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mimi_here #1977380 11/23/07 05:44 PM
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my XS is still my WS and the bonds of matrimony are not dissolved by God

If this is your belief system, then why were you dating? I wonder what God would think about that BACK, considering you claim to believe you are still married.

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The hostility being expressed is a matter of anger at a belief system.

Please point out where I was hostile in my reponse to you. You won't be able to because I was not.

Back,

I think you feed on the attention you're getting here; negative, hostile or otherwise, for your very unconventional use of Harley's principles.

I wonder why you're here when you seem to already know everything there is to know to recover your former-marriage.

If you're so certain of your plan, then why do you post here for support.

My observation is the greater majority, if not all the MB member's responses to your threads have been negated and vehemently countered by you, with your consistent "heel's-dug-in" response that no one knows YOUR situation or special plan. And they all need to "BACK OFF".

Eventually you may get your wish and the MB Vets will, and you will no longer have the benefit of so many wise and experienced minds supporting you.

Something to think about.

God Bless,
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I certainly am not, imo, "feeding" on any negativity. I did not find your comment particularly hostile. I did think, however, it was an effort to "correct me". So I did make an effort to clarify the definitions and why I view them differently.

That people know concepts intellectually does not necessarily translate into emotional capacity to "walk them out" consistently.

I'm not claiming to know anything successfully. Knowledge has to become capacity and strength to do.

And I've not yet arrived. However, meditating on these things is an effort, on my part, to internalize them.

I am, perhaps, one of the "weakest"... imo... of those "able" to "walk out" what I know intellectually.

In "real life" situations... I experience paralyzing panic attacks in this situation. I am an extremely empathetic person.

The only way, imo, I will be able to walk out a Plan A is if the other party (I'll avoid acronyms)... has been sufficiently "broken" by a Plan B.

There are many on the site who have "walked out" a much better Plan A.

In fact, I have probably never Plan A'd... as I consider.

My "Plan B" was guaranteed, perhaps, without going back to "re-do a Plan A"... to result in divorce.

And if I don't go back... if I don't change something... the Plan B will be permanent... and I will spend the rest of my life alone.

I'm not seeing a great deal of compassion for myself in my situation.

And I'm really not certain how much longer I will have capacity to bear up under the attacks. However, if people do see that I am standing on what I truly believe, support may result.

God bless

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Just as we have recently dealt with a person coming here and wasting others time with distractions, I believe that once again we are dealing with a troll. Sorry, I don't buy one bit of this story. I also think that Back is posting under another name here as well....and we just got rid of at least 4 different posters ************

Her story is a bit too out there to be true imho....

just a gut instinct again.

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And I'm really not certain how much longer I will have capacity to bear up under the attacks. However, if people do see that I am standing on what I truly believe, support may result.


Focus on YOURSELF, Back..

Don't worry about OTHER PEOPLE...and what their motives are..

What do you want to get out of this forum?

I think you're not going to find anyone to help you PLAN A once you are DIVORCED...that's for sure...

It is what it is..

It does not work that way...


I made it happen..a joyful life..filled with peace, contentment, happiness and fabulocity.
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my XS is still my WS and the bonds of matrimony are not dissolved by God

If this is your belief system, then why were you dating? I wonder what God would think about that BACK, considering you claim to believe you are still married.

Jo

Excellent question!!! Additionally Back, you also state that according to your beliefs you will not be able to remarry unless your XWS dies...So why bother to date until then? I'm confused. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

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my XS is still my WS and the bonds of matrimony are not dissolved by God

If this is your belief system, then why were you dating? I wonder what God would think about that BACK, considering you claim to believe you are still married.

Jo

My view of God is the God of all grace. He is completely nonjudgmental and is a God of Love.

I felt no condemnation or judgment from the Lord... but I tested and I tried... to see if perhaps I was "wrong".

Theology is not threatened by practical world experience.

Every so often, I'd "test" to see if perhaps the Lord would release me. Temptation?

He wouldn't release me. And I could experientially know that the bond still exists... not at an emotional level... but at a spiritual level I am powerless to change. And there's nothing to change that.

(My "dating" is not all that worldly... )

I don't think God had a big issue with it. I'm quite prayerful about it and have been very respected.

God bless

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okay...straight jacket anyone....

Back...please get help.

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Back,

Will you please answer Mr. W's questions to you (from the after divorce/dating board) regarding how your divorce came to pass? Who filed? Did you or your attorney sign the decree or did the judge order it?

And Back, I'm curious, why are you posting here if it isn't your intention to get feedback from others? You do understand I'm sure that God uses His foot soldiers to help in getting His work here done...I'd just say be careful that you don't miss something valuable due to your tunnel vision on this...

Mrs. W


P.S. I noticed you called my husband "Mr. Wonderful" in several of your posts...Now to ME, he is certainly "Mr. Wonderful", but around here he simply goes by "Mr. Wondering"...(I posted about this to you on the other board, so it may be redundant-just wanted to let ya know!)

typo... I honestly missed his name and glanced and saw what I saw. I havent seen the other board...

as for the foot soldiers... it's oft been said that the Christian army is the only army that shoots it's own wounded.

i've endured enough "friendly fire"... and wish you the best.

i hope to come back, someday, and give a positive report.

However, I've given up on receiving any support.

God bless,

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Back...I'm confused as to why you seem to refuse to address my posts to you...Any particular reason?

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N'mind...lol


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Not that I agree with back's position....

But not all of us believe that a civil divorce decree is the end of a marriage.


~ Pain is a given, misery is optional ~
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However, I've given up on receiving any support.

That is because you want support for doing the wrong stuff.

