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I realize that as a former WS I am not very popular here. I had a sex addict husband who was so into pornography that he would rather "pleasure himself" than be with me. When a former flame contacted me via email I crossed boundaries with trepidation and then enjoyed the attention. This former flame is someone who I had thought about through the years and gave in to his advances. Before I let this move from an EA to a PA I sat my husband down and told him that I was vulnerable and felt like I was close to crossing a line with former flame. My spouse had known about the email communication and because he was involved in so many things online including an online relationship he told me to go get "what I needed" from him. I, probably out of spite, did just that and ended up pregnant within 4 months of sporadic contact. We sold our house 4 months later and separated.

Throughout my pregnancy my spouse and I played "the dance" of him wanting to reconcile and then me wanting to reconcile. He was in the delivery room for my son's birth, his name is on the birth certificate and basically has acted as a step-father throughout my son's life.

Now here is my dilemma. I do have some contact with the OM and my son knows him as Daddy. He sees him a few times a year with supervision as I do not trust the aggression that he shown. I fear that my son may be hurt but don't know how to fix what I allowed to happen with the contact. My "spouse on paper" is now suggesting that we move back in more or less to provide a home for my son with a mother and a father. I do believe that he has turned his life around with the sex addiction and see no signs of it. Is there a way that I can learn to love him again. I feel nothing in the way of desire to him although I do love him but more as a friend. I find that when I am in trouble he is a support to me so I know he loves me on some level as well. There is little affection between us but we do get along great and rarely disagree.We still attend church together when he can due to his work schedule.What do you guys think are my chances for recovery of this marriage? He says he doesn't trust me to not cheat on him again but I am confident that the OM has killed whatever I felt for him and I won't.

I feel like this separation has gone on for so long that if we don't reconcile I will finally go through with the divorce this year. We have filed three time with me pulling it twice and him pulling it once.

If you have an opinion either way I would appreciate it. I don't know what would be the right thing to do at this point and do not know what exactly would be best for my son as he loves BS dearly.

Sorry for the long post but thanks to all who can offer any advice.

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My opinion is to divorce and start working on a healthy life for you and your son.

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Hi, M2M.

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I do have some contact with the OM and my son knows him as Daddy.
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If your husband isn't the father of your child, then I suggest that you have his name removed from the birth certificate. It wouldn't be right for him to have to be responsible for the child.

I also think that you should divorce and make a new life for you and your child. You might also consider some serious therapy so that you can address the issues in your life that haunt you.

God bless,
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-An affair is the embodiment of entitlement, fueled by resentment and lack of respect.
-An infidel will remain unreachable so long as their sense of entitlement exceeds their ability to reason.
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amen to "divorce and make a new life for you and your child"

and don't date until your son is 18

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I thank you guys for your opinions. I did at one point attempt to have my "spouse on paper" removed and the OM's name on the birth certificate but without my spouse's consent in doing so it would not go through. He feels that he is the one who should be my son's dad. Neither one has helped financially that much but my spouse has him on his insurance. Matthew's closeness to him is why I really am feeling a sense of "should I?" when it comes to reconciling even if only as friends who love each other.

I definitely feel that a divorce would be best for us. We just aren't romantic with each other and that alone would mess up any future ideas of how a marriage should look like to my son. I know from my history I did not have a good example of what a marriage should look like.

Also, I am in complete agreement that I will not date until he is at least 18. I just don't want to bring a lot of people into his life and I have accepted the fact that I will be alone. His well being really is in the forefront as I think it should be now. It is hard to unravel what one has done but am trying to do my best at this point to make good out of a wrong situation.

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M2M,

So who's gonna be his dad? Your husband or OM? Is this going to be "I got a daddy three times a year" thing?

How old is matthew now?

I ask because I've been in your shoes...I don't think Pep or MEDC have as far as being a single, unwed mother.

It tears your kids to pieces.

Truly.

Healthy stuff here...you fell in love with your H originally...you can do it again. You said your son loves your husband dearly. Enough to adopt him?

