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VERY well said, Mrs. W.

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Take a look at where NOT telling them has gotten. It has allowed her to have more A's and he is still ill.

Your reason for telling c/b provided so he knows this isn't a revenge thing since in his condition is not good.

Also, exposure may help him put her out if needed so that he and his children can have a more peaceful time for what is left.

He may also already know. If not his parents, can you check with the children to see how they are doing?

You will have to be careful how you present it more than trying to weasel out of presenting it to OW's H.

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Thanks so much for the replies. I have decided to tell OBS. I have tried calling twice today and gotten the answering machine both times. I am definately NOT telling my WH. If he finds out that I told the OBS, I will have to know that the NC has been broken. Then, we'll have to start all over again. So, please think of me trying to get through to the OBS.

Mrs. W: Your comments helped me to realize how much this exposure is needed...thank you.

Loving: You also had a huge impact on my way of thinking...thank you.

Orchid: As far as I know their children are fine. Our children on the other hand are suffering. The only one who has truly opened up to me is the middle child. The oldest and the youngest just won't talk about it. The oldest especially...In her eyes, her daddy could never do any wrong, so this has been very hard on her.

Thanks again everyone...

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Mrs. W: Your comments helped me to realize how much this exposure is needed...thank you.

You are very welcome cee, you won't regret doing the right thing...I'm very proud of you-you're a good woman! Keep calling...Do not give up...Please come back and let us know when you have talked to OWH...I'd like to breathe a sigh of relief with you...I'm praying for your courage and the healing of all involved...

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As far as I know their children are fine. Our children on the other hand are suffering. The only one who has truly opened up to me is the middle child. The oldest and the youngest just won't talk about it. The oldest especially...In her eyes, her daddy could never do any wrong, so this has been very hard on her.

I would strongly suggest getting your children each a journal for them to write down their feelings. Tell them it can be private if they so choose, but they can share anything they would like. IMO, they need a safe place to vent their feelings if they aren't outwardly sharing.

Just my 2 cents for whatever it's worth.

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FB,

Big kudos on making your decision and taking action. Stay at it.

We're here for you...thank you for being here for you AND your marriage.

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I did it. I talked with OBS for about 25 minutes. It went really smoothly. He actually thanked me, because he had suspected something but did not have proof. He said she had been cold and indifferent to him for about 2 months now. He said that he would most definately be calling me back, because he had no one else to talk to. He is also shocked because we are(were) all friends. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

I am somewhat relieved, but now, I am afraid it is still going on. Do you think WH would say something to me if she calls and tells him that I outted her? I'm afraid that he won't and afraid that he will. What do I do next? Now, I'm almost more of in a mess than before....HELP PLEASE!!!!


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cee...

It's likely that if they are in contact now you'll know...An in contact WH would be livid over exposure and hard pressed not to let you know it, but that is a GOOD thing...You want exposure to make the infidels angry, then you know you've hit your mark and of course damaged the affair...And if they weren't in contact but she now contacts him due to the exposure, he'll likely let you know that too-which is also good, you want to know of any and all contact-If that happens you call the OWH back and let him know of the contact...You've got them cornered...Way to go!!!

If your husband comes to you angry, you remain calm and explain that you'll do whatever it takes to save your marriage...If he yells, you whisper...Stay frosty and don't get off track...Don't allow yourself to become engaged in any talk of divorce, you only do marriage...Become a robot where that is concerned...

Continue snooping for a while-you have every right to be doing that...What snooping methods have you been using to date?

And finally...ATTA GIRL!!! I'm proud of you...You did the honorable thing and gave two marriages their best shots at survival...Great going!

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Good job, feelingbroken! You can also send him here to this board to get help. You are getting great advice!


"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

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FB,

Just wanted to support Mel's suggestion...he's not alone, please send him here.

Hope you're experiencing right now that feeling broken isn't being broken.

Way to go!

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Well, gang...kind of a setback. WH had been planning a fishing trip to the Outerbanks for quite a while with his buddies. I didn't like the idea of him going this soon after Dday and made hints that "I don't know what I'll do without you while you're gone". Evidently that wasn't enough of a "I don't want you to go" tactic. So, on Sat. morning he gets up and leaves at 5 am for a week long vacation with the fishes. If I had committed the A there would have been no way no how that I would've left him for a week regardless of what I was going to be doing. That's how I think he justified it...I'm going to be with 10 other guys fishing all day every day. In the meantime, on the day I exposed OW to OBS, I felt like he wasn't telling me something. He didn't act right and I didn't feel right. We go to bed and we didn't snuggle until we fell asleep like we were doing since the A.

So, I just couldn't take it anymore and called him while he is at the beach. I only asked him 2 questions: Have you been calling, texting, seeing OW? He said No. Has she contacted you in ANY way? "Well, I did get a text message from her Friday afternoon,(exposure to OBS day) but I didn't read it and just erased it." BINGO!!! I felt like I had been betrayed all over again. I told him that this was part of this trust issue. To his credit, I hadn't requested to be told if she did try to contact him...I guess I just ASSUMED.....stupid, stupid, stupid I know!

We talked about counselling again. So, how do you know that the counselor you select believes in trying to SAVE a marriage instead of breaking one down? I've read statistics and some counselors actually suggest divorce. We have said that this is definatly not an option.

WH wants me to get past this A so badly. I want to, too. It's just not happening...Dday has only been 4 weeks today. He's watched the video about infidelity and he realizes it will take time, possibly 2 to 3 years.

