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I posted here some time ago. I have been married for 20+ years and recently (like 2 years ago) have fallen in love with his older brother (also married. At least formally)
I have tried to stay away from him but failed miserably.
No good.
So as it seems, BIL and I are in an emotional affair right now.
H is asking me what is bothering me. He senses something is up.
I have lost weight; I loose sleep. I do not look good. Anorexia is raising its ugly head again (it happens with me when I am under a lot of stress for whatever reason. It’s like my stomach simply shuts off).
Anyway.
One of my H’s other siblings is divorcing.
BIL said yesterday he’s next in line.
That is messing with my head and with my peace of mind.
For the first time on Saturday I felt "what if I am married to the wrong brother?". Never happened before in all these years, even when I knew BIL had a huge crush on me.

Therapy is out of the question: too awfully expensive and too damn time consuming.
But I feel like I am going around in circles.

I am crushed with feelings of guilt but at the same time I don’t want to stop seeing BIL, although we always see each other with other people around, never alone.

I know he loves his brother. I know he would never consciously do anything to hurt him but I have a feeling he is not doing anything to stopt what is happening between us.

Someone on this forum said I should leave my H.
May I should. I don’t have a clue what to do.
I miss my BIL horribly when he is not around.
I am in such a state…

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Someone on this forum said I should leave my H.


Why would someone say that? If you do have valid reason to leave your H, it shouldn't be for BIL. How many families do you want to destroy?

I was watching Dr. Phil last night. It was about young people "Robi-tripping". People continuing an addiction knowing full well it would kill them. What you have with BIL is not love. It has nothing to do with love. And more importantly, it will never last. Tell your H about your A. Stay away from BIL. It isn't real.

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about being real: unfortunately it is very real. I know this man (BIL) and his problems inside and out. He's H's business partner, our best friend, child's godfather (we are Catholic) and older brother all wrapped in one. He's always there the minute we need him and vice versa. He comes to us when he wants to get away from his W;
I have already done the "it's not real, it's all in your head" bit.
Unfortunately, it is more real than marriage with H has ever been.


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Oh....that's right.

I forgot your situation was unique. How stupid of me.

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Pio is right. It is a fantasy and you must tell your husband.


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BB:

Time to reengage your H.

Your affair with your BIL is about the fact that he is different.

The things you tell him should be being told to your H.

And soon, you will get naked with your BIL.

And the rest will not matter.

Because BIL will find someone else. And will not ever "divorce" his wife.

Because you are a tasty piece of cake, and he will eat you up.

Since you suffer from eating disorders, you should never allow yourself to be a piece of cake.

So, decide if you are going to destroy your family business, your family, BIL's Family and all the people you know will look at you funny going forward.

Is it LOVE?

I thought so too. Not enough to destroy everything, but enough to be involved for 4.5 years. You have been for 2 years.

STOP it.

Because if it wasn't BIL, it would be Jim in Shipping, or Mike at the church. It was going to be someone else.

Your Marriage is falling apart because of what YOU are not doing. YOU can blame you H. And he is at fault. For something. But you are the one looking outside of the M right now. So go back and start working on YOU.

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about being real: unfortunately it is very real. I know this man (BIL) and his problems inside and out. He's H's business partner, our best friend, child's godfather (we are Catholic) and older brother all wrapped in one. He's always there the minute we need him and vice versa. He comes to us when he wants to get away from his W;
I have already done the "it's not real, it's all in your head" bit.
Unfortunately, it is more real than marriage with H has ever been.


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Dear Lady:

You are here because you sense disaster in the making and you are right. You have done the right thing by never, ever being alone with him. The only part you have wrong is the love bit. It is an infatuation.

Unfortunately, your social conditioning does not allow you to see it for what it is. I will try to explain as best I can.

Of course it feels real, as real as fool's gold. It looks like love, tastes like love, feels like love. It is called an infatuation. It is called an infatuation addiction. And there are several reasons why you feel this way, especially the obsessing bit.