What do you mean here: "He sees him a few times a year with supervision as I do not trust the aggression that he shown. I fear that my son may be hurt but don't know how to fix what I allowed to happen with the contact."?

I would love to see true ownership for your choices, so you can heal, know your power and limits...and live in freedom. I don't see those. I see "spouse on paper" when reality is, he is your husband.

And I know what being married to an SA is like...I am. And I know what it is to self-deceive, excuse and create life in an emotional soup...I did.

My sons are grown...they still hurt, wrestle, work through and re-experience abandonment, rejection, fear of intimacy and betrayal through my choices. You can't change that. You did that. I did that. I can't change it, either. Take it from me, though, that even grown men hurt from this...and being a single mother isn't going to make it better...being radically honest with yourself and others, will.

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"I do believe that he has turned his life around with the sex addiction and see no signs of it."

I doubt he would let you see any signs of it either if his current agenda is reconciliation of some sort...

IMHO what you need to be asking yourself is has he presented any PROOF of recovery from his problems?

For example, has he confessed his problem even was a problem (to you, his family, friends, a counselor, anyone?)?

Did he seek and follow through on any form of therapy?

Has he even made any claim that he has recovered from his addiction?

I think it would be very irresponsible for you to allow anyone with a porn addiction to live with your son minus some very strong PROOF that he has recovered.

Therefore, I have to agree with the other posters that you should just start a new life without either of the men described. And IF you get involved with a new man, be very careful for your son's sake (and yours).

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Mama2M,

I was reading this thread earlier, and really agreed with the advice you have been given. But, I started to think a bit more about this and I think you need to step back a bit before making a decision.

You said a lot of things in your first post, that have been bubbling around in my head all day. So let me start with some of the things you have said.
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I realize that as a former WS I am not very popular here. I had a sex addict husband who was so into pornography that he would rather "pleasure himself" than be with me.


Why? Or is this a bit of an over simplification? I must say that this seems odd. What were or not doing that might make porn more attractive? I am not blaming you for the porn, I am just trying to understand the situation better.

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When a former flame contacted me via email I crossed boundaries with trepidation and then enjoyed the attention. This former flame is someone who I had thought about through the years and gave in to his advances.


So your focus was not on your H for years before this started right? And then you crossed your own boundaries. Notice I said your OWN boundaries. Those are the boundaries that YOU are supposed to protect and did not.

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Before I let this move from an EA to a PA I sat my husband down and told him that I was vulnerable and felt like I was close to crossing a line with former flame. My spouse had known about the email communication and because he was involved in so many things online including an online relationship he told me to go get "what I needed" from him.

Ok, here is a news flash. You were already deep into the affair when you went to your H. You were just seeking justification of crossing your boundaries. No matter what your H said or did not say, YOU had the affair and YOU violated your boundaries. Further, I wonder if you made it as clear to your H as you are making it to use? Nevertheless, these comments have a point, I promise.

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I, probably out of spite, did just that and ended up pregnant within 4 months of sporadic contact. We sold our house 4 months later and separated.

So as I hear you state this, you got pregnant and left. No fuss, no muss, no one cared, no one got hurt. Is that what you are telling us??? I have my doubts, since had visited upon your H most men's worst nightmare.

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Throughout my pregnancy my spouse and I played "the dance" of him wanting to reconcile and then me wanting to reconcile. He was in the delivery room for my son's birth, his name is on the birth certificate and basically has acted as a step-father throughout my son's life.

Step-father, seems you damn him with faint praise. You put his name on the birth certificate, he was there for the birth, he acted like a "step-father", and that was pretty much it??? I don't see any indication that you appreciated him doing this at all. Is that true??

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Now here is my dilemma. I do have some contact with the OM and my son knows him as Daddy. He sees him a few times a year with supervision as I do not trust the aggression that he shown.
What does he call the man whose name is on the birth certificate and apparently does seem him regularly and loves him?? Does his "step-father" support the boy in anyway??? How old is the boy now?