I/We need some sort of help. Taking Xanex for the rest of my life just won't cut it.

HELP PLEASE!!

Can anyone suggest a counselor in Triad area of NC? Or Roanoke area of VA?

Thank you everyone,
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Have you read SAA and HNHN along with taking the EN questionnaires? If so, then call Steve @ MB for a phone consultation.

Worth every penny spent.

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"I don't know what I'll do without you while you're gone". Evidently that wasn't enough of a "I don't want you to go" tactic.

Why didn't you flat out tell him you didn't want him to go rather than make him read your mind as to what your intentions were?

Flat out tell him what you want!





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LC: Stupidity. And the fact that through all of our marriage, I have been afraid to make him mad. He can be set off at just the simplest things. So, me and our children learned to do anything not to make him angry.(All just verbal fortunately.) So, stupidity and fear, I guess.


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The best thing my DH and I did for our marriage was to learn how to communicate. I get the impression this is something you and your H really need to work on.

I was much like you in the past that I never really told him what I wanted/needed. I have learned to do tell him things the right way. We both use to walk on eggshells as opposed to saying what we meant and sort of just assumed the other person knew what we wanted.

Are you in MC or planning on going?

How are your children doing? Did you think about my suggestion to have them journal their feelings?

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FB,

First, how to find a counselor...I did an internet search with the keywords "Christian" "pro-marriage" "marital counseling" and came up with our MC.

First session, I asked about Dr. Harley and this website. He was familiar. Had to open my mouth, not assume, not wait for...asked. Each time you do, you acknowledge your own bravery--so you experience being brave. Each time you assert, you're on your way to forming the habit of acting assertively.

That's how humans work.

I can see in your posts where you talk yourself out of what you really want...disguise, hide and ignore your own self. What a great thing to realize! Congrats...you see where you hold your WH to acting, thinking, believing, perceiving as YOU would do. First step in breaking enmeshment is being aware of it.

He's not you. If he were, you wouldn't have married him.

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Okay, maybe it wouldn't have been legal.

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You realize that DJs (Harley's Love Busters...Disrespectful Judgments) kick your own butt. They do so inside yourself, in your marriage, and actually, in every relationship you will have. Great to kick the DJs to the curb.

I believe this because I lived it. I would have said and done exactly what you did with his trip...no doubt in my mind. I created and nurtured resentment like my most prized possession. In MC, learned to stop doing that to myself.

More congrats on identifying your fear of WH's anger.

Do you fear other people's anger? Strangers, parents, siblings, friends? When they are upset with you, are you the cause?

I ask this because my DH feared my anger. I got the flip side of this...and when our MC said to me, "He fears you" I about flipped out right there! I was devastated...until I looked at the whole...DH feared everyone.

Whew.

Didn't mean that my anger (AO's) weren't fearful...they certainly were. Only I had already begun eliminating them, revoking my permission to act out, because that's not what I wanted nor how I wanted to be...didn't want that experience. Same for DJ's and SD's, lying and IBs, too.

I feared disapproval like DH feared anger. Come to find out, he feared disapproval within the anger...he believed that anger was the end of love...the opposite of it. He believed if he felt anger, he didn't love.

Takes time to process...I couldn't own his stuff. His fears were his...not me being the cause, control or cure. Had to learn my own boundaries, what I did that wasn't really me...wasn't who I really was inside...just me being my parents as a parent...this was my half of learning how to partner.

What is to stop you now from asking your WH to come back now, from his trip? Can you ask and let the outcome go?

Also, what are the steps of transparency for you? List them out...get clear on what will rebuild your trust over time and what won't...only you can decide. That's yours. His choice will be to do or not do. Not about you. About him.

And about viewing your H's being set off at the "stupidest" of things...this will come to bite you hard right now. Would you like him viewing your triggers as the "stupidest" of things? When we judge what others are angry about, we distract from the way they choose to express that anger by judging the cause of it.

Adult humans trigger cumulatively...you may discover this as you trigger about his A. If someone leaving a plastic lid out on the living room table blew his top...could mean the time he was belted for doing so when he was small...may say to him what was said to him...how disrespectful, that he was a slob, a lazy bum and a lout. And each time he sees a plastic lid on a coffee table, he re-experiences that huge pain fully, and fear, again and again. Accumulating over decades. Can grow to mean that he's not loved or cared about at all.

I'm not saying that you deserve his pain flung out over you and the kids. I'm saying that judging what sets him off distracts you from intimacy, of knowing who he is...your judgment stops you, can make you feel righteous, smarter, more together than him...to trigger over such a stupid thing.

Reality is that he triggers, it matters, and his acting out remains unacceptable. Except...you accepted it, tried to control it, prevent it, change it...because you took on being the cause, control and cure of it. Learn about boundary enforcements for behaviors...so you don't put the boundary around him NOT feeling pain or fear (anger is a secondary emotion...either pain or fear is present first).

You're at the point of recovery, and I would like you to stay aware there are two recoveries...your personal recovery and marital recovery. Sometimes, these overlap...most of the time, they are separate. Lots of growth, change and newness involved in both.

Only you can control your own personal recovery. And I believe, together you can build a marriage which outdistances the old in reward and intimacy. Like no more eggshells for people's anger. No more living your life based on others' possible responses. Owning your own life fully, side by side a FWH...partnering, not parenting.

It's a great life, FB. You've already proven you're brave (exposure to OWH). Know you are and that you can do this, every step of the way, 'k?

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