I agree with a lot of what you say meremortal. I hope Luis takes note of it.

OT:

I honestly can't comprehend how it would be beneficial to the patient for a mental health professional to endorse the ignoring or ignorance of a scientific fact. It is a proven fact that human life begins at conception. It is only debated in the same way that some folks debate whether or not jews, blacks, or even females, are really as human as some standard they endorse.

And in any case it should be crystal clear that Luis' resurrection of a religious faith he was obviously totally ignoring just a few weeks ago is a tad too convenient to be be sincere, agreed? The bottom line is Luis, like many a wayward, simply wants to get out of his mess as quickly and painlessly (for himself) as possible.

Shouldn't a mental health professional encourage a person in Luis' self-inflicted-situation to accept responsibility and respond to the naturally occurring consequences of his actions with maturity and integrity? I'm willing to bet that Scott Peterson assured himself that his unborn baby boy wasn't really human or alive yet when he killed his pregnant wife Lacy. But is the oh-so-convenient belief in dehumanization of the victim really anywhere as relevent as the fact that the one who wants to kill them is thinking and behaving in a despicable, selfish way? It's still in fact the killing of innocent human life BECAUSE somebody doesn't want to face the consequences of the choices they made. Again, I would think THAT would be of more concern to the mental health professional than reprimanding folks who try to defned the life of the innocent babe! WHY would a mental health professional in any way support the patient resorting to killing a child FOR THE PURPOSE of reverting to the responsibility-free status of a child themselves?!?

Wierdness man!?!?! (or do I REALLY think way differently than mental health professionals do? LOL)

Brilliant MM....great post!

The problem here seems ot be that Luis believes this fact more than anything else too... sadly.

Luis's main problem is selfish entitlement manifested in 2 ways right here - 1. An affair 2. An abortion.

It really is part of the exact same mindset.

and until he changes that thinking at a cellular level nothing will change

hhhhmmmm... no Luis post in a few days....

<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> He MUST be too busy SHOWING his wife that he is worthy of her trust.

<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> He MUST be too busy BEING SINCERE EVERY TIME he apologizes to her for the HORRIBLE acts of betrayal he's committed.

<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> He MUST be too busy SHOWING her just how much he loves her.

<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> He MUST be too busy LEARNING THIS IS NOT ABOUT HIS desire to get past this, but more for HER TO TAKE ALL THE TIME SHE NEEDS to feel like she can love and trust him again.

<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> He MUST be begining to UNDERSTAND healing process will ONLY go as fast as SHE WANTS it to.

Good job Luis <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> ....keep it up! But know we are here for you WHEN you needs us!!!

...and we're here for her if she so decides too <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Hi guys,
I'm here. I was quite shocked by the way this thread developed. I'm sorry I even mentioned the A word... Now that some time has passed, it is even clearer that the OW was lying about the pregnancy. A couple msgs passed through my email filters and their tone gave her in.

(my wife agrees that I should filter the OW, not simply change emails. We might need some of those msgs later as evidence. On my own, I never check the trash and have kept full NC)

We are hanging in here, slowly healing. I'm taking your advice and doing everything I can for her. I used to be very selfish, self-centered and felt entitled to all kinds of things... Not anymore.

I'll come back for help from time to time. Things are much better at home, but this also makes it even clearer that full recovery will take a long time.

Luis

Luis:

Welcome back.

Yes, recovery is HARDER.

But if you do it right, Your LIFE will be better.

LG