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MelodyLane #1978123 01/01/08 10:26 PM
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Phoenix,
I will post to you with a fair amount of knowledge about SSRI's. If your medication was prescribed to you by a family doctor or anyone other than a psychiatrist, I would STRONGLY suggest that you NOT start them until you consult with a psychiatrist.
Anyone with suicidal thoughts or ideations should be monitored by a psychiatrist while on an anti depressant. This is due to the fact that SSRI's can actually increase suicidal thoughts and attempts. The reasons behind this are not important...what is important is that you get a psychitrist involved in your care...do NOT trust this to a family doctor.

I wish you well and pray you will find the help you need.

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"Antidepressants increased the risk of suicidal thinking and behavior (suicidality) in short-term studies in children and adolescents with Major Depressive Disorder (MDD) and other psychiatric disorders. Anyone considering the use of [Drug Name] or any other antidepressant in a child or adolescent must balance this risk with the clinical need. Patients who are started on therapy should be observed closely for clinical worsening, suicidality, or unusual changes in behavior."



A "black box" warning is the most serious warning placed on the labeling of a prescription medication, but does not ban physicians from prescribing the drug to children and adolescents.

*****MEDC..this warning...again, the most serious warning available...has been extended to yourng adults and most likely will be further extended to include all adults.*****

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GREAT suggestion, MEDC, I have heard the same thing. This also might not be the right one for her. I know that Prozak can make some ppl sleepy and she has 3 boys to watch. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />


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actually Prozac will not (or should not) make her sleepy. Paxil, Zoloft and Lexapro in that order are much more likely to do that. In fact, Prozac can actually add to a persons anxiety (while helping alleviate their depression). Of course, everyone can react differently to meds...but as a general rule... Prozac should never be given to someone with anxiety. Paxil should be administered with care to a woman as it have a marked incidence of weight gain...and somnolence. Zoloft is weight neutral but can add to somnolence.
Lexapro is a derivative of a drug that Pfizer discontinued due to it being potentially lethal with overdose (that drug was celexa). I would be afraid to give a drug that was potentially lethal to a person that is already suicidal.
In most cases I think it is wise to have a psychiatrist monitor dosing and side effects of patients on SSRI's. having detailed these products to primary care doctors, I can tell you that the vast majority are woefully ignorant about many aspects of these drugs. Psychiatrists on the other hand are exceptionally up to speed on clinical trials and dosing/side effect profiles regarding AD's.

I hope this helps a bit.

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When my doctor prescribed ADs, she explained that the body puts out a chemical to keep things moving every day. When you face adversity, especially over a long period, your body stops producing it. The AD basically kickstarts the chemical again; that's all it does. I highly recommend you take them. However, it often takes a few 'trials' to get the right medicine and right dosage. But it does work. Please consider it.

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your doctor was wrong...I know, my job for Pfizer was to educate doctors about how they worked. While his explanation is incorrect...it is a simple way to sort of explain how they work.

SSRI stands for Selective Serotonin re-uptake inhibitor. Basically what an SSRI does is it stops receptor sites from removing serotonin from the synapses in your brain. It is hypothesised that the rapid uptake of serotonin contributes to depression. These drugs inhibit the chemical from being in short supply in the synapse.

Please also note that numerous clinical trials have been done that show the same efficacy can be had by exercising 3-4 times a week in a group setting.

It is important to not discount the suicidal issue with SSRI's.


here's a great link to explain how they work...

#6 is of note.

http://www.nmhct.nhs.uk/pharmacy/moa-ssri.htm

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P,

If you have any interest in trying a homeopathic remedy that is for grief and emotional upset, let me know and I will share what I know. Homeopathy has no adverse side affects. Our family was under the care of a homeopathic doctor for 13 years. A homeopath is either an MD or DO who specializes in homeopathic medicine.

I could tell you incidence after incidence where we have treated conditions successfully using homeopathy, but I'm not here to convince anyone that homeopathy is "the way to go". I am willing to share what I can, however, IF you or anyone else has an interest.

I used this remedy and my dark cloud did clear.

MEDC brings up a great point that if you are going to use AD's, find a doctor who truly understands how they work inside your body.

I have also heard that St. John's Wort is an herb that is very helpful for depression. I don't know much at all about herbs, though, so if you consider any, research it or find an herbalist. Many herbs, unlike homeopathic remedies, do have adverse side affects.

Praying for you today.


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I have seen it posted by others that you are suicidal.

