MEDC --
That last quote you posted is not credible. Its heresay.
Its another person jumping to inaccurate conclusions, but posting them as facts.

MEDC-

Question-

You have the fact that he changed his story.

As a police officer...is that enough to PROSECUTE or CONVICT a suspect?

It certainly may be enough to warrant further investigation, I grant you. Does it make the whole story suspiscious? Heck yeah...

But is it enough conclusive evidence for you to KNOW what the real truth is here, beyond a shadow of a doubt?

???

is information straight from the originator of this post not credible? The equation of 26-11 is derived directly from the post originator.

so, if that is not credible... then what on this entire thread is?

That is not hearsay. That is getting called on info that one puts out in the open...

but this is pointless. He got cheated on. Tragic. She is a victim as well. Also tragic.

yet some choose to ignore her tragedy.

Owl... please don't address me if you are going to use this fuzzy logic... the words came from him... I am not convicting him... I am merely pointing out that at BEST we had a man contacting in minor in a romantic way... that is predatory behavior... period. At worst... he is a pedohile that is covering his own tracks.

Lexxy, your words are the ones that are not credible here. Noodle has her facts perfectly straight.

The people you both choose to defend are at best dirt bags and at worst criminals...I am shocked at your lack of compassion for his victims. Based on how you both view this, I sincerely hope the neither one of you have a daughter since you obviously have no clue as to how to best protect a child.

but a direct answer to your question Owl...yes, that would be enough to arrest a suspect... it wasn't my job to prosecute... but people are convicted by confession every single day.

What's fuzzy about my logic???

You're calling him a pedophile, you're saying he should be getting to know his cell mates, etc... How is that NOT convicting him?

My logic is pretty point blank...you don't KNOW anything, yet you're accusing him of all kinds of things, and once again berating anyone supporting someone that YOU don't feel should be on this board.

He said he's "known" her for 11 years, and all of a sudden there are all these conclusions that he's an internet stalker and being called a pediphile. He explained how he meant the word "known" but this has aleady taken on its own spin, and now nobody will let him clarify or explain. He NEVER said he started dating her 11 years ago.

This is heresay:


That is someone concluding that the word "known" meant romantic interaction. That is NOT what was said.
And that was NOT his description at all.

GEEEZ

yes, Owl... you are right... I don't think anyone that rapes a child or pursues a minor should be on this board... if you don't like that, shove it up your nose.

And IMHO, ANYONE that supports a pedohile is as bad as the pedophile himself.

And there is no evidence more damning than a persons confession... even when they know they are not giving it.

I can tell you many examples of where people said things not realizing that they were in fact confessing to a crime (a lot of times going on a domestic call, a woman would call the police because her man hit her... when we would ask what happened, more times than not, we would hear that after I slapped HIM, he punched me... and I called the police...she gets locked up... her crime). This kind of stuff happens with every type of crime. I have locked up enough scum bags and have seen the way their story changes when the truth is questioned. My instincts are usually dead on and in this case... we have his won words to go by.

So really, if you don't like my input on people like this... you better put me on ignore... because I will not rachet it down one bit... in fact I will rachet up the pressure on these types of people. There, no double speak... my intentions are very clear.

Lexxy, if you think it is okay for a 25 year old to be having email and other contact with a 14 year old... I sincerely pray for any of your childrens safety.

You are exceptionally naive.

Typical MEDC.

Can't defend, then attack. SO now Owl and I have shocked you. Oh no.



Just you being inflammatory.

What "people" do I defend?
Who are his victims ?
And can't you discuss anything without resorting to personal attacks?

who are his victims???? Are you f-ing kidding me????
Typical Lexxy. Head in the sand...

and when it comes to pedophiles and ANYONE that defends them... IMO, personal attacks are just and called for.

Yes -- plural...victimS. Why do you just make things up?

Now its 14 and 25????

do you just feel free to distort the facts anytime you want??????

I do not support pediphiles -- but you're already painting me with that brush -- I'm simply trying to point out that is NOT what this situation is.
You are incredibly close-minded.

Lexxy, Owl... I would be just as happy having neither of you ever addressing me on these baords again. I will make a point to not address you personally, and I would appreciate you doing the same.

