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Here's your sicth as I see it,

1. Your W is seeing OM and blatantly throwing it in your face.

2. you have exposed and are getting zero support from anyone except here.

3. you have no children

4. OM is saying the right thing but is blatantly still seeing her anyway

5. Now she has an STD or preg or whatever.

6. You trying to do Plan A and of she is deeper in the fog than ever because contact with OM continues.

7. you have had a nice conversation or two after her work a couple of times.
but only as friends.

I don't see many positives there but then that's the way these things go.


So where does that leave you in your thinking at this point?

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Since you have already told her that you will not be picking up her lease, why not get some boxes today and let her see you packing? Oh...ask her if OM is the one that gave her the STD. Could be the reason for her pensive mood yesterday. Maybe she had second thoughts about her relationship with the OM, since it appears that she is not his only woman.

As for any violence against the OM...don't. Not worth a felony battery charge. Check and see if you live in a state that allows suits for alienation of affection. That would be alot better than kicking his a$$.

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As for any violence against the OM...don't. Not worth a felony battery charge. Check and see if you live in a state that allows suits for alienation of affection. That would be alot better than kicking his a$$.

That is the best approach. But then he doesn't need to know what you are thinking. Could just be that he might regret what he gets in the end if he ends up getting her!!!!

What do they say?? "Be carefull what you wish for"


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As for any violence against the OM...don't. Not worth a felony battery charge. Check and see if you live in a state that allows suits for alienation of affection. That would be alot better than kicking his a$$.

That is the best approach. But then he doesn't need to know what you are thinking. Could just be that he might regret what he gets in the end if he ends up getting her!!!!

What do they say?? "Be carefull what you wish for"

I am in a state that allows an allienation of affection suit. I also have a good lead on his parents and if I can get the number (should have it by this afternoon), I will call them and let them know the situation.

You are right, I said too much. Won't happen again.


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Just to shed some light. I know about the fog, etc..but I found a list of emotions my WW wrote down.

Anger
Frustrated
Depressed
Excited
Scared
Sad
Resentful

Any insight as to what might be going through her head?


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Alright, I got his parents contact info. It helps that his father is a pilot. Just pulled his name and address from the FAA Database and the address matched one of the OM's previous address.

I am going to make the call to his parents today. Any advice on how to start the conversation would be appreciated.


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This is a letter I wrote OM's parents. I wouldn't get this detailed, but it will give you an idea of the key points.

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Dear Mr. and Mrs. *****,

I want to thank you for taking the time out to talk to me on Saturday. I know I told you something that you definitely did not want to hear. I know that you are skeptical if it is actually the truth. I am going to include all of my proof in this letter. OM may say that WW is already getting a divorce and the affair has nothing to do with it, but as you can tell by her journal entry the affair is the reason for wanting to end the marriage. Sure our marriage was not perfect, but my love for her is. If the affair would end, we would definitely be able to work out our marriage. I love WW with all my heart. She is my best friend and the thought of losing her just tears me up inside. We have been together for over 6 years and been married over 3 years.

WW and OM first hung out in May and they became friends, chatting often at work. They became too good of friends and started hanging out together by themselves. By July, they were involved in a full blown affair. July 28th, WW spent the night at his apartment. I didn’t let them hang out together by themselves after that, and I thought that it would end shortly when OM left for Boston. It didn’t. WW started calling him for hours on the phone daily. She said she was going on a trip with her friends to New York, but I suspected otherwise. I intercepted an email where she invited him to stay with her in her hotel room. He accepted. I confronted her with the information, and she said she wanted a separation. I foolishly agreed, and the affair got stronger and stronger while I was gone. I moved back in after she got back from New York, but the damage was already done. She said nothing happened, but I confronted OM the other day, and he said that they made out and engaged in heavy petting. He seemed unapologetic saying that he liked her, wasn’t going to cut off contact with her, and hoped that they would end up together. WW finally admitted the depth of their affair, and said that she was planning to file for divorce and look for a job in Boston. I am a good Catholic who does not believe in divorce, and I am going to use all my resources to keep that from happening. She is caught up in the affair, and it is like an addiction. Only if the affair were to end could she think and see clearly. I will include some information about these types of affairs.

I love my wife with all of my heart, and I am going to continue to fight for her. OM is single handedly ruining my life, my marriage, and my family. I ask you as a Christian to do what you can to get him to end the affair. In romantic affairs, it is often the other man who has to end the affair, and pressure from family is the biggest reason that usually happens. I’m not judging OM as a person, he seems like a nice guy, but he is caught up in this affair as well. Most relationships born of affairs are doomed to fail. There is no way that OM and WW could last once the euphoria of the new relationship wears off. Please help him come to his senses and see the damage that he is doing to himself, WW, and me. I pray that you can help me. The pain I am feeling inside is so intense. Please make OM end the affair. That means NO CONTACT with WW ever again. Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,

BS


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Thanks, JMWC

I just wonder how to start the conversation on the phone.
I came home from work this morning to find her gone, but everyone's car is where they are supposed to be parked.
It appears she is upstairs with him at the moment. I only here what appears to be one person, but who knows (I do).
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Oh, I did go upstairs and knocked on the door, but received no answer.


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Stand outside the door and wait for her to come out. Snap a photo, and you can use it for your AOA lawsuit.


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Stand outside the door and wait for her to come out. Snap a photo, and you can use it for your AOA lawsuit.