This may save your life and all you hold dear, so pay attention. I am going to tell you what you must hear and probably know I will say.

Unless you have a firm grip on reality, you will not accept what I am going to tell you and you may self destruct. And by so doing, destroy at least two families AND THEIR CHILDREN, maybe more, including yourself and the brother, all destroyed, forever and for what; a temporary addiction?

1. It is dirt easy to fall in 'love,' just exchange confidences. This is called intimacy. Shrinks have done the studies, trust me I have the long version of that. This is also called an infatuation and the exchange of intimacies is how it starts.

2. Infatuations are chemical based in the brain and start with a need. A person projects ideal qualities on the other person that ARE NOT REAL or at least not real enough. It cold be Fred the Baker if you exchanged confidences and triggered the chemicals. Please trust me, this is fool's gold. And the fool's gold is called infatuation.

3. Infatuations last maybe two or three years at the most, sometimes less, way less, but while you are in the infatuation, you obsess, you do crazy stuff, you are in the grip of a CHEMICAL ADDICTION, much like COCAINE.

4. WOMEN very often confuse infatuation with love and you have a three to seven year cycle. Right place, right man, and voila, you fall into an infatuation and call it love. Unless you are a real adult, during this new infatuation, you may destroy families, children, yourself and the object of your attention.

5. You will make up stuff about your husband or take stuff and make them more important. You will tell yourself you married the wrong man because the new addiction makes you forget the old one.

IT IS SELF DESTRUCTION WITH A VENGENCE. And it is all based on TEMPORARY chemicals in the brain. Unless you obsess, in which case you can keep the fires burning for a very long time. And unrequited infatuations can cause the obsession. If the deed was done, reality would start to set in and you would wake up one morning to reality.

I am going to tell you a very short story, with many details left out so you can read it quickly.

A long lost relative of mine showed up; other than me, the last of my family. I embraced him with open arms. Eventually, and there is no kind way to put it, my wife embraced him with open legs. She was going to leave me for him. They fell in love, she more than he based on the infatuation cycle that hits women harder.

I stalled for a month and then made my play. She picked me because of the kids. She lived to thank God for that decision. The addiction burned off fairly quickly and she was left with the following:

What she and he did destroyed his family (not just his wife, his son as well) and nearly destroyed ours. What she allowed herself to do destroyed any chance that the relative and I could have a relationship and she blames herself for that. I blame both of them, if blame is the right word.

He proved to be somewhat of a charlatan. Here is how:

The relative found a new girl friend three weeks after me and my wife ran him off and a week after he sent her a letter promising a lifetime of love and that he would wait for her. The new girlfriend moved in two months later and they got married some months after that when his divorce was final.

He was needy, obviously. And his need mixed with her infatuation blinded both of them to the obvious consequences.

I bonded with him, and trusted him with my wife, who was going through hard times for a lot of reasons. And he did what he did. So did she. I was working long hours to save our business and keep the money flowing in. She was a full time nursing student and they were trying to kill her at school. All of the other precursors for an affair by her were in place and we were both ignorant, blind and stupid how our marriage had caused us to drift apart.

Most husbands who lack the specialized point of view that knowledge of marriage builder principles teach us, would NOT be able to handle the fact you have become infatuated with his brother. I made a mistake. My wife came to me and said she was falling in love with this relative. I had no clue. I said that was ok so they could be like brother and sister. And with that statement and attitude, helped the destruction that followed. I was a ignorant fool.

It has been 18 months. She no longer has feelings for the guy, she is indifferent to him except she regrets the cost to BOTH OUR FAMILIES. He is as if dead to her. I talk to him every once in a while. He wants to make it up to me any way he can. I don't know how that is possible.

And the night she had a choice to make, he might have been really dead. My emotions were self destructive, yes, but the family relationship between us could have triggered the killer instinct. It has happened. I trusted that male with my wife and there you go. Because of the emotions, I was close to killing him, or me.

