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It is about the question of withdrawal.........WW came to me about 3 wks ago and cried in my office saying that she gave me an option.....wheather to be with her or not. "I has been thru so much and lost so much" she said.

"How will i know that you wont use this against me in the future" and to really think about all she had done and decide if i want her back again........to give her an answer that night.

well i told her that i am coming home to my wife and child and only God will stop me otherwise.

The next day she asked me if i was sure and i told her a million percent........this is all three weeks ago.

Now she doesnt want to get professional councilling, she stays up till 3-4:00 AM (has to get up by 6 for a full day work).

Some time fing fault with things i try to do. No feeling to respect of trying on her part.

"the feeling of frustration.that i can love her even when she sees dirt in the mirror. That she cannot love me as i have given to her."

"Why do i want to be with her. when i deserve better.......Its your fault.If we had left Jamaica and migrated this might not have happened, etc."

Let me make it clear........Plan A has become a way of life for me. Its normal. So with DS saying i am the greatest daddy in the world i am happy.LOVE my little tyke.

As for WW i DONT search her phones, I dont want to know where she has been, I AM NOT following up and snooping around........However, she tells me about all her travels and every phone call that i happen to hear coming in.

As if i was her parole officer. We dont have sex. (well not in the last 5 weeks) and i dont feel any desire to. I am now thinking that if SF does happen she might fantasize about OM. It kills me.

She sometimes looks sorta depressed, and tries to busy herself as if her mental health depends on it.

In a deeep discussion with her i told her that "being a man does not depend on a woman's character, being a H dosent depends on a W, a H is just one by its very definition." then the cruncher........I told her that i will not ask her to love me or beg her to be with me........i Love her with all my heart and will not demand for her to love me.

Do what you want.......You will have a choice to make.

You see i have become independent and unfortunately hardened.....I love her but dont need her.

She is still here and she comes home but tries to avoid time together and just want to keep things light. I cook, i clean, i take care of my DS and doing a heck of a job........So here she claim to call it a day with married OM, and just trying to keep things light.

Is she in depression? Is this action normal? why does she keep calling me when i am out on assignments?

Why am i beginning NOT to care what happen anymore?

she is like a walking dead.....So officially i put it at approx 1 month since they decided to(if at all) to call it quits.....run its course? i dont know dont care.

I cried this morning in my office(good ole' quiet place.

Please advise me.

from a FWW POV. Thanks

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Hey NC,

Good to see your still around.

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she is like a walking dead.....So officially i put it at approx 1 month since they decided to(if at all) to call it quits.....run its course? i dont know dont care.


What do you mean since they decided to call it quits?

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Why am i beginning NOT to care what happen anymore?


Your not getting anything from her such as EN met. You said that she is like the walking dead. Not able to give anything.


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Hi NC

lets get straight into it.

First, coming home was the RIGHT thing to do for ALL of you.

The reason why you don’t need her anymore is because you have had to survive by yourself and this is a survival response in the circumstances of the affair. Its what happened to my H and he has never left that mode actually.
It need not be a negative as in fact I found it to be easier for me to cope post affair when I realised (with help from counselor) that we wouldn’t fall apart if I got things wrong every now and then.
It works for us others I couldn’t say.

Depressed and in withdrawal? YES most certainly she is IF there really is no contact and from what you describe of her giving you a blow by blow report of what she does each day is so much what I did as well. I was desperate for my H to believe me, frantic in fact.
However at the same time, I felt I was the lowest piece of scum in the world. I couldn’t bear to go hold him because I felt so full of shame, like I infected with some loathsome disease and didn’t even think he wanted me at all. It wasn’t even self pity as I was way too depressed to get to that point. Self pity comes later <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />
It is in fact very self destructive behaviour and I would urge you to have her see a doctor for anti depressants. I was very resistant but didn’t have the energy to really fight it and eventually went along with it reluctantly. But boy oh boy did it help. However I was then so ashamed for having to use them .... messed up mind of a recovering WS.

Now counseling is and should be a PRIME condition of rebuilding the M or creating a new M.
In fact that is the way my MC got me to buy into it. My old M was dead,
D E A D,
so lets work on creating a new M that won’t fall apart and that is able to survive the stress of just living and surviving in this world.
To say I was happy about going to MC & personal C is no way near the truth. I think you could see my finger marks in the bitumen all the way there. I went because most of my family made me if I am honest, & my H made it a condition of us staying together. If my H wasn’t available to take me one of them just arrived and said ‘in the car’ and I went.
Though it didn’t take too long to wanting to go. I saw light at the end of the tunnel. But God it hurt to face myself.

No it did not take away my shame, or guilt, I still feel that but not as intense, it no longer is able to control my behaviour and feelings. But its there. Thats ok because it helps me remember what I have to loose.
I think your wife is in this stage of guilt, remorse and shame and feels so like a piece of [censored]. She simply cannot see any hope or future happiness right now. That is why she may need antidepressants.
I guess there is a chance that she is still seeing the OM & is constantly in & out of withdrawal if it goes on for months and months.
I do think you may need to find that out. Perhaps by finding out what the OM is doing. It will then give you some clear idea of how to respond. Unless you are convinced she is being truthful and accept the risk because its always a risk I guess for any BS.
So in short I suggest you firmly and kindly insist she and you both go to counseling .....what about the Harleys over the phone?????????????? Yes I know it may be expensive being OS but a D will be a LOT more expensive and not just in $$$. This method may be one she would go for as well.

pls ask any questions you want nc, I’ll try to answer as well as I can.

thinking of you both and praying for success


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AW - Thanks for always being here. You are an inspiration.

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M2L,

Will continue to be here.......just got a bit overloaded lastyear and decided to stop a bit.

