Owl,

Its hard to argue with logic like that ... very simple and to the point.

LA,

I've re-read your post twice and I "think" I understand your point. However, although I had a couple of direct dust-ups with a few of the more "unyielding" posters, what really brought all of this to a head for me, was their indefensible treatment of 2 other (********) new posters in the past two days that both stated they were leaving the site after only 1 day due to the rude treatment (jumping to ridiculous conclusions and baseless accusations) that brought about my rant.

I had no problem defending my own points of view, and at times got some enjoyment from the verbal jousting, but I don't care for cyber-bullying of others, especially those who are hurting &/or vulnerable, and/or moderators who encourage them by looking the other way.

Many of the new posters are simply LOST in the most incredible emotional pain they've ever experienced, and are quite vulnerable, and to witness the way they were allowed to be abused by people who proclaimed a desire to help, while doing just the opposite turned my stomach and a few of us spoke up about their treatment only to be edited by the mods, while the clique's outrageous posts were allowed to stand. ******, after I came to the defense of *****, *****was allowed to insinuate that I supported child molestation and was unfit to be around my own daughter and/or granddaughter ... and the post still stands.

By rights, I should've demanded and received an apology from ****** and the mods that condoned his/her actions.

Anyway, like I said before, I'm just finding this site to be more and more unfulfilling. While I will forever appreciate the theories/principles of MB, and how they helped us deal with what occurred and establish proper boundaries for the future, I see my participation on these message boards lessening with time. However, opinions and circumstances are always evolving, so like most other things in my life right now ... I'm just taking it one day at a time.

turns out Myrev, that every one of the accusations was true.

and also, you failure to recognize blatant abuse does put any children you have in harms way.

LTK,

Ive been reading these posts for awhile, and now decided to join and state my mine after I read all of LTK's posts.

You go LTK!! I believe that how you feel should be stated, weather your in the wrong or the right. You were just stating facts that should be addressed in these posts.

This post on Sadwife is a very comlicating story. Everyone is against this WH, without knowing all the facts.

You were just stating and asking facts so this sadwife could make her own call on this situation.

Any good Lawyer would would ask these questions. You are one sincere person.

There should be more people in this world that should take facts in to consideration.

I hope that LTK will stay on this website. He should beable to state his beliefs.

*Every* one? Including the one that ****edit****


This is patently untrue, medc. There is very little that can be truly recognized online other than IP addresses, and even those can be spoofed. We could all be hiding behind identities. This is not real life.

My Rev, LtK, stick around if you feel like it; leave if you must. If you do leave, make it about *you*, not about someone else. People have their own styles around here. My one word of advice is that even those whose styles you may find objectionable have words of wisdom now and then.

PK

Thank you penaltykill for attempting to set the record straight.

"IF" I quit posting here, it will be because I no longer find it beneficial. I've seen a few posters mentioning leaving for awhile because some of these topics were causing them triggers or to stay depressed, and I can see that in myself at times. So a mini-break every so often may be a good thing, but rest assured I will not be "driven" off.

Thanks again.

did I say ***edit****? quote me.

and you are dead wrong about the abuse thing. A parent that cannot recognize something so obvious is a danger to their children...that is a fact bourne out of years of experience. The story was one of blatant abuse....think for a minute about medical or other training...facts or a story are given and conclusions are reached based on those. If ab&c are present....it is likely D. failing to account for "D" is putting the "patient" or in this case...children at risk. Basic logic....isn't it?

PK, I know you think you are setting the record straight...s quote me. I just went through every post over on that thread and I never said that. Quote me or admit you are wrong.

Well I've been edited - why, I am not sure. There were no bad words, and I certainly didn't intend to slander anyone.

medc, "setting the record straight" was not my phrase, I did not say that was what I was doing. Please do not tell me what I am thinking. I will extend the same courtesy to you.

This is what you said, regarding the yankee thread:

The thread to which you were referring had quite a few accusations flying around, in short order. My point was how could they *all* be true? How can we really know anything for sure - there was no agreement on that thread. Given the differences of opinion on the thread, I did feel that it was presumptuous to accuse someone of being a bad parent/grandparent because they did not recognize abuse. Not everyone agreed that yankee was a real poster, let alone an abuse victim. One could draw many different conclusions from the poster and the thread, and that is exactly what happened.

My main point was that MyRev and LTK shouldn't leave because of a difference of opinion and style. There will always be differences of opinion and style.

PK

I just wanted to say I agree with you MyRev. This site has changed into something I don't recognize anymore with school yard bullies running the show.

The post that went crazy where there were accusations of sexual assault, the person making the "statements" talked as though they were in the room when the incident occured. No one knows for sure what happened but the two people involved. The woman in question could have taken the mans hand and put it on her body. We have NO IDEA.

The latest person has me suspicious that she is troll. I agree with schoolbus's assesment of that poster.

