During lunch today at the hospital, I saw a horrible video flashed on the screen. It is haunting me still. It was of a 17 year old Iraqi girl being stoned to death. Seems she fell in love with a boy of the wrong religion - she was a Kurd, he was Islam, or something like that. Forgive me, the video was so shocking, I missed the details.

It was taken on someone's cell phone. It showed her being stoned, bloody and dying. She sat up once and tried to shield herself, and a man came up and kicked her in the face, knocking her back down. The crowd of mostly men (but some women and teens too), seemed to enjoy the stoning.

It was all about being the wrong religion. What a terrible country to live in. I hope this war is going to change things, but I have my doubts.

I'm sure that was really awful to see.

Many would say she's not saved. I find that even more disturbing. TT

that poor child.... while I have strong doubts about the war, Also have serious doubts about leaving any region to their own devices when [censored] like this happens. Whether it is Darfor or Iraq... I am sickened by man's inhumanity to his fellow man in all cases... when it is in the name of God, it is heartbreaking. There is a corner of hel! waiting for everyone of those monsters that cast a stone at that child... AND for everyone that stood by and let it happen.

Oh my God... that poor girl... THAT in the name of religion???? Shaking my head in disbelief...

That in the name of evil.

Yes, I saw it too, yesterday. I can't believe it was available through CNN. I can't stop thinking about it. I wish I hadn't opened it.

The stoning was called an "Honor Killing".

I feel sick.

These are the same beliefs, culture, religion, way of life.... that allows and promotes the flying of airliners into the WTC and the people in these countries dance in the streets for joy. The same thing that keeps them blowing each other up by strapping explosives to themselves or loading it into trucks and cars to kill as many of the opposite religious sect as possible as they go to their mosques or shop in the marketplaces.

We cannot even grasp the concept, but to them it is their way of life.

This couldn't be true b/c it's a religion of peace?

V/r,
No way

There may be some religions of peace, but none of the mainstream ones are. All of them create fragments who are confident of God's will and confident that their violent behavior will be rewarded by God.

And the worst part? No one can prove them wrong. I agree completely that the act shown in this video was an evil and despicable act. But can I *prove* that right after those folks die, they won't be in heaven being rewarded for it? Nope. Last I checked there's no web cam pointing at heaven for anyone to check it out.

Who knows, maybe 5 minutes after death those folks and Eric Rudolph will all be in the "kicking infidel [censored] for God" 5 star luxury heavenly spa. I sure hope not though.

Religions do a lot of good; but most of them also justify some evil too.

That's why I stay away from religion!!

Mebe - Sorry, but I disagree. I see works of charity and kindness promoted by the mainstream religions. Perhaps hundreds of years ago but I don't see this today.
Granted, some zealots do act in evil ways; done by a few individuals and through man's failure, not, from teachings put forth by a mainstream religion (except perhaps the one that condoned stoning this girl).

V/r,
No way

What's "more disturbing?"

What a terrible life this poor girl had. She was born in a war zone, has survived the bullets and the bombs and then foolishly fell in love with somebody from another religion. Most likely many of those stoning her were members of her own family because she brought shame upon them.

I hope she's in heaven. I find any other possibility disturbing.
TT

Her picture is on the front of the CNN website, which is my homepage. It is driving me nuts.

So distasteful - but maybe serving a purpose.

Ugh.

far

Tucktummy - Man's "inhumanity to man" (or woman) is a story that is old as time. It IS disturbing, but I'm trying to understand what it is that you find so disturbing that this girl, like so many other people, might not be heaven but might actually be in he11, or simply has ceased to exist (death is the final end of existence) as some others might believe.

It almost sounds as though you are extrapolating a very tragic situation, perpetrated by those who are not Christians, to be a "Christian problem" of some sort. So I am trying to understand just what it is that you are saying about being "disturbed" that this young woman might not be in heaven following her tragic death. Your reference to heaven seems to indicate that you do believe in an afterlife and that heaven and he11 actually do exist.

"Honor killings" in the Islamic world are nothing new and this young woman is but the latest victim. But it has nothing to do with Christianity, so I am perplexed by the connection you seem to be making about heaven and he11 and what seems to be a reference to the Christian belief that the only way to be saved and in heaven after death is through the acceptance of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

It is that connection that I am seeking to clarify in your statement and what about it seems to be so "disturbing" to you and why it seems disturbing.

I believe she is in paradise... her tormentors will surely rot in the depths of ******.

FH... perhaps this is not the thread for you to be spreading your views of Christianity. You will surely come across as a zealot and a cold hearted person by saying anything less than positive about this poor child. I can see where you are going with this and perhaps this is not the time or place to be taking your typical slant on things.

MEDC

Bruce Cockburn (sounds like co-burn) wrote a song called "Lovers in a Dangerous Time". This reminds me of that song.

How lovely - a SNUFF FILM.

The practice of brutally killing women and girls accused of dishonoring their families is widespread and usually is not reported. Perpetrators are seldom brought to justice.

I have seen other video and still photos of women being executed by stoning. It is not even necessary to have proof that the girl/woman was unchaste. She can do something as trivial as walking too slowly on a street. Any behavior seen as immodest can bring violence against her.

This is a brutal, primitive religion and culture. It follows a double standard towards the sexes. A couple caught in adultery are not subject to equal punishment.

Men restore the family's honor by murdering the offending woman publicly and the more blood shed the better. In villages in the Arab sections of Israel, women are beaten, burned alive, stoned. Should they escape alive, they can never go back to the village. Their brothers or other male relatives would be bound to finish the job, or else they would be unable to have any standing in their society.

On a lesser scale this double standard exists in most societys. Sad, tragic, frightening.

Still photos and videos of these murders are smuggled out of the countrys at great personal risk to the photographers. I wonder what the motivation of the cell phone guy was - private viewing, or attempt to get justice for the girl.

Look at that young, beautiful child. Heartbreaking.

I would love to get my hands on one of those stone throwers....equal punishment isn't even the issue here... although it is a huge problem... barbaric acts against anyone is horrible.. I would have no moral problem personally whacking everyone of the people involved in this act... no problem whatsoever. I think the Lord would say "job well done good and faithful servant" for taking action against such animals.
Just my continued 2 cents.

MEDC