P, is that correct? So far, I have only read that you are feeling depressed, lethargic, and struggle with having the energy to function. This is not the same as having suicidal thoughts.

P, will you please clarify as to whether you are actually having thoughts of suicide?


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Something a friend pointed out to me helped me reach my "turning point". She said to me, "SMB, if you don't start eating more, you are going to collapse and be in the hospital. You do realize that you will be giving FWH ammunition to take your children away?"

Realizing that caused me to have a new and much stronger determination not only to survive, but to begin to reclaim my life. There was NO WAY I was going to give him ANY ammunition to take my kids.


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your doctor was wrong...I know, my job for Pfizer was to educate doctors about how they worked. While his explanation is incorrect...it is a simple way to sort of explain how they work.

SSRI stands for Selective Serotonin re-uptake inhibitor. Basically what an SSRI does is it stops receptor sites from removing serotonin from the synapses in your brain. It is hypothesised that the rapid uptake of serotonin contributes to depression. These drugs inhibit the chemical from being in short supply in the synapse.

Please also note that numerous clinical trials have been done that show the same efficacy can be had by exercising 3-4 times a week in a group setting.

It is important to not discount the suicidal issue with SSRI's.
Isn't this the same thing I said?:
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Antidepressants are often prescribed to people suffering from depressive illness. Depressive illness is caused by a decrease of certain chemicals or neurotransmitters in the brain that are responsible for mood. Antidepressants stimulate chemical changes that increase the levels of these neurotransmitters. Three main neurotransmitters associated with mood are serotonin, norepinephrine and dopamine. Different antidepressant medications affect one or more of these neurotransmitters.

Neurotransmitters released from nerve cells in the brain only have a short time to relay their message to another cell before enzymes destroy them or they are taken back up by the cell. This process is referred to as reuptake. Once reuptake occurs, the neurotransmitter ceases to have any affect on the brain.

In people suffering from depressive illness fewer of these neurotransmitters are being produced. Therefore antidepressant medications known as selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) delay the reuptake of one of these neurotransmitters, serotonin, thus raising levels in the brain. With more natural levels of serotonin in the brain, mood is elevated from the depressed state to a more normal state of mind. SSRIs are very popular because they seem to have the least side-effects among antidepressants. Additionally, side-effects tend to be mild to moderate and are transitory, usually disappearing after 1-3 weeks. Some brand names of SSRIs are Zoloft, Prozac, Paxil and Lexapro.

Tricyclic antidepressants (TCAs), work in the same manner but affect the uptake of all three neurotransmitters associated with mood: serotonin, norepinephrine and dopamine. However TCAs have more side-effects and can be dangerous if overdosed. TCAs are not recommended to patients with heart trouble. Some tricyclic antidepressant brand names are Allegron, Tryptizol, Anafranil and Ortrip.

Monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs), an older class of antidepressants, also increase levels of all three neurotransmitters by inhibiting an enzyme responsible for inactivating them. However, MAOIs also affected tyramine, a molecule inked to blood pressure. As a result anyone taking MAOIs must stick to a very strict diet that forbids a variety of common foods like cheeses, yogurt, certain meats, bananas, and many more foods. Failure to do so can lead to a hypertensive crisis and may result in death. MAOIs also interact with many medications and are no longer widely prescribed.

Although antidepressants are not addictive and can be taken in an ongoing regimen, they are normally prescribed for a 4-6 month period, with most people experiencing some benefit after 2-4 weeks of use, and full benefits at about 4 months. Patients are encouraged to seek other means of relief from their depression during this period, including exercise, a healthy diet, and in some cases "talk" therapy to work through any external cause for the depression.

Specific side-effects vary among the different groups of antidepressants and should be discussed with your physician. Antidepressant medications should not be mixed unless your doctor tells you to do so. In some cases depression can increase at the onset of taking an antidepressant until it has had a chance to work, and in rare cases this has reportedly been linked with suicide in those intolerant of these medications. However, for the vast majority of patients taking antidepressants they have played an important role in relieving depressive illness.

Antidepressants might also be prescribed to relieve anxiety, obsessive behavior, panic attacks and post-traumatic stress syndrome.


It's certainly the experience I had.

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Phoenix,

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Psychiatrists on the other hand are exceptionally up to speed on clinical trials and dosing/side effect profiles regarding AD's.

It is very good advice to talk to a psychiatrist and for your own sake do it ASAP.

Along with the trials they will have research results on the suicide risk associated with the meds.