Also, this ****** person. I don't know much about her, but they are bashing her left and right. I haven't seen her say anything that is THAT terrible. Maybe she chose a bad name?

If you get on the "cliques" radar though, nothing you say is off limits. You are pond scum, end of story.

Oh well... I'll still enjoy my weekend. Regardless. He11, I even had a totally awesome evening with my family last night. Nothing makes me feel better than hearing "I love you mommy".

*****rocking the boat, something you are not allowed to do.

I think it's hilarious, everyone scrambling to shut him/her up ... someone who isn't biting back for a change and they just don't know what to do, except scramble.

Jumping to conclusions is turning to an oplypic sport around here, Every one wants the gold medal for the biggest jump!

***********threads a classic example of how when this rubbish is allowed to flourish it becomes the order of the day!

And no I'm not fron Gloryb <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> The standard line around here to shut people up.

Cue theme from Jaws...Blood has been smelt in the MB waters...sigh...

Mrs. W <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

Bit like when the clique gets together <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

Everything these peole are saying is TRUE.
This forum is going down hill fast because of the name calling, conclusion jumping, prejudgement ideas of a few who take MB principles as the 'holy grail' of everything that is right with the world. No exceptions!!

It is looking more and more like a cult with one line of thought allowed only, something Dr H probably never intended nor wants.... from what I understand he is happy to modify to accomodate different circumstance and at the end of the day leave it to the individual to make the final decision on their own marriage. As it should be.

I find it pretty sick LL that you only show up here when there is some stir going on...you come here to talk about how very much this forum is "going downhill" and pointing your angry little directives at others INSTEAD of actually offering ADVICE to HELP people here that need it-how exactly do you expect your finger pointing to help anything or anyone? As per usual, helping is NOT your intention here...I see right through you...


Mrs. W

<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> *SNICKER* <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Sorry, couldn't resist that little gem-so funny on many levels! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />

Mrs. W

LOL

Ok, I've been avoiding posting on this thread, but I simply can't resist your post Mrs. W!

I too LMAO at that line!!!

OMG!!! It's so funny!

~ Marsh

mrswondering,
you aren't a very nice person, way to kick a person when they are down. Way to go you should be so proud of yourself. Remember those who cast the first stone live in glass houses.

I didn't kick him wiser-sorry you took it that way...that sentence IS funny...I'm not making fun of LTKramer...Heck, I'd gladly laugh WITH him about it...I once posted the words "rush and roulette" on a thread here-total brainfart, I knew then that it was "russian roulette", but that isn't what I typed...I've been teased mercilessly for it, and have laughed AT MYSELF with people...Taking yourself seriously all the time is a real drag, don'cha'think? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Mrs. W

Dearest wife,

A great example of a brain-fart, if I do say so myself, is this interesting mix of methaphors.

You've got:

1. "People who live in glass houses should not throw stones"

2. 'Let him that is without sin throw the first stone"

Personally, I find that people who live in glass houses really aren't, typically, more guilty or sinful than their neighbours. They are just likely to come off much worse than people who live in brick houses if and when the stone throwing starts. Further...suppose'n they threw the first stone...well, that's just plain ole stupidity.

<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Mr. Wondering - King of the brain-fart

You Do !! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> And what exactly would that be?

I don't post to all and sundry for a couple of reasons. Mostly because I don't believe in giving advice and then not hanging around to offer a follow up. And quite simply, I don't have the time to do that.

Secondly... I don't give advice I haven't experienced personally .. re infidelity in a marriage. Thankfully I am not in that category but even if I were I'm not sure I would follow the rules around here. I've read the book but haven't studied it to the latter as some. I like to get advice but I think for myself.

I enjoy reading the well balanced posts of some people who offer worthy advice and in a respectful manner. There's many times I feel I would like to get involved in some thread that I identify with and feel I can offer helpful advice, but why would I want to risk having my opinion twisted out of shape to suit someone else control agenda and then have to explain again and again what I said!

I am offended by the name calling and disgusting behaviour displayed here at times and I say so, why shouldn't I ? The same people who point at the sign and tell posters who the forum belongs to need to have a better look at the sign because they themselves are GUESTS here and every poster who is looking for help should be welcome not just the ones who fit the criteria of some.

I have to wonder about people who sit at the computer day in day out helping the world have 'better' marriages, rather than BE in their own marriage. Actions speak louder than words ... I suspect a little deception some times and mostly from the people who talk the most.

Empty vessels make the loudest noise! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />


It's not hard to spot the problems here, the same few posters are continually in the middle of any drama, offending posters, twisting words, name calling, jumping to conclusions, at times making things worse rather than better. Over time there have been many people who've called them on it. I hope they continue to. I enjoy watching the arrogant few get put in their place. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> You can bet I'm not the only one!

Brainfart.... um.... sure MrsW.