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People who were overly sensitive can see the benefit of getting stronger.

People who may be overly legal can examine their need for tenderness.

People who may be overly soft can examine their need for commandments.

People can learn that their honesty was cruelty.

And therein lies the rub. People can only change themselves. People behave according their OWN standards, not according to the personal behavior standards of OTHERS. So it is ludicrous to spend endless hours [and I do mean endless, because it never ends] scrutinizing the posting styles of others helps no one, because people who want to change, CHANGE. No one can be changed against their will.


oh no, I am objecting to WHAT is being said, not HOW it is said. I don't give a ratsass HOW somebody says something, I care about the CONTENT of what is said. This thread is hand wringing and teeth gnashing over the TONE of other folks' posts, an exercise in futility [aka: superiority] that will avail absolutely nothing and always leads nowhere. It is a fruitless attempt to straighten others out. Here we go again. Now what was that definition of insanity? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />


"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

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...and to attempt to do so is profoundly DISRESPECTFUL...
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I personally find your posts at least as disrespectful as you seem to find mine.

There's no value in continuing this conversation. Neither of us will change. We've both wasted enough time on this.

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You cannot change others against their will and to attempt to do so is profoundly DISRESPECTFUL


It's not only disrespectful, it is arrogant as well. To think that your posting style is better or more effective, in other words better than someone else's, is arrogance.

It would be like me telling GB he needs to speak with the same accent I have if he wants people to listen to him the way they listen to me.

He did not grow up in the same places as I did, he did not have a french canadian mother and he probably couldn't do my accent even if he tried. Nor could I do his midwestern WI accent. And how would I even know what other people feel or respond to best, when they hear different accents.

Some people hate a NJ accent, and some people love them. Just like southern accents. Who would want a southern to sound just like a northerner?

Not a very good example, but posting styles may be kind of like accents. You got yours, and I got mine so lets just enjoy the difference and get on with things.

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Honestly, Star, so you agree that its a fruitful, productive tactic to try and change the posting style of others? Because that is exactly what OWL is admitting. He seems to feel he has the power to change the posting styles of others.

No I don't agree....and I wholly concede that I don't think any of us have the power to "directly" change anyone else. Only through changing ourselves....can we sometimes indirectly change others. But by the same token....each of us resists change and doesn't want others to try and change who we are....that includes you and me.

I don't expect my posts to change others.....as in the quote....I don't speak out because I want to change MB....I want to make sure that MB doesn't change ME.

Like you....I like who I am. Being "right" is not enough for me if I can't also meet my standards of ethics. I'm not imposing that on you....but I WILL express it.

And I agree with every word you spoke here and feel the same way. I don't have the power to change anyone on this forum, nor would I try. It is not and never was my goal to change you or OWL.


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graplin, I agree with starfish! I love your posts!

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Most times "change" occurs when the pain of staying the same outweighs the pain of change.

This is what I have learned.

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