. His is his...leaves you know protection, no protection for your marriage...unless he chooses to be faithful, loving, supportive and protective of your marriage, then your marriage remains vulnerable to his feelings...which are temporary, from him and about him, from his beliefs...and living from feelings is like living in a loop, isn't it?
Getting set that you can't make him see anything he doesn't choose to see...believe, think, feel or perceive anything he doesn't choose to...would stand you better, firmer in reality, with less struggling within yourself.
Openness and Honesty statements are you stating your stuff with "I" statements...intimacy is knowing and sharing who you really are...O&H statements is what I call the sharing part. "I fear you believing you live from your feelings. Human feelings come and go. I feel extraordinarily vulnerable."
Owns how you feel...not to get him to change how he feels...but to share yourself. What you're feeling.
"I compare myself to OW. You compared me during your A, weighed your feelings for us. I want to stop comparing myself to OW. I know I was and am your wife. The one you vowed to in front of witnesses. I need your help."
Whatever your truth is...share it with him. Your triggers...own them...state them when they occur and then let them go...if you have to check his cell phone, do so...I did in front of my FWH...I said, "I need to do this. I had a gut feeling." Each time he sat there and watched me, knew it was my fear, I got a love deposit because he wasn't stopping me, putting me down or mocking me...or feeling attacked. Showed I was working on my own stuff, too.
I acknowledged many times his sharing..."Thank you for sharing with me." I didn't go to judge his stuff...though I was in the deep habit of it...I focused on him sharing instead of withholding. He worked through his feelings...took a great while...up to a year...and only in the last two months has he gotten angry at OW's part...her manipulation (like his) and how she conspired to rob our marriage along with him...he felt pain and anger realizing that what he shared with her could not be shared with me.
No amount of pointing out stuff changed his mind...time and awareness...falling in love with me again and understanding boundaries in marriage has...
Saying, "We're in this together. We are healing, recovering and going to thrive, together" was crucial for me. And for him. Marriage is the same team...even when we don't feel like being on our partner's team, we can still choose to be on the marital one.
(I got interrupted and others posted about love being a choice...remember what MM said and add "respect what he believes and thinks" right now. Just for right now, that's what he thinks and feels...does that help?
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LA, the renewed contact might be what has caused the withdrawal to not follow the pattern. They were doing pretty good, I think when he ran into the OW at a store. He talked to her there and then emailed her. It is like they have started over on day one again.
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I have a new dilemma today...Yesterday my husband found out that he needs to go for training for a week in either Jan or the end of Feb...It will either be in Calf., Illinois, or Boston....It is not mandatory but recommended for his job and they would be paying for all the expenses...It will possibly up his pay and help in future jobs if he ever leaves this one...We discussed it and he wanted to know my concerns...I told him I have a hard enough time trying to regain trust with him hear so it would be really hard to trust him there...He feels sometimes when we are discussing situations it comes off as him asking my permission...I told him it was not that we are a team and we need to make decisions as a team...I know this would help his career but I just don't feel very comfortable with it, but if I say no he will probably end up resenting...He has a lot of issues with selfishness in relationships...He has been working on it but sometimes it is still there...I just don't know how to go about this whole situation
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Policy of Joint Agreement
Brainstorm ways that he can go, but at the same time still make you feel secure. Do you want him to call you every hour that he is up there? Could you go up there with him? You need to sit down and think of ways that you will both be okay with this decision.
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I don't think I would be comfortable unless I go with him and when I suggested that he did not seem very happy...He told me I would be alone all day from 8-5 while he was in class and that we would have to pay for my plane ticket and find someone to be with our young children for a week
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Keep brainstorming. Maybe he will come around and have you join him. Let him know how important this is to you. Don't say, "I need to go because I don't trust you," but instead say, "please, it would make me feel so much more secure to join you."
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i just registered to give you an idea that a couple of companies that i've worked for allow. often changing flight dates to fly on weekend will lower the price enough so that the total of 2 tickets on the new dates will be less or only a little more than the ticket his company would buy. ie) his ticket might be $500 but by flying on a weekend, you might be able to get 2 tickets for $600 total. so the company will pay him $500 and you'll only need $100. also i think friday night stays at a hotel often drops the rate too and present money saving opportunities. it might be something to explore and even research so he can present to his company.
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SNR, I absolutely LOVE my husband going on business trips - with me in tow.
I consider the money it costs an investment in our marriage.
Don't you have family to take care of the kids?
To cut costs, you can carry some cereal bars, fruit, etc for you to have in the room.
You can so make the evenings worth his while, if you know what I mean <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
Personally, I love sleeping late and thoroughly enjoy walking in new towns. I have a blast finding art museums and out of the way places.
These trips turn into great low cost vacations for me and we so enjoy being together on them
Sure, he has to go to meetings, trainings, whatever. He does that, I do my thing and we have the nights to enjoy one another.
Right after d-day, we had one in your town. It was very good for us to be without kids, without the normal things.
Encourage him to think of it as a time of renewal for the two of you.
Hang in there, SNR. You're going to make it.
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