Thanks for remembering me.........dont feel so good right now.

Thinking of calling it a day with WW.

She doesnt call OM on cell phone(no records of it) but who is to say that she doesnt contact him at work?

anyways i asked her to let us spend more time with each other........then she says that she doesnt know why she said she loves me or anything folling that day.

Thinking of walking.............believe me M2.....i tried.

i am just not good enough......

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AW, thank you so much for your insight. You know i cant understand for the life of me .......why does a WW will want to demonize you and hurt you.

Even after all the changes she compliments you on.

She said that her father abused her, then her brother......then me.
said i did it when we had argunents. I said i dont recall that. she said about 6 YEARS AGO!!!!!...........one argument. As if she is making me feel guilty.

Yesterday i said hey lets"SF" her reply............"Sorry i cant help you."

been over 2 months.........then this morning she is talking to me as if i was her close friend. She did mentioned about looking in the mirror and feeling like a wh**e. That her father said to her that she would be nothing more than a wh**e when she grows up......and thats what she told her classmates growing up.

You see...i cant walk from somebody like that...Yet i feel like i am facing the retribution that she wants to visit on Men on a whole.

I dont need this anymore..............i wont fight for her anymore.

I would love to.but i have just run out of compassion.
I turn her over to whatever she fancies......me? i will look after our DS.

AW the only reason i asked you is that do WW get it? do they understand what they have done b4 they pass on?

How can a woman be so vicious to someone that want to love her inspite of everything?

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while still a WW no she will NOT get it. Even in the early stages of recovery it may take some time for a FWS to admit wrong, to be remorseful, to be sorry for what they have done.
I guess some NEVER get it.

if she is not getting defogged nc it would lead me to suspect contact of some kind, even passive contact, seeing OM in the street or work or wherever, maybe not even talking, but contact of some kind probably is going on.

your wife certainly appears from your comments to have self esteem issues by the sound of it and it may help for her to get some professional help on that. Maybe a MC and a C for her issues?? would she consider that? Have you tried getting the Harleys on the phone and seeing if that will help for MC?

I would recommend that YOU seek the Harleys advice though as they seem to have a very good instinct of situations based on their experience. It may help you to decide if, or when or how you may try to bring back your wife.

As for being tired & wanting to give up (which by the way is ok you know because thats a legitimate choice too) , maybe and thats why I say you should speak to the Harleys, maybe its time for Plan 'B' for you, but I would hesitate to advise it without professional advice.

NC perhaps its time to get that final advice before you say "enough".

And yes I do think one day she will scream in despair at what she has done, only you may not be there to help her through that. Sometimes its too late.
But don't give up yet. get that advice
wishing you all the best


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AW from the tropical isles of the caribbean........thank you.

Just the encouragement not to give up just yet make a world of difference to me.

Nuff luv from Jamaica

P.S.

Your cricket team really mean business!!!

when they are NOT playing the West indies.......we say go Aussies.

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Cricket team - how do you get the little jerseys on them anyway??? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

NC007 - are you sure of NC? If so, how long ago was the last contact? I don't how if you know my sitch now, but about 4 months after my wife had NC with OM she just crashed on day. I won't get into it here, but that crash was the day she came out of the fog for good. My point is that it was 4 months after NC for her.

What is your time line?


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i put it at 4 weeks

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OK - then this is very new for her and WD should be going on strong. This is where you need to dig deep and help her thru this. Trust me on this - it is so worth it when she comes thru it and you see her old eyes agian.

Don't give up now. This is so close to getting better for you two. hang on there and keep up the good / hard work. The end is near and you don't want to let up now.

This is not just a pep talk, it is your life right now.


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NC,

This is what happens when there is continued contact, there is continued withdrawal. Is there any way that you can implement a foolproof system that would prevent her from making further contact? She is still addicted to OM, and will continue to be as long as she is able to contact him. OM is currently married, right? Maybe you could go into plan B if you find evidence of contact again. You wouldn't even have to really worry about her running into OM's arms again as long as his W was watching him (does she know?). I think you need to have patience and continue to meet her needs with no LBs, but have more firm consequences if/when she starts getting wayward. Maybe you could use skype to call Dr. Harley on his radio show.


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D-Days - 8/25/06 (EA), 11/3/06 (PA)
NC agreed to - 11/8/06
NC broken - 11/28/06, 12/16/06, 1/18/07, 1/26/07, 1/27/07
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It's time for PLAN B, NC....

Sounds like to me that you are at the exact same place you were MONTHS ago....


I made it happen..a joyful life..filled with peace, contentment, happiness and fabulocity.
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Thanks ...that is what i was planning until i got this letter......anyone care to comment?

I know you do I wish I could love you again the way you love me. But I
do know that u love me......i will hold on to your belief in me even if
I don't believe in myself. I care about you a whole lot, you are my
best friend and I would totally miss u if anything should happen to you.
Keep smiling and being strong, I am proud of you and will always be
proud of you and I believe in you and will always believe in you.

Love

****(WW)

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sorry still cant spek fog or otherwise.
Got her to slowly start praying with me though.

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Sounds like she's in withdrawal, but headed in the right direction.

-ol' 2long

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I'd say in the depth of despair right now because she is in withdrawal from OM and the affair. It may take a number of weeks but it SOUNDS like its going in the right direction.

2long gave good advice..stick in there BUT you have been around this place before and it makes me think she definitely was in contact before.. now???? who knows??? ears to the ground, eyes open while still helping her

If improvement does not happen...get professional advice over phone from Harleys and consider plan B or whatever they say because you know that means contact.

On Cricket ... isn't great to see some of the teams improve so much? well ..not too much lol

<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Come on Aussies come on come on hehehhe <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />


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