Given the addiction phase you are in, you probably won't believe what we are trying to tell you or at least not want to believe it. Please trust me. I have lived where you are and I have see the results, the consequences, the reality that is so illusive for you right now.

You are in an obsession loop. It is caused by your infatuation. The fix is to replace that infatuation with one for your husband. Get help. Somehow find a pro marriage counselor and GO THERE RIGHT NOW. Please do this before you and all you love finds an EMOTIONAL TRAIN WRECK from which none of you will every really recover.

Your hurt is my hurt. I am here for you, just post or email. And don't ever, ever allow yourself to be alone with the brother until you get this fixed.

You are my wife's number one nightmare that she relives in her head from time to time, less now than in months past. If you really do what you might do, you will be like us, and both live with the regret for the rest of your lives; the regret of destroyed families, NOT LOST LOVE, because the love was fool's gold.

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Larry, may I e-mail you with a question?

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BB, your H should be told about this TODAY. He has a right to know about this affair because it is information about his life to which he is ENTITLED. He must be told so can make the decision about whether or not he would choose to stay in this marriage. He has a RIGHT to make that choice himself. He also must know so he can protect himself from you and his sleazy polecat of a brother.


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(also married. At least formally)


What does that mean "at least formally"? Does that mean not casually?

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LOL weaver!


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Bubblebath,

This BIL who is only formally married, do you find that honorable? Can you admire a man who chooses to escape from his wife to your house?

Never mind that you are betraying your own marriage for a minute, as you are here seeking help. That is admirable.

Take a really, good look at this BIL of yours. He is coveting his brothers wife.

He is not admirable. Do not romanticize him in your mind.

He is as Mel said, not worthy. a polecat.

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Bubble,
Do you have kids?

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He comes to us when he wants to get away from his W;


Any suggestions as to who he will "get away" with after he has you?


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BB,

Please try to accept what many of these wise posters have been telling you as you are currently walking on a slippery slope here.

Know that you will not only permanently damage your own M by continuing this R, but you will most likely FOREVER ruin the bond between brothers.

I've been where you are right now and know how good it may seem to have this OP in your life, especially when your needs aren't being met by your H.

You know how this will end if you continue and it won't be pretty.

He is telling you what you want to hear right now.

Your husband needs to know...NOW before many of these relationships are destroyed.


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We are not talking about Casanova here.
He has grown up children (all but one who is still not of age). So do I.
We have both been married over 20 years.
As far as I know, his infatuation for me (for lack of a better word...) dates back to... I think it was the first day he saw me...I was not even married then.
I do not know if he is faithful or not, but between his work and his children, whom he loves dearly, and his parents, whom he adores, I would really be surprised if he had time for anything else.

I have the feeling you think this guy is a cad.
He is not, believe me.

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BB, your H should be told about this TODAY. He has a right to know about this affair because it is information about his life to which he is ENTITLED. He must be told so can make the decision about whether or not he would choose to stay in this marriage. He has a RIGHT to make that choice himself. He also must know so he can protect himself from you and his sleazy polecat of a brother.

Sorry Mel. I am not with you on this one. She is here looking for help. She got in her trap through ignorance but is smart enough to see consequences. We can yell at her or help her. In my opinion, you are reading stuff in her post that isn't there and may or may not be there.

I got the tee-shirt on this one and I am going to try to help her.

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Larry, may I e-mail you with a question?

I already gave you permission. Be cautioned that if it is over my head, I will refer you right back here. Be also cautioned that this is a one off thing. I cannot and will not get into lengthy correspondence over some issue. The reason for a support group is to get an assortment of views so that you can be helped from a variety of angles, some of which will be off the mark and some on.

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Sweetie let me be the first to tell you that to your BIL beside the fact that you are his SIL you are nothing more to him than a peice of a**. You think he thinks you are special because you need to feel special.

