My husband and I went to the movie 300 ( I don't recommend it). Anyway, a woman sleeps with another man to save the life of her husband. Now in the movie it's assumed to be rape. However, it got my husband and I discussing and he thinks any sin should be allowable to save a spouse's life. I disagree. So I just wanted to know what everyone's ideas on the subject are, cuz he's taking this very seriously. Thanks!

The question s/b why would one put themselves in a position to play with the Devil?

L.

Hmm, excellent question to distract people here with from the pain and suffering we're going through as BS...

I saw 300 too (I recommend it, definitely a "guy" movie <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> ), so I know the exact circumstances of the hypothetical situation.

As a Christian, sin is never justified, as whatever gains may come of it, however noble, they're only for this temporal life. As Christians, we are no longer to put stock in the temporal, but on the eternal hereafter.

My faith in my Lord Jesus Christ is what is mainly getting me through the pain of being a BS, and if my WW whom I do love dearly were to ask me to sin in order to get her back and restore my family, I would have to reject it outright. I would have to trust that God will bless me for my obedience, and work things out in my life for the best.

sex through coercsion is rape... according to morality and according to law. Being raped is not a sin...it is a crime.

Sinning to save a life is also saying that your God isn't big enough to do it without your sinning. My wife and I just had this conversation about lying.

My daughter (DD19) and I saw the movie last Sunday. We both liked it a lot.

As we walked home, we had that conversation about whether what occurred was adultery or rape or something else. She decided that since Queen Gorgo did this act to save her husband and his small army, did not want to have sex with him, and did not give her heart to the pig it was a rape. She then made the point that if the Queen was a single mom and did this to save a child it would be an admired selfless act. For me it’s a tough call and was a painful scene to watch.

Regarding whether this was a sin or not as portrayed at face value in the movie, the Greeks of 480 BC were not Christians for obvious reasons. I guess it would be Zeus’s call.

I haven't seen the movie yet so obviously I am assesing the basic frormula rather than the movies scriptural formula.

I find it very odd that no one has noticed or mentioned yet that this appears to be the generic emotional blackmail utilized [with a high rate of effectiveness] by terrorists and used car salesmen the world over.

The entire set up appeals to two very vulnerable areas..pride and arrogance [with not just a whopping dose of fear and urgency for good measure].

It requires a transference of blame and suspension of disbelief to work...for example...you have to BELIEVE that if you do what they ask they will honor their agreement and spare whatever they are holding as collateral. You have to become convinced that it lies within your power to save whatever dangles on the end of that stick they are holding aloft.

You have to be willing to be very gullible and naive. You have to be shortsighted and they know that using an emotion driven highly charged victim such as a child or spouse is very helpfull in keeping your focus on the small picture..aka their script...rather than asking some hard questions about the possible consequences beyond what they advertise.

Just make this phone call...have sex with me...carry this package to this address and it will all go away...have I introduced my good friend Mephistopheles?

Wow Noodle. Huh?

I am not surprised at all that I (the Forrest Gump of MB) did not think of any of that. I thought Caddy Shack was a deep movie with hidden meanings.

Sorry I can’t meet your friend but I will see if my buddy Faust is in. He is seeking some knowledge.

I have not seen the movie either, but my Dear Hubby (DH) and I have actually had this discussion, and we BOTH said that we would NEVER, EVER, under any circumstances would want our spouse to do something like that "to save our life." I'm not trying to be dramatic, but I would rather die a slow, painful death and know that my spouse did not chose to have sex outside of marriage. I could die quite satisfied knowing that, and I'm not adverse to death! In a way, I would be proud of him, and I'd consider it an honor that he stood firm inspite of such obvious pressure.

OTOH, if my spouse were to do something like that--sleep with a guard to save my life, for example--I would never, ever look at him as if he was anything other than what he is: a sinner saved by grace. We are ALL sinners saved by grace, so my view of him would not change. My guess would be that his motivations would be loving and wanting to protect me, and whilst I might disagree, I could CERTAINLY understand why a person would do that in an effort to save their loved one from further pain.

Anyway, put my vote down for "Don't sin to save a life--do what is RIGHT at every turn, no matter the cost."

Your faithful friend,


CJ

I'm pragmatic. I wouldn't blame my husband for sleeping with an entire circus if it would keep me alive to raise my children.

Dobie,

That entire circus thing is kind of tough for a visual thinker with a vivid imagination.

Must.....Not.....Think.....of.....Clowns.......

Well gee, I sure wouldn't want to be caught in a dangerous situation with some of you. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

In all honesty, I think some of you need to redefine what is and is NOT sin. Britheblondie, I have a feeling that your husband isn't condoning sin...I think the issue here is that he doesn't believe it IS sin. And if that's where he stands, then I believe he's absolutely right.

Let's make it obvious for some of you people saying you wouldn't "sin" to save your own spouses life. First off, I feel sorry for your spouse...

There's millions of examples, but let's take one. Say a robber enters your house and tries to kill you, and the only way to keep him from killing you along with your family members is to kill him. I think we can all agree that is self-defense, you would take the option to kill the robber to save yourself and your family.

So, would that be murder on your part? Or self defense? It's obviously self defense. Okay, now what if the only way to keep the robber from killing you along with your family is to lie to him. What's the difference between either lying to him or killing him in self-defense? It's self defense! Not sin. And killing or lying to some crazy killer doesn't mean that you don't have faith in God. If something is in your power to do, then God gave you the ability to handle it. If someone was about to shoot my wife, and I had the ability to shoot him first, I'm not going to just "have faith" and hope God stops the bullet from his gun. I'm going to shoot that man, out of defense for my wife. That is not murder, nor sin, it's actually the RIGHT thing to do. It actually prevents the sin of the man who was planning on shooting my wife.

God commanded armies and strategized with His annointed on how to deceive the Philistines. And that's what our military does all the time too. But is that wrong? It could be called "lying." So should we just be totally truthful with our enemies that want to kill us? God killed the firstborn of the Egyptians. Obviously God didn't sin, he did so for his cause and out of defense for his people.

I saw 300, and the woman was raped. Britheblondie, it is not a sin to be raped. If she was lusting after the guy and willingly slept with him, that would be sin, but she didn't sin by doing what she did.

You might want to listen to your husband on this one.

Interesting. On the other hand has anyone seen Casino Royale? Plays this concept both ways. Loved it, btw.

Ah - now there's a movie...


While cringing at the infidelity I thought it was a great movie as well.

This question really can't even begin to be answered, imho, until we know what your husband considers to be a "sin."

Would I lie, for example, to save my wife's life? Yes, in a heartbeat. Would I kill to save my wife's life from a home invader or rapist? Yes, in a heartbeat. Would I premeditate murder and carry it out (as in killing an OM) in order to save my wife's life? No, her life really isn't in danger of imminent death, just our marriage would be.

So what does your husband include in his "list of sins" that he is referring to?