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Who the heck are you quoting there??

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Like FCF said, the involvement of the police and the repeated threats by her to involve others during your disputes-- its abusive and manipulative. I never, ever tell a woman in an abusive relationship to try to stick it out for the kids, so I am definately not going to tell you to do the same.

You need to get your butt back home (hopefully this Friday) and keep it planted right there. Could you support yourself and your child on what you make right now? If not, quietly but vigilently begin looking for a solution to that problem so that you have a better chance at full custody. Begin keeping a journal (HIDE IT) of your interactions with the wife, because you will need it later. Its also a really good way of keeping yourself from being gaslighted. I also want to stress, yet again, once you get back home, that you do not leave it, for any reason!

What state are you in?

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" The State does not care because you threatend my life and therefore the life of our unborn child. I know in the heat of the moment people say things they don't really mean, and I would like to think that was the case with you. But you were pretty convincing at the time."

Go for it guys-ignore me

but don't ignore that above
There is a story here

and it needs to be heard.

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Who the heck are you quoting there??

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Its just a really, really good example why most abused men never tell.

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Look, we never know if we are getting 100% of the story. People omit what they want all the time. But, I have seen some pretty whacko women and I wouldn't put it past them to lie to get what they want. Society tends to believe the woman over the man in these situations and women KNOW that and use it to their advantage. You know... one bad apple spoils the bunch. It hurts women who really do need help.

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Women are just as "violent" as men, except they abuse their spouse via manipulation schemes instead of their fists. We have seen many wayward wives over the years who had their husband thrown in jail based on false information.


"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

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FWIW:


The quote that Max is referring to was in an email from the WS to the BS Sister.

It wasn't made up by Max.

TOMK seems to be fairly forthright around here, but I still twinged reading that email quote.

And BS's can lie also.

I do not think that TOMK's WS is as crazy as Jamesus's for example.

And MEDC has a very good radar for this kind of stuff, sniffing it out early.

MEDC has been around on this thread alot, so, I'm sticking with MEDC, that TOMK's is on the up and up.

TOMK:

I hope that your case on Friday turns out OK. That the Judge throws it out.

There is support for you here. But if you are hiding something, come clean. If your not hiding anything, that will remain apparent to all as well.

Just my .02

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" The State does not care because you threatend my life and therefore the life of our unborn child. I know in the heat of the moment people say things they don't really mean, and I would like to think that was the case with you. But you were pretty convincing at the time."

Princessmeggy... I actually was wondering where MM got his quote from (the one above). Sorry for the miscommunication, I just saw your post! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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I went back and read. We have no way of knowing if she's lying or not. It would be a way to keep her H away if she does think she's pregnant with someone else's baby. At this point, it's his word against hers. Their is not tape recording of the incident. He has said she's made threats that she could ruin his life with a phone call.

If you do move back in TOMK... invest in a good voice recorder and keep it handy, and hidden!!!

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Thanks LG. I have an odd feeling about this situation...but it could just be that his wife is acting very strange. TOMK has answered my very direct question to my satisfaction regarding his wife. Her credibility is totally shot if she has lied to the police....and again, my vast amount of experience would support his version of events...women do this stuff every single day.
I get the feeling that TOMK has been so passive with his wife that she could convince him that he was abusive even if it was her doing the abuse. Bottom line is, she deserves to be handed her butt by the judge for lying regarding the RO.
I just don't see a way that living with this woman will ever be safe unless she gets serious psychological help. TOMK already knows that she will even resort to having him locked up to get her way. Couple that with a vast amount of immature behavior on her part at other times in this relationship and I feel that TOMK needs to seriously reconsider his desire to go back to such an abusive woman. He should find some way to afford an attorney and handle marital issues as well as going after her for the false charges.

TOMK has been victimized by his wife...based on the information we have, there is nothing that suggests otherwise. He is absolutely right that this matter would have been viewed differently by many had the genders been reversed. The hypocrisy that exists on these threads is reflective of the way that society as a whole views domestic violence.
As I have said many times here...abuse is abuse...it doesn't matter the gender of the offender.

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So I saw the Lawyer regarding my criminal charges. She can't garuantee but feels pretty confident the charges will be dropped.... after all the paperwork I gave her, told her the story, and from the stuff she already knew. But wants me prepared anyway.

She can't come to the RO hearing with my Friday, she's a court appoint attorney for the criminal charges. But advises me not to discuss the charges in this hearing. She's also fairly confident that the Ro will be dismissed.

Low and behold, I get back to my office and i have yet another email form my wife. For all the people who thinkI'm hiding something... here's her side of the story. the only edits I make here are to remove names...
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Subject: Information/Paperwork

I thought about contacting you for hours...after you dropped off the note and article links.

My DR still says there is no way my diagnosis is a result of anything other than unprotected sex (even oral) with an infected person.
Yesterday at my appointment I asked what the chances are that this was dormant in me for years and the answer was a resounding no. I have had these routine tests every year since I was 18 and on the pill. (they had all my medical records) Results are always negative and my reproductive organs show no signs of damage. I still had negative tests after we were married until now.

Can you truly imagine the hurt? The frustration and anger?
Knowing that I am now at risk for pre-term labor with this baby is all that more unnerving.

