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#1867234 04/27/07 10:08 AM
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I stole exactly what from you? What cannot be returned? To me, that specific choice of words is a little confusing.

I agree, it is confusing, because something like this is so subjective.

Explaining my hurt feelings to you is just going to make me feel twice foolish.

Sufice it to say, I was hurt.


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If you would clarify this, I would be grateful.

I am not sure it is possible to clarify my personal feelings to a stranger.

I am certain I am not willing to risk exposure of my underbelly at this time.

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Your trust and good will are still yours to give freely, give conditionally, rescind, or withhold. Your choice.

Choice was denied to me when your lie got me to participate in something I do not willingly participate in.

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Maybe you think I stole your time? I can go with that. If so, please accept my apology. I agree that time is one thing that cannot be returned.

Yes, time is one of the things. But the lost time is not what wounds.


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Would love to hear your thoughts beyond that, if you feel so inclined.

Well, I guess I am more inclined to just let it go.

I surrender to the FACT that I have been deceived in the past and will probably be deceived in the future. As a big girl, I just ought to stop whining and get real.

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Am I still stealing by lurking and benefitting from your wise counsel to others, even if you are unaware? Is this a possibility? Definitely a sobering thought for me. Ugh

No, do whatever you want.

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The ones injured the most by my lie were God first, and myself second and the good people of this site after that.

I agree.

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The long term repercussions of my poor choice still rebound off the walls of this forum. The short term gain I got at the time just wasnt worth it.

Good to know.

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Even if I think that I could help someone now, I don't post, fully realizing that my advice may be seen as tainted by my own hand. An obvious consequence. I see that now. Wish I'd had the foresight to see it then.

Well, at least you have that knowledge now. Put it to good use.

I find that other thread so distateful ... and I am truely sorry I made the wrong decision to check out what all the ruckus was about.

That thread is none of my business. At least I can make a choice about THAT!

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Say Pep, when is chapter two of your story coming out? I'm not exactly losing sleep over it, but...

Yeah, I agree that other thread is a mess.

All that contending. Reminds me of what CS Lewis wrote about those kinds of discussions in The Screwtape Letters. In fact, it is what CS Lewis wrote about in TSL. And I wish I had stayed away too


...never mind this para - I don't want to bring that other stuff over here...


With prayers

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Aphelion #1867236 04/28/07 10:29 AM
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Pep-

I am very grateful that you took the time to call me out to reply. I did see this last night and have been pondering my response. Hope this all will make sense to you and maybe help another who may be in my spot.....

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Explaining my hurt feelings to you is just going to make me feel twice foolish.

Sufice it to say, I was hurt.

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I am not sure it is possible to clarify my personal feelings to a stranger.

I am certain I am not willing to risk exposure of my underbelly at this time.


I completely understand. Although we have never met, I feel awful that I hurt someone whom I respect and admire greatly.

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Choice was denied to me when your lie got me to participate in something I do not willingly participate in.

Yup. I see this. Acknowledged and accepted without qualification.

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Yes, time is one of the things. But the lost time is not what wounds.


OK. The older I get, I realize that time is a precious and limited commodity. I had no right to ask you to spend yours under false pretenses.

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Well, I guess I am more inclined to just let it go.

I surrender to the FACT that I have been deceived in the past and will probably be deceived in the future. As a big girl, I just ought to stop whining and get real.

I, too, have been deceived in the past, but that does not grant me any kind of entitlement to decieve others. As a big girl. I can also get real and face myself and those I have wronged. Eighth, ninth and tenth step stuff ya know.....

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I find that other thread so distateful ... and I am truely sorry I made the wrong decision to check out what all the ruckus was about.

That thread is none of my business. At least I can make a choice about THAT!

LOL


Ok, here comes the hard part for me. As hard, if not harder, then the step stuff I mentioned above. You actually did me a BIG, HUMONGOUS favor by posting that particular link. I thank God that you did.

You unwitting hit about the biggest FOO trigger I have. Would never have happened if I had posted that thread myself. That's what the signals in my gut were getting to that I mentioned over "there".

My FOO trigger is the irrational fear of being forever defined by my mistakes, rather than defining myself in another way. I now work very hard against this deep seated trigger. I try to define myself thru God's eyes, and not my mom's. Rough stuff.

I grew up with an angry, cold, critical, alcoholic mother. Complete denial right up til the day she died a little over a year ago.

My entire adult life, she defined me by my childhood and adolescent mistakes. PG at 15, ran away from home on the very day I could legally escape--- my 17th birthday. To escape her and my molesting step-father. She forever stayed in denial about that, too.

Flat out told me that she didn't think she could ever forgive me for blowing open all the family dirty laundry. Outwardly Christian family, church every Sunday, blah, blah. The rest of her life, whenever we talked, no matter what good I did or was doing, she'd bring up my past mistakes seemingly outta nowhere and throw them in my face.

Your forgiveness and great kindness in conversing with me is turning out to be a huge reminder that not all people will act like my mother did.

Good to know.

Had a rash of that going on lately and your clarion call has got me back on track. Whew!

So then, if I may be so bold as to suggest, that maybe your decision to go there wasn't so wrong?

God is still sovereign and can even work amongst the "ruckus".

Thank you from the very depths of my being. You are used of God here in this place and other areas in your life, I am certain.

Helen

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HW,

Thank you for your post. I triggered to this as well but it took your post to bring me all the way there.

Thank you.

LA


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