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I think you are dead right Mimi and people here are, IMHO, playing right into her weakness.

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Mimi,

What do you think when you watch SNL? Or people, in general, having fun and not being serious at all times?

I forgive you.

You are much more serious soul than myself.

And I'm sure you're a wonderful person, just different from me. Probably prone to great worry.

Are you at all familiar with personality types? My personality type is prone to be emotional, outgoing, might get upset, but never holds a grudge.

Yours is different than mine. No, it's not a "breakdown"... it's just kids having fun.

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I don't tend to think about anything I can't do something about. Might as well table all discussion relative things relative to the ex. I'm in Plan B.

You'll adjust. Give it time. I'm friends with everyone who is friendly to me. And I even like people who aren't. I just limit their access... and I've never put you on iggy.

I think you probly are worried. I don't think (I could be wrong) that you are being cutting. I think you are just the kind of person to worry and not like to see things under what you feel is "control"... in somberness?

It's okay that we're opposites. We'll get to know each other.

Have a great day.

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Mimi,

I think I had a nervous breakdown when I found out my former fiance' was married.

I went back and read some of my first posts a while ago. I was a complete basket case when I arrived here.

Practically incoherent.

Even though the man I had been engaged to was already married. The people here still wanted to help me.

Do you know that when I found out he was married to a woman in another town my DD's dad had to come get her and I went to a six weeks intensive workshop run by a female minister at the urging of my best friend.

That minister listened to me, all the people in the workshop did. I remember one of the ladies in the workshop was dying of cancer, and still she cared enough about me to have tears in her eyes when I openly cried. I thought I was crazy and maybe they jdid too, I don't know, but they still listened to me and talked to me.

But it wasn't until I came here that I was able to untangle myself from that very bad R. And still not until he left me and I had no contact for about 4 months at all with him, did I start to be able to see things clearly.

The girl who works for me now (T) and my best friend, even one of my close neighbors have since told me they were never so worried about me as they were during that period. At one point my sister would not leave my house worried about what I might do to either him or myself.

Do you remember a thread I had titled "Going to the Island, got a gun" or some stupid thing. OMG, without this place and some wonderful people in my life I would probably have gone over the deep end.

Very dark years those were for me. And I don't think I could have gone no contact without this place and without S.Harley.

Sometimes you keep trying because the alternative is just too awful. And when you are able to, you let go.

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Back, IMO, has resisted our efforts to help her and now is stating that she is coming here for amusement.

Read back and note what seem to be grandiose delusions.

What she seems to need is medication and probably has been on medication in the past.

I can understand acting crazy under duress from affair issues. I did so myself.

This seems to be much, much more..

Again..I hope I'm wrong...


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Symptoms of mania include rapid speech, racing thoughts, decreased need for sleep, hypersexuality, euphoria, grandiosity, and increased interest in goal-directed activities. Mild forms of mania, known as hypomania, cause little or no impairment, but most people who suffer from prolonged hypomania due to bipolar disorder develop full mania.

Another symptom of mania is racing thoughts during which the sufferer is excessively distracted by unimportant stimuli. This negative experience creates an inability to function and an absentmindedness where the person with mania's thoughts totally preoccupy him or her, making him or her unable to keep track of time or be aware of anything besides the neurological pattern of thoughts.

In addition to decreased desire for sleep, other manic symptoms include irritability, anger or rage, delusions, hypersensitivity, hypersexuality, hyper-religiosity, hyperactivity, racing thoughts, talkativeness or rapid speech, and grandiose ideas and plans. In manic and less severe hypomanic cases, the afflicted person may engage in out of character behavior such as questionable business transactions, wasteful expenditures of money, risky sexual activity or highly vocal arguments uncharacteristic of previous behaviors. These behaviors increase stress in personal relationships, problems at work and increases the risk of altercations with law enforcement as well as being at high risk of impulsively taking part in activities potentially harmