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Gosh Mel I have always admired you and your posting every time I have read your great advice to others I guess you don't want to be my friend, I think I just got kicked out of the cool clique. Oh well, I will continue to admire you from afar.
I didn't feel I was gloating, I am sorry you see it that way, I never feel that the victim of adultery deserves it, but this one is real close for me. I do feel sorry for the wife, but the husband I think he deserves to loose everything
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I'm less interested in whether or not she chooses to forgive him -- she is married to him, has a family with him, and has every right to fight for her marriage.
I'm interested to see what HE is going to do other than apologize for his sins. Do you suppose he'll step down?
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On the news tonight he denied having any contact with prostitutes. A couple of weeks ago he said he was sorry for past sins. Now there seems to be a new spin on it.
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"Experience, that most brutal of teachers" -- CS Lewis. How, exactly, would she have known that she was living in a glass house? We are all living in glass houses. My mother used to say, when you point your finger at someone else, three more are pointing back at you. This is exactly why the likes of Wendy Vitter and the ultraconservatives who whipped Clinton's bawdy activities into an impeachment, are now held up to ridicule for their remarks.
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I don't think he will step down. That would be something that he expects others to do, but not him. He will expect his apology to be accepted. And maybe it will be. but I think he and his wife should publically apologize to the Clintons
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I don't think he will step down. That would be something that he expects others to do, but not him. He will expect his apology to be accepted. And maybe it will be. but I think he and his wife should publically apologize to the Clintons Clinton stepped down?
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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For your viewing pleasure, if the moderators will allow it, a newspaper article from the Los Angeles Times explaining how Arnold Schwarzenegger (gov. CA) "got away" with his indiscretions, while Antonio Villaraigosa seems to be getting totally skewered for his: How Antonio can 'get away with it'
Villaraigosa could take some pages from Schwarzenegger's book in handling indiscretion.www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-op-mathews15jul15,1,3768097.story?ctrack=1&cset=true The article will probably not remain fully "live" and accessible past 7/18/2007 since the Times restricts access www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-op-mathews15jul15,1,3768097.story?ctrack=1&cset=true]web page[/url]
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Well, according to this article: Forbes article (warning: annoying advertising) He's not stepping down. He's denying the prostitute allegations while admitting to "serious sin" that he's keeping between himself, his wife, and his God. The previous politician who held his seat resigned due to discoveries of infidelities. What are the chances the 'serious sins' and the 'forgiveness' doesn't have to do with infidelity (with prostitutes or whoever)? And, should that have bearing whether he keeps his job - especially considering it seems as though he ran a campaign decrying infidelity? What do you guys think? Should public officials who are exposed to their constituents (talk about some effective exposure!) expect to loose their jobs (regardless of party)? Mys
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Um NO! but David Vitter was one of the more vocal republicans calling for Clinton to step down. He also called for Speaker of the House Livingston to step down over a similar scandal. And he then got elected to Livingstons vacated seat. All while he was visiting prostitues! That's what gets me steamed
THE HYPOCRACY!!!
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"This is exactly why the likes of Wendy Vitter and the ultraconservatives who whipped Clinton's bawdy activities into an impeachment, are now held up to ridicule for their remarks. Bullcrap. First off, this woman is a betrayed spouse. Being betrayed is not a political issue, but a marital issue. Clinton was no victim, this woman IS. No one deserves to be betrayed, not even "ultraconservatives," whatever that is. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> The cruelty shown by the clinton defenders on this thread is appalling. No one deserves to be betrayed by adultery, folks. Give it a rest.
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No? Really? I wouldn't mind a bit provided it was applied across the board without regard for position or party. I think holding our public officials to a higher standard is a good idea. Mys
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Um NO! but David Vitter was one of the more vocal republicans calling for Clinton to step down. He also called for Speaker of the House Livingston to step down over a similar scandal. And he then got elected to Livingstons vacated seat. All while he was visiting prostitues! That's what gets me steamed
THE HYPOCRACY!!! They should ALL step down for this, IMO. clinton should have stepped down too. Anyone who cheats is not fit to serve.
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OK Mel
YOU give it a rest YOU were the first one firing the big guns here
HOW can you say Hilary was no victim. But this "lady" is
WHAT EVER!!!!!
I think both were victims I do not condone what Bill Clinton Did, nor do I oppose any BS, even Hilary Clinton for wanting to save their marriage.
It is DAVID VITTERS who should be strung up Him and his wife owe apologies to Clinton and Livingston.
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HOW can you say Hilary was no victim. But this "lady" is
WHAT EVER!!!!! I said BILL clinton was no victim, I didn't mention Hillary.
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I'm with Mel - I think they should all step down. But reading about the mayor in LA, the political experts say that a wife leaving a politician over an affair is the kiss of death for his career. It's interesting.
But I feel for all the betrayed, ultra conservative, liberal, black, white, whatever.
And I'm relieved that I am not in their shoes. Adultery is bad enough without the whole world watching (and commenting).
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the political experts say that a wife leaving a politician over an affair is the kiss of death for his career. It's interesting. Make infidelity the kiss of death to a politician's career, regardless. Maybe that would send a message about how serious the problem is. We "let" our leaders sweep it under the rug, then wonder why it's so endemic in society. Mys
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I'm with you all the way Mys.
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Well Mel,
I don't understand why you would want to defend this type of hypocrisy
People who stand on a platform of moral superiority and talk down others family values, should at least be responsible enough to live what they preach.
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Make infidelity the kiss of death to a politician's career, regardless. Maybe that would send a message about how serious the problem is. We "let" our leaders sweep it under the rug, then wonder why it's so endemic in society.
Mys Agree. I don't give a damn about a politicians "career," I only want to know if he is fit to serve. Cheaters should not be given positions of public trust. They are not fit to serve.
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Well Mel,
I don't understand why you would want to defend this type of hypocrisy
People who stand on a platform of moral superiority and talk down others family values, should at least be responsible enough to live what they preach. Like you are doing to this betrayed spouse?
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