I don't believe I have yet seen where BP has said MFZ should not be allowed help on MB. So yes OWL, as wise as he must think he is for the screen name, is missing the point.

And I don't post to MFZ and never will. He is apparently a person who doesn't like to get what he gives. It was okay for him to do it to someone but not fair when someone else did it to him. I learned not to respect that in the 3rd grade. Never needed a refresher.

Good for you, Pio...some people however DO need a refresher.

BTW...if you ever bother to look up the 'name' thread...take a look at my list in there.

If I ever claimed to be 'wise'...I would have been 'wise' enough to avoid having to have come here in the first place, wouldn't I? It means something entirely different in my case...nice assumption tho. Good attempt at a personal shot. Better luck next time.

More effort than I am willing to expend. You aren't that interesting to me. Don't be offended. I'm sure you are to someone. Good for you.

BTW, have you spent 6 months on SI as I have? Have you been asschewed by moderators for telling BS's to stop acting like babies as I have? Have you spent time in TOW as I have? Or do you just dismiss it out of hand? If you can't be bothered to go there and do your time, I can't be bothered to search a thread.

And, for the record, and I only say this because I have said it to him, I have little tolerance for BP. I generally find him offensive in spite of his best efforts. But I cannot criticize him here.

BTW, I will say that I find BP offensive in the same way I find FH offensive. It is not in their message, it is in their delivery. I make no further comment on their content. I think BP is more right than wrong. Can't say about FH because I've never actually been able to finish one of his posts. Poor internet connection.

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Pio-

Again, I came from yet ANOTHER forum. I posted for about a year on LS and came here sometime during then...indeed, posted to both for quite some time. But have indeed been to TOW and SI in the past. As I said...I don't see any need to RETURN there. I already know what's said and done...that trip wouldn't educate me any further. I'm not sure what further learning you expect I would get from those sites...

It doesn't matter to me whether you look at another thread or not...I simply wanted to ensure you understood that your interpretation of what my name meant was incorrect.

And as far as Bob's (or anyone else's) opinions on affair marriages...how can I possibly be upset that their opinion doesn't match mine? THAT isn't the real bottom line issue...what IS the bottom line issue is that they're insisting that anyone that doesn't meet their criteria not be allowed to post to this forum...and that anyone who responds to those posts is suggesting that people advocate affair marriages. Its the people who are trying to say that those of us that DO choose to respond are condoning infidelity.

If people truly are offended by those threads...don't go to them.

If they're truly offended by the people who respond to those threads and posters...place those of us who do try to assist them on ignore if they wish.

But the bottom line is...follow the guidance given by the moderators of this site, and realize that this site is open to ANYONE coming here seeking help for their marriage.

hey Owl... when you find out that MFZ is nothing but a troll with a made up story... remember that you will have once again been duped by someone here that is only seeking to cause division.

Yep, again.

So what's the point of your comment, MEDC? Trying to discredit me based on being duped once by a troll? Hmmm...interesting...and how many OTHERS were duped by that same troll? If I recall, weren't you posting on her threads too? Granted, you weren't trying to do anything to HELP anyone, but still...

yeah, Owl, that's all that happened... you were just duped by the troll...not much else to your interactions on that thread huh? And your help is very often misapplied. If you don't like me pointing out some things that I think are obvious... next time keep your opinions as to how I should post to yourself. And no one... not BP or me has said that MFZ shouldn't be allowed to post here....he can do as he pleases...bottom line is all I am doing is expressing how I feel...if you don't like, try the ignore function.

What did I say...IN THIS THREAD...about how you post, MEDC? In the 'troll' thread, I commented a lot about how you post. I still don't think much about your 'method'...but I haven't directly addressed you about your 'method' in quite some time. Why are you raising it now?

You're not 'expressing how you feel'...you're attempting to insult me and associate me with a troll.

BTW...that ignore feature? It works both ways. Give it some thought.

PIO


I lasted a whole week on SI. I am a total hard nose when it comes to male BS sucking it up and acting like a man instead of a doormat. I have never posted on TOW, but I have read it extensively. What a pity party.

OWL

What is LS?

Larry

Owl... since you want to lie and say you haven't posted about my methods in quite some time see below from MFZ's thread.



I don't need YOU owl to remind me of anything. Thanks for the input though but I prefer to get my input on these boards from people that are not two faced and manipulative. Owl....when I say something, people know where I am coming from... good and bad... you are a bit too passive agressive for my tastes...

At least be honest about your posts to me in the future...we don't agree with one another... I am very okay with that.

OWL - if I may be so bold as to suggest just ignoring(you don't have to put him on "ignore" to do that) what MEDC has to say, it may save you some time and possibly some personal aggravation with his use of personal attacks to try to beat someone into submission. He is "fine" with someone as long as he happens to agree with a given position, but he brings out the "verbal knives" whenever he does not agree with someone's position and goes on the ad hominem attack.



MEDC has spoken. He has given all of us his opinion. It is HIS opinion and he is entitled to hold whatever opinions he wishes. But I am fairly certain that a LOT of MB members would disagree with his opinion. Furthermore, he makes it clear that he bases his opinions and judgments on his FEELINGS. He is entitled to do so, as so many (such as Wayward Spouses) have done in order to rationalize and justify their decisions and choices. In his judgment, "married" doesn't MEAN married if someone is in the process of getting a divorce. And interesting viewpoint, but why go through the process of getting a divorce if it really "never mattered and never will" so that someone IS "free" to date and/or marry someone else?