Good idea, but I need to leave for work in a few minutes. I was supposed to go at noon, but pushed it back until 2pm today. I think I got home earlier than she expected me to this morning, so she is waiting until the coast is clear.

I wish I had some sort of listening device so I could hear better. Cups to the ear just don't cut it!!


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call the police... tell them you are concerned for your w's safety and heard her voice coming from that room... when you knocked ... no one answered.

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Df,

Just had another thought. I know MIL is not answering your calls but have you had a face to face conversation with her. You are her SIL and she has helped you both in the past. Just maybe she should hear the story from you to get the whole picture. Might give her pause to think that she would do better to help you save your M rather than being enableing to her D in her A.

I think it would be worth the effort to give it a try at least. What can she do but say no. You would have given it a shot at least and it is possible if you really did a good job of laying it out for her you might gain an ally.

I think one of the others said to tell MIL that she is with a drugged out junkie with a criminal record that he has given her a STD or she may preg. Is that the kind of person she would want for her D and possibly father of her grandchildren. Tell her you want better than that for her even if she does not end up with you. Because you really do love her!!!!


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Where is FIL? Anywhere close? I know if my son was in this kind of sitch he wouldn't put me off for very long by not taking my call. I would be flying to where ever he is and he would hear me like it or not!!!!!!!!

That's what fathers do. IMO

Putting our head in the sand doesn't help our children.

Our children at any age need to hear sage advice from those of us who have been there and done that. I know I did over and over...

Is that what he wants for his D? To do to her family like her mother did to him??? He needs to hear this I think. His avoiding conflict has been a big part of this picture evidently from the beginning and has allowed daughter to act like mother. He really could have some influence if he would make the effort.


He also needs to hear that she is with a Drugged out junky with a criminal record that has already given her an STD or has her Preg. With his track record he will probably end up dumping her and to go off with another GF or leave her destitute and with children to care for on her own. Is this the future he wants for his D? Really?????? Oh yeah and it could get alot worse than that.

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Please send him this message from me.

I am a father that has also been through a similar sitch as his except we have continued to make it work because I wouldn't walk away. Nope, No Way, Nada, Not in this Lifetime!!!!!!!!!! Just stubborn I guess.

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BTW great job on getting the info on the OM. Expose Hard!!!!!

Jim's letter Great stuff.

Get busy and get physical proof Pictures fo them coming and going etc. and start the AOA lawsuit asap. That was why I suggested the PI first thing.

Oh yeah are you getting anything like TM's, e mails, cell phone records it all helps build the case. I'm not the one to ask but others can tell you how you can get this info.

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JBFC, 'food!

If it were me (and it's not)

I'd

get

out!


If you don't want 2, then post 2 Orchid for some advice on reverse babble.

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Df,

Just had another thought. I know MIL is not answering your calls but have you had a face to face conversation with her. You are her SIL and she has helped you both in the past. Just maybe she should hear the story from you to get the whole picture. Might give her pause to think that she would do better to help you save your M rather than being enableing to her D in her A.

I think it would be worth the effort to give it a try at least. What can she do but say no. You would have given it a shot at least and it is possible if you really did a good job of laying it out for her you might gain an ally.

I think one of the others said to tell MIL that she is with a drugged out junkie with a criminal record that he has given her a STD or she may preg. Is that the kind of person she would want for her D and possibly father of her grandchildren. Tell her you want better than that for her even if she does not end up with you. Because you really do love her!!!!

Her email address changed, so that's why it was bounced back to me several times. I got the new one day and sent her a pretty detailed letter, but I forgot to include the STD thing. A follow up is on order. She hasn't returned my calls, but that is nothing new for her...she is terrible at doing that.

As for a face to face, my MIL is 2500 miles away.

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Where is FIL? Anywhere close? I know if my son was in this kind of sitch he wouldn't put me off for very long by not taking my call. I would be flying to where ever he is and he would hear me like it or not!!!!!!!!

That's what fathers do. IMO

Putting our head in the sand doesn't help our children.

Our children at any age need to hear sage advice from those of us who have been there and done that. I know I did over and over...

Is that what he wants for his D? To do to her family like her mother did to him??? He needs to hear this I think. His avoiding conflict has been a big part of this picture evidently from the beginning and has allowed daughter to act like mother. He really could have some influence if he would make the effort.


He also needs to hear that she is with a Drugged out junky with a criminal record that has already given her an STD or has her Preg. With his track record he will probably end up dumping her and to go off with another GF or leave her destitute and with children to care for on her own. Is this the future he wants for his D? Really?????? Oh yeah and it could get alot worse than that.

Somebody needs to Man Up Here. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

Please send him this message from me.

I am a father that has also been through a similar sitch as his except we have continued to make it work because I wouldn't walk away. Nope, No Way, Nada, Not in this Lifetime!!!!!!!!!! Just stubborn I guess.

I'll contact the FIL again and tell him what needs to be done and to get off his A&* and do it.


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Here is a question.
I am about to go over to a friend's house to use his phone to contact the OM's parents. I don't want it on our phone statement.

If his parents are able to convince him to break contact, my WW will ask me if I had anything to do with it, as in who I talked to. What should I say?


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Yep,

IMO Others here may disagree. But I would say yes because she will find out anyway. You just simply say "I am trying to save our M because I Love You. I will do everything I can to expose the truth to anyone that can help me do that."

"A marriage can only have two in it."

There are others better able to help with this than I maybe they will jump in.

You need to learn some Reverse Babble.


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