You and I were not happy. We fought all the time...and for me it was out of frustration with all that you were doing.
You were not spending time with me...your wife. You spent hours online...I was obvioulsy not enough.

I want to trust you. I want to believe you did not cheat. But too many things don't make sense.
Imagine the sheer devastation...while I am carrying your child.

I hope that you are gut wrenchingly honest with yourself if no one else.
If we had gone to counseling the last time we split, perhaps we would not be where we are today.

I am sorry for all that you are going through, but in many ways it is nothing compared to the ****** I am in right now.

With all that said, I believe you are a man with issues...but nevertheless a good man. I do not wish to see you spend time in jail for something that was said in anger.

We'll need to talk when you are beyond your court date and the bail conditions no longer apply. To figure out where to go from here and what is best for our son and the baby. I still love you and I always will. I just don't know if there can be a future for our family.

I wish you nothing but love and happiness.

(PS - I'll send the EZPass transponder since you removed my car anyway.)

L

So right there she has taken away her alibi I gave to her. She says that, according to her Dr, she got thsi STD recently. And as my tests are negative... what does that mean???

Now...sadly, I think I might do a peternal test on my son. though if I find out I'm not his biological father, I will be devistated. I will still love him as much as I do now, nothing between he and I will change. But the relationiship I have with my wife.... oh my goodness.

She doesn't go into detail about her side of the story, but I think you can see from this email I'm not omitting anything.

I'm hopefull from this email that the RO will be lifted and I can go home Friday.

Regardless of what happened int he past, being away from my family for over a week HAS OPENED MY EYES, that she's not at fault, WE ARE. I know I have some things I can work on, and if givent he opportunity to, I think we can work through this. For the children's sake at least. And build from there.

I hope she hasn't cheated on me. I hope I'm not that gullible. If she did, then I am not giving her what she needs, I'll find out what that is and make sure she doesn't feel the need to go find it elsewhere.

Put simply, I love her.

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SHE IS AT FAULT. She had you arrested...for NO reason. SHE owns that.

Offer a polygraph to prove you have not cheated.
Ask her to submit to the same thing.

Something is NOT right here.

To me it sounds like she is alying the groundwork as to why she had an affair and why YOU are at fault for it.

You really need to develop a backbone and a set of nuts quickly...this woman takes advantage of you and you buy her crapp. If she cheated she did so because of her own short comings...not yours.

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Society tends to believe the woman over the man in these situations and women KNOW that and use it to their advantage. You know... one bad apple spoils the bunch. It hurts women who really do need help.

Yep, and I fall victimn to the stero type simply cuz I'm a man and never called the cops on my wife for her abuse towards me....

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At this point... do what you can to fulfill the requirements of the RO and get back in the house with your son. Worry about about paternity issues down the road... take one step at a time. Offer to take a lie detector test to clear your name.

It seems like she already saying things that give her an excuse if she's caught in an A. Keep your eyes open!

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My BIL is married to a woman who tries very hard to rule him. Some of the games she plays... lordy! They wanted us to go out for drinks with them when they were in town last. My H and I declined... we hate the drama!! They fight a lot and it's always instigated by her. I could almost see her pulling something like this if my BIL "stepped out of line" in her mind. Lately he's been standing up to her more, thank God.

So, I beleive things like this can happen.

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TOMK...

I've been reading your story...I am a FWW myself...Here is what I see...

You are being gaslighted by her, BIGTIME!!! She is the guilty party and turning it around on you...Don't think for a second that she thinks you cheated...Her reaction just SCREAMS otherwise...Her behavior is not at all the behavior of a pregnant, devastated BS, IMO...Oh, it is what most people SAY they would do if they found out that their spouse cheated, but it almost never happens that way...She is acting out what she believes most people would do in that situation, but she is incorrect and too bad for her, that you have found MB and the good folks here that have well honed [censored] detectors...

I want you back in that house and snooping on her ASAP-I pray that is what happens on Friday...Do you have any friends that would be willing to stake out your house in the meantime? I'd be willing to bet that if OM lives anywhere near that he is there daily/nightly right now...Can you gain access to her cell phone bill online? I believe very much that you will find an OM in the picture...

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FWW ~ 47 ~ Me
FBH ~ 50 ~ MrWondering
DD ~ 17
Dday ~ 2005 ~ Recovered

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you want an admission from her that the charges were false. You DO NOT want to ever go through this again. She now knows she can have you hauled off to court.

If you don't resolve some of the underlying issues that have existed for years with your wife...who has shown herself to be exceptionally unstable and not willing to lead an honorable life...then you will continue to ride a very problematic roller coaster until you one day divorce.

Holding on to a marriage at all costs is wrong. You should do everything you can to legally secure your rights to see your son...but you should make sure that if you are going to return home that your wife has a complete change of attitude regarding your role, marital counseling and owning her own issues. She needs a profound mental health intervention.

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You will need to become your own private investigator!!

It is interesting she was sooooooo worried about you having any keyloggers on the computers at home. Someone with nothing to hide wouldn't be concerned with that.

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What is "gaslighting"? I've read this term a number of times. no clue what that means.

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What is "gaslighting"? I've read this term a number of times. no clue what that means.
Wikipedia on Gaslighting and its effects

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