Fine MEDC;

Make all your inflammatory comments then run.
I'm not upset with you, I would prefer to discuss it.
But...whatever.

Maybe you should put me on ignore!

you will see I am not running... I just chose to not waste any more time on people that refuse to take a stand in life.
You call my comments inflamatory... I call them the truth. There's just no point in continuing to discuss this since we obviously have two different view points. I am very comfortable with mine considering my vast amount of experience dealing with both the criminal element in these cases as well as the victims of these crimes.

I am not upset with you either... I am just making the choice to stop addressing anyone that supports things that are blatantly offensive to me. I have too many other things going on in life to waste time dealing with that stuff.

ok MEDC, fair enough.

I am just disappointed that because I choose to believe a man who says he dated and married an 18 year old -- that I am subjected to being told:

I am not credible.
I am exceptionally naive.
I don't know how to protect my daughter.
You need to pray for my childrens safety.
And I should never address you on these boards again.

Along with other veiled insults.
Calling your statements "truth" doesn't make them true.

Its still my opinion that you and others are acting as a lynch mob. Or maybe the Salem Witch Trials are a better analogy. No proof, just crucify.

Actually, I said that.

Perhaps I used the word "romantic" loosely. For the sake of clarification, let's call it "inappropriate".

Can you think of a single appropriate reason that an adult male has to participate in an online chat with a child that also involves a follow-up visit to another COUNTRY to visit her? Are you actually saying that you believe his intentions were honorable right up until the minute that she turned 18 and he married her...like immediately after she was legal he slapped his forehead and said, "Hey! I think I might like to have a relationship with this girl! Hey! I never thought of that until this very moment!"?

Give me a break!

Why is it necessary to disbelieve that this is inappropriate behavior (at the very LEAST) unless you actually read a post from him that says, "Yes. I admit it. I was predatory"?

Why would he let it slip? Because the MENTALITY of child sexual abusers (and predators) is that they are not doing anything wrong and it precludes their lack of good judgment.

A well-known example of this would be Michael Jackson continuing to allow children to spend the night at his house, even AFTER he had been accused of molestation.

Still, some people consider him to be innocent. After all, he was found to be "not guilty", right?

Okay, so there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute him...but I ask you, would you send YOUR child over to Neverland Ranch to spend the night based on that information?

I wouldn't. Regardless of what he's been convicted or not convicted of, I still have the ability to use good judgment.

I also have the ability to use good judgment regarding the original poster of this thread.

Refusal to take a stand on this subject and offering assistance to someone who participated in (at the very least) an inappropriate relationship with a child is the same thing as supporting it.

We should all be "nice", right?
Don't pick a side because it might ruffle feathers or make someone FEEL bad?
Be sympathetic and kind to all people, lest you be considered mean or rude?

That kind of struthious attitude coupled with refusal to believe that bad things DO happen and people that you know DO perform these sort of acts are the very attitudes that allow sexual abuse to occur and to continue through victim after victim.

C'mon, Lexxy.

He said that he chatted with her on the internet and then traveled to another country to visit her, all years prior to having "dated and married her at 18".

Do you believe that is inappropriate and predatory?

C'mon Froz --
He never said he chatted with her on the internet **when she was a minor.**
He said he "knew" her. Not romantically -- but just like you might know of someone who had similar interests and friends. He explained that.
He also said that their courtship was 2 months -- and occured when she WAS 18!

Why is everyone jumping to conclusions and building this case against him out of absolutely nothing???

Lex,

This is not absolutely nothing. That you don't agree with it does not make it nothing. Can you appreciate that?

We used his information to generate conclusions. His info. Not ours. Not something he pulled out of thin air.

His info.

Supporting cast would be things like rave parties and so on... but maybe that is a stretch. I am sure all kinds go to raves. It is, however a stereotype that supports the conclusions drawn from his freely posted information(info given while NOT under duress...)

I don't go to raves.

Either way.... his information. He posted it. We pointed it out. He backpedaled. He changed info. We (whomever 'we' really is) continued to point out the facts, that we got from him.

Here is a real fact.

I won't post to him in order to help him regain his marriage.

Additionally, I won't post on this thread anymore. I have stated my position and that is all there is for me to say.