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I fear that my son may be hurt but don't know how to fix what I allowed to happen with the contact. My "spouse on paper" is now suggesting that we move back in more or less to provide a home for my son with a mother and a father.

"Spouse on paper" nice!!! It seems to me he is more than that. He is your H, he apparently cares for your son by another man, and wants the best for him. Suggests to me that your "spouse on paper" happens to be a pretty darned strong man and very committed.

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I do believe that he has turned his life around with the sex addiction and see no signs of it. Is there a way that I can learn to love him again. I feel nothing in the way of desire to him although I do love him but more as a friend. I find that when I am in trouble he is a support to me so I know he loves me on some level as well. There is little affection between us but we do get along great and rarely disagree.We still attend church together when he can due to his work schedule.What do you guys think are my chances for recovery of this marriage?
Well yes there is a way for you to fall in love with him again and I will get to it in a minute. But, yes there is a way.

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He says he doesn't trust me to not cheat on him again but I am confident that the OM has killed whatever I felt for him and I won't.

Well, now here is the problem, you are still in contact with OM. Your son calls him "Daddy", your H thinks and probably correctly that you still have something for OM in your heart. I will tell you why I think he is correct in a minute.

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I feel like this separation has gone on for so long that if we don't reconcile I will finally go through with the divorce this year. We have filed three time with me pulling it twice and him pulling it once.

Time is NOT a good reason for divorce or to remain married. Perhaps there is a clue to this given that YOU have pulled the divorce twice.

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If you have an opinion either way I would appreciate it. I don't know what would be the right thing to do at this point and do not know what exactly would be best for my son as he loves BS dearly.

Well there is no RIGHT thing to do. However, it might be best for your son to have a father and a mother. But, ONLY if they loved on another.

So let's start with YOUR issues first. I see several issues that YOU must address no matter what you finally decide. If you are going to hang with your H, OM needs to be out of the picture. No contact. Second, it is time you took responsibility for what you did and clearly from this post you are not. Your H did not make you have an affair nor did he make you become pregnant, YOU DID that. You continually make Disrespectful Judgements concerning your H. You should read the section here on love busters. The DJ is the WORST love buster of all because people act on the assumptions made with a DJ. Usually it does not work out well.

You will NEVER love your H until and unless YOU face what you did to your marriage. You will NEVER love your H until you have some empathy for the pain you have caused. You will NEVER love your H until you begin to respect him and see the good in him. To date you have avoided doing all of those things, and the outcome is forgone...you don't love him. If you can find it in you do these things, I think you will find it within you to love him. He clearly meets many of your needs as you have pulled the divorce twice so far.

Frankly, I would suggest you neither stay nor go right now. You should not leave until you can do most of the things listed for a period of time. IF you can (including no contact with OM) for say 6 months THEN you can make a well founded decision about what to do with this marrriage.

One last thing that builds love and is very counter intuitive. Meet your H's needs, become somewhat of a giver, not just a taker, and you will be amazed at what can happen.

My point, you are nowhere near ready for this decision. You are still in contact with OM which keeps you in a "fog", you have put walls up with regard to your H, and you clearly have at this point no empathy for his situation. Change these things, give it 4-6 months, and THEN make your decision.

Please think about this.

God Bless,

JL

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I feel nothing in the way of desire to him although I do love him but more as a friend. I

Here's my opinion it doesnt' seem like a huge surprise that you don't FEEL a certain way towards your husband...

both of you engaged in harsh acts towards eachother that became somewhat "normal" for you..

"normal" for him to use porn aggresively
"normal" for you to use another man to fullfill your needs..

it's been a long time since either spent the time and energy on one another....
which is the exact equasion needed to feel loved and loving

it's been a long time since you both of your approached your vows as the building blocks to create a marriage each is worthy of....

have you two ever both in the marriage equally committed to it....?

Also can you elaborate on what are the actions of the OM that make you fearful for your child???

ARK^^


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