So what is it that might be driving MEDC's vendetta against certain "Affair Marriage" members posting on GQ II and MB in general? He reveals this "difference" of opinion, that is decidedly against MB positions in his following posts.




Civil laws are NOT what we have been discussing, and MEDC knows that. Perhaps that is WHY he is so adamantly against a biblically based position, he wants to make up his own rules as he goes along. As long as MEDC agrees with it, "it's" right, if he disagrees with "it," it's wrong. End of discussion, MEDC is the highest authority and the only arbiter of what is correct and what is incorrect.




And here we have the definitive judgment MEDC. Nevermind that this position, this criteria that he applies, is decidedly OPPOSED to both the Scripture (God's position) and to MB (ever hear of Emotional Affairs MEDC?).

Adultery, as most of us know or have learned, includes far more that just sex, or vaginal sex if he wants to put forth the Pennsylvania "standard" as THE standard of what constitutes adultery, and thereby an Affair.

He can continue to use ad hominem attacks on me because of my belief in Christians following God regardless of our personal "feelings." But it is interesting to see the real MEDC and WHY he chooses to harass others who hold a differing opinion on this very difficult and very sensitive subject.

Double standard? Not even close. Adultery is ONLY having sex and dating while still married is NOT adultery or an affair. MEDC has spoken
Perhaps a few others may also disagree with him. Perhaps not. Each member will have to choose for himself or herself.

Are you really hearing what you are saying MEDC, or is your emotional fog so think it filters out all but your own opinion?




Owl - MEDC has already stated definitively that he WILL NOT stop harassing anyone who does not agree with him on this "topic." That includes both a person seeking advice and anyone who has the temerity to choose to offer some help. Arguing with this person is pointless and attempting to discuss this issue with him is an exercise in futility. MEDC is not interested in discussing anything and he is not interested in the rights of anyone else REGARDLESS of what the system "powers that be" have said.

It is not enough to state an opposing opinion. It is not enough to state it even two or three times. It is a "jihad" and a "vendetta" in his mind and he will NOT tolerate or allow others the same right he claims for himself, to make a choice to post on a controversial subject. MEDC falls into the "camp" of "not on my MB you don't!" HIS answer to someone who does have the "stones" to "take him on" in disagreement with his OPINION is to put that person on "ignore" so he doesn't have to read or be "upset" by an opposing position.

Make your choices, post to whomever you decide to post to, offer advice to anyone you think is worthy of your time and help, and simply let MEDC post whatever personal attacks and spew whatever personal venom he wants to spew. He is behaving no differently than the Muslim Jihadists are doing, he is engaged in his own "holy war" and will "kill" anyone who does not accept "his line" or who supports a "freedom of expression" position even when what someone says may be "offensive" to some.

His words quoted above (some from a previous post on this thread and now this latest one for your benefit) are all that is needed to see the blinding effects of his jihad on himself.

1. Dating while married is not "cheating," and therefore, not a form of adultery. "Never did, never will."

2. " dating is not adultery. having sex is adultery."

And he will try to "excuse" his position by saying he was "just" talking about secular State laws. Rubbish. He claims to be a Christian, and as such, he KNOWS that marriage, adultery, and sin are first defined by God, not by the State. And for Christians, God's law supercedes "State Law" when they are in conflict, as, for example, the State condoning abortion and the slaughter of millions of innocents who are truly innocent. His "selectivity" in his reasoning is amazing to watch.

3. "Sorry... but this battle will be fought with the keyboard IMO."

That IS his OPINION ("IMO"). It IS a "jihad" and a "battle" that he will fight because his opinion "trumps" everyone else's opinion. There is no discussion or negotiation with such a zealot anymore than there is any possibility of negotiation with anyone seeking to impose their will on everyone else.

4. "the laws don't make any sense. I follow what I believe to be right"

That is precisely the point. MEDC decides what is "right" for everyone else and then goes to "war" to impose his opinion of "right" on everyone else, and "heaven help" anyone who might exercise his/her own self-granted right of self-determination of what is right and who they post to or what topics they choose to engage in with discussion or help for an individual.

MEDC has made himself the "self appointed" guardian and protector of the entire MB system, just so long as it agrees with his opinion of "right and wrong." He does not care that the "law" of MB is open and available to all. He sees this as "he will do what he thinks is right in his own mind" and "forget the 'law of this land of MB." He wants us all to believe that ANY person is forever banned from posting because their mere presence MAY offend some others. The fact that anyone's presence may well offend someone else has NEVER been the "measuring stick" of who should be allowed to post or WHERE they should be allowed to post on MB.

He thinks a couple of people who fit HIS definition of having committed adultery and married a person they were committing adultery with is a "veritable floodgate" that will swamp MB and change it into a haven of support for adultery, divorce, marriage to anyone for any reason and no concern or remorse for past "bad choices." Forget forgiveness for past sins and forget helping any "offensive" person(that HE personally finds offensive). Other potentially "offensive" people he will "give a pass" to because he has decided that "their adultery" doesn't make it into his own "defintion" of what adultery and/or an "affair marriage" is.

We've all seen this sort of thinking before. Someone who wants to blame the "ills" of society on someone else, some "minority," and then seeks with all diligence to wipe them out. Some scapegoat that can be used to support megalomania. He "sets the rules" in his mind, and "Katie bar the door" if anyone "gets in his way.

It IS sad, and I hope one day that MEDC will begin to discuss this difficult topic with Jesus. But I'm not holding out much hope that he might do so within my lifetime.

Case by case, individual by individual, the same way that Jesus deals with each of us.

God bless.