That isn't going to happen.

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But not all of us believe that a civil divorce decree is the end of a marriage.


I agree with her viewpoint on this, too, BR..

I think she needs to do PLAN B...

She has a POINT if she wasn't so SENSITIVE...and I even understand her OVERSENSITIVITY..been there, too...


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Back,

Will you please answer Mr. W's questions to you (from the after divorce/dating board) regarding how your divorce came to pass? Who filed? Did you or your attorney sign the decree or did the judge order it?

And Back, I'm curious, why are you posting here if it isn't your intention to get feedback from others? You do understand I'm sure that God uses His foot soldiers to help in getting His work here done...I'd just say be careful that you don't miss something valuable due to your tunnel vision on this...

Mrs. W


P.S. I noticed you called my husband "Mr. Wonderful" in several of your posts...Now to ME, he is certainly "Mr. Wonderful", but around here he simply goes by "Mr. Wondering"...(I posted about this to you on the other board, so it may be redundant-just wanted to let ya know!)

typo... I honestly missed his name and glanced and saw what I saw. I havent seen the other board...

as for the foot soldiers... it's oft been said that the Christian army is the only army that shoots it's own wounded.

i've endured enough "friendly fire"... and wish you the best.

i hope to come back, someday, and give a positive report.

However, I've given up on receiving any support.

God bless,

It's a typo that's made often enough here...No problem...

You know Back, support might be given to you here if you were open to receiving any critiques of your proposed line of action...I see you shooting at your rescuers...Seriously would you get mad at people because they yelled the word "STOP" at you before you were about to walk off a cliff? Would you lecture them about the tone and volume of that word, or would you thank them because they warned you and saved your life?

Mrs. W


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Back,

Why not give Dr. Harley's radio show a call and see what he advises in your situation...It's a free call...What do you think?

Mrs. W


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I am curious if you have the 'support' of your fellow parishioners in your plan. Would they (especially your spiritual advisor) not support you in your endeavor if your plan was spiritually logical?

Why seek the help of a board of anonymous strangers. Strangers of all denominations of faith, no less?

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In my understanding, actually.... my XS is still my WS and the bonds of matrimony are not dissolved by God. That is my understanding of the matter.

To me, the terms are interchangeable in application to my situation.

The hostility being expressed is a matter of anger at a belief system.

It is my belief system. No amount of hostility is going to change it. It's my personal biblical faith and conviction... and I will remain faithful to it... because in so doing, the way I look at it, I'm being faithful to the Lord Jesus Christ in my biblical understanding.


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My view of God is the God of all grace. He is completely nonjudgmental and is a God of Love.

I felt no condemnation or judgment from the Lord... but I tested and I tried... to see if perhaps I was "wrong".

Theology is not threatened by practical world experience.

Every so often, I'd "test" to see if perhaps the Lord would release me. Temptation?

He wouldn't release me. And I could experientially know that the bond still exists... not at an emotional level... but at a spiritual level I am powerless to change. And there's nothing to change that.

(My "dating" is not all that worldly... )

I don't think God had a big issue with it. I'm quite prayerful about it and have been very respected.


Back - I don't know your story, but from what I've read with respect to the above quotations indicates that you are a believer and want to govern your actions by what the Scripture teaches.

If that is so, then I'd be interested in discussing a few things with you regarding the Scripture and what God has said. You wrote about the passage in Mark 10, but there was no reference to other parts of Scripture. It is my belief that Scripture does not contradict itself, so all that has been written about a subject must be considered when attempting to determine what "God's position" is regarding an issue, in this case divorce and the severing of the marital bond.

If you'd care to talk about this, I'd be willing to do so.

Also, if you do want to talk about it, it would be helpful if you could point me to some information about your situation so that I could get a better understanding of what is behind all of this posting and your apparent resistance to what several members have posted to you.

God bless.

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okay...straight jacket anyone....

Back...please get help.

I'm going to let you know... that, quite honestly, you have been successful in "getting rid of me".

The signature sign is true... that you are responsible for the injury you cause by your actions.

I do wish you all the best. I do hope to come back with a positive report.

What the devil means for evil, the Lord uses for good.

Considering your remarks, and the remarks of others, I have decided that this board is not a healthy environment for numerous people enduring great struggles in their lives.

I see you are happy to drive people from the boards. And, yes, you have greatly contributed to my decision to leave at this time.

That doesn't mean, to me, any form of overall defeat. It just means it will be better to come back when people are less attacking of intangible things... and there are practical matters of an "in force" Plan A to discuss.

It was your will to drive me from the board.

Nonetheless, I believe it is God's will, also, that I have discussed all that can be discussed at this time... and in the presence of such caustic and toxic remarks... there's no point in staying at this time.

Only practical necessity as I experience the "unknown" in a functional Plan A would warrant a return.

God bless

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i've endured enough "friendly fire"... and wish you the best.
i hope to come back, someday, and give a positive report.
However, I've given up on receiving any support.
God bless

God Bless you also, Back. Yours is a road less traveled, so I wish you nothing but happiness and peace.

Come back and let us know how you're doing and your progress.

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I am curious if you have the 'support' of your fellow parishioners in your plan. Would they (especially your spiritual advisor) not support you in your endeavor if your plan was spiritually logical?

Why seek the help of a board of anonymous strangers. Strangers of all denominations of faith, no less?

Why does any on this board seek the help of anonymous strangers?

I've been called enough names... and you speak with some wisdom.

I gain much better support from those who know me personally as well as the situation.

I thought this board was here to offer support to anonymous strangers... and dedicated to these causes.

God bless

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