On the other hand your DH sees you as so much more. He has been with you through so much like all spouses are and right now you are just taking that for granted. Temptation is suppose to feel good or else how would it be attrative to you. That is what makes it so allureing.

I agree with everyone else. You are obviously disconnected from your H and if you are chances are he is from you. You need to find out how you are contributing to the problems in your marriage and correct that and then you will see it's not all your H's fault you are not getting your needs met. In some way you are causing the unhappiness you are feeling. If I am not mistaken I believe you said you have had an affair before. I have to check I could be wrong but if this is the case then I am sure you thought it was love then too but you tried it and realized that it wasn't it will be the same this time with the only difference being that you will destroy your immediate family.

You are looking outside yourself to find happiness. It will never work. Even if it feels that way now you know it won't last. I am sure you were infatuated with your H when you all first met and those feelings did not last but when they passed you knew your H was there to stay because what you all had was real love. I can tell you if you act on what you are feeling in time you will feel not lust but disgust. With yourself and with him. Normal affairs cause deep feelings of betrayal which am sure you already know because of the prior A what do you think an A with your BIL will do to your H and children?

At this point after figuring out how you can fix what you are doing to hurt your M the next best thing would be to tell your H what you are feeling so that way he will know how serious your problems are and you all can fix your M.

If you leave your H to be with anyone else not just your BIL you will in time find that you are having the same problems in your new R that you are having in your old and it will be not because something is wrong with your partner but because you will be the only constant in the R but something that is wrong with you. You are the key to all of your problems now. The question is will you dig deep to find out how to be a better person, mother, and W or will you be willing to chase a fleeting moment of happiness and hurt your whole family in the process.

You don't feel very good about yourself for whatever reason. Do you think getting involved with your BIL will make you feel better about yourself or worse? The best advice I think I ever got and coming here I have gotten some very good advice was this. To change your life all you need to do is change your mind.

Try focusing on all the good things your H does for you instead of the things he does that make you unhappy. Also get you a book on positive affirmations and say them to yourself everyday allday until you start to feel better about who you are. Start by telling yourself you love yourself. When you learn how to love yourself then you will be able to see all the love that you are blind to right now.

I made up my mind not to be anyone else's goodtime girl. You know how you go into the public bathroom stalls and see call so and so for a goodtime. Don't you think you deserve better than that? The answer is yes. I will be praying for you to find you way.

Remeber the grass is greener whereever you water it.

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We are not talking about Casanova here.
He has grown up children (all but one who is still not of age). So do I.
We have both been married over 20 years.
As far as I know, his infatuation for me (for lack of a better word...) dates back to... I think it was the first day he saw me...I was not even married then.
I do not know if he is faithful or not, but between his work and his children, whom he loves dearly, and his parents, whom he adores, I would really be surprised if he had time for anything else.

I have the feeling you think this guy is a cad.
He is not, believe me.

Men love differently. Trust me on this. You are projecting your own values on him. That will NOT work. He may or may not be a cad. Given your own feelings, you don't really know. But I will give you a test so you can find out for yourself.

Test:

Blood honor among males is easy for most males to define and very, very difficult for some women to see or grasp. You are NOT a male. Please don't pretend to understand it because you are not equipped by gender. Blood honor allows this man to love you from a distance. Blood honor will not allow him to do anything but THAT and only that. If he does anything else, confesses his love, says he yearns for the two of you to be together, makes any promises at all, HE DOES NOT HAVE HONOR AS MEN WOULD DEFINE THE WORD.

Given your infatuation, you give him a pass on honor. That is the road to disaster.

He loves his parents, you say. . . Right. . . He loves his children, you say. . . Right. . . He has an extremely different way of demonstrating that love if he has any character, honor or decency at all based on the above test.

Bet that between the two brothers, that one is the entitled one, the one who his parents always gave him what he wanted. Did I get that right?

You need to send him packing to rebond with his wife and you need to rebond with your husband.

Larry

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