I am not a doctor, but I have had this explained to me by a psychiatrist in a world reknowned medical facility based on research many institutions have conducted. Based on his explaination I would not be afraid of anti-D's for any of my family members.

Just my 2 cents. I know it can cause confusion to get conflicting opinions and I did want to share this with you.

Good luck.

LC





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When you face adversity, especially over a long period, your body stops producing it. The AD basically kickstarts the chemical again; that's all it does.

No, actually, this is what you said.

Your body doesn't stop producing them though...and the SSRI just stops them from being picked up so readily by the neuro transmitters...thereby increasing the amount in the synapses.

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Hi P,

I usually don't post much to BS's.

I wanted to chime in with SMB. If she would have broken down and been hospitalized or anything similar, in my wayward fog I would have taken advantage of the situation.
You need to be seen, by your WH, as taking care of yourself in spite of it all.

I have been follwing your entire post with SMB and want you to know what an amazing Godly woman you are, what a fantastic mother you are and remind you to take things one day at a time. You have been fighting for your marriage and your WH's life and soul.....He does't get it right now.... but I pray he will see, as I now do, what an amazing wife God blessed him with.

We are praying for you daily....
Philippians 4:13 helps me often - "I can do all things through Him who strengthens me".





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it really is a technical difference not important to you or me....but it points to an issue that sometimes doctors don't understand what the chemical does. And for an AD, that can have bad results for a patient. Hence my suggestion to see a psychiatrist.

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When you face adversity, especially over a long period, your body stops producing it. The AD basically kickstarts the chemical again; that's all it does.

No, actually, this is what you said.

Your body doesn't stop producing them though...and the SSRI just stops them from being picked up so readily by the neuro transmitters...thereby increasing the amount in the synapses.
Okay....sorry for threadjacking in the name of semantics. All I was trying to say was that it gets you back to where you were supposed to be; I'm sorry my doctor used an incorrect analogy. I was also trying to say that in my case it worked, and according to many experts it will work in many if not most situations. I understand the risk, but personally I'd rather see someone take action than not. Telling someone to get better by exercising can be quite ineffective, as most of us - especially those of us who get depressed and can barely get out of bed - will be highly unlikely to take on an exercise regimen. And going to a psychiatrist is what I was alluding to, as well, since it should be a psychiatrist who prescribes and monitors. I'm sorry I said it so poorly I was misunderstood.

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Thanks to EVERYONE for your posts/info/experience!! Sorry I couldn't read them last night, but I got locked out!
I ran out (after my last post) to pick up my kids after their time with WH, and when we returned, my house key had fallen off my keychain!! Because I just had the locks changed, I had JUST made duplicates yesterday and not given them to my neighbors yet. SO, I spent my late evening outside in zero degrees retracing all my steps, searching in two feet of snow with three little boys, finally retiring for the night to a friends house!! AAAARGGH!

SO, we just finally got in, and now I have three hungry boys fighting over transformers who need me!.. but I will get back to responding as soon as I'm able. I really appreciate all the thoughts everyone shared.

And SMB - I don't think I'm feeling suicidal. yes, I often want 'out' of going through this and am not exactly enjoying being alive these days.. but I'm guessing that's all pretty normal (for BS)..? I am not having specific thoughts of how to take my life.


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no apology necessary as this is not personal between you and I...and exercise does work ...but you are right, it is often difficult to get a depressed patient to exercise.

You are much more knowledgeable than most people about this...even some doctors I have talked to. It is important though for anyone suicidal to weigh the risk vs the potential benefit of these meds. For depression alone...they are great. For depression with suicidal ideations...it can be a big can of worms.

I am happy they worked for you.

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And SMB - I don't think I'm feeling suicidal. yes, I often want 'out' of going through this and am not exactly enjoying being alive these days.. but I'm guessing that's all pretty normal (for BS)..? I am not having specific thoughts of how to take my life.
Phoenix,
I am so glad to hear this. I saw in another post a reference to you being suicidal and my heart sank. I cruised the board to find you and breathed a sigh of relief when reading your last post. DH had a VERY close family member commit suicide 7 years ago. At the time of his death there was another member that was terminally ill. It was a tough time for the family. If we had realized he was in so much pain we could have tried to help. PLEASE let anyone you feel safe to talk to know if you have any suicidal thoughts. Even though it was his choice to take his own life those of us on the other side of the fence suffer with some guilt and lots of pain. Take care and God bless.


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why are you on this thread, BA? The last thing this woman needs is a board troll and stalker stalking her too. Have you NO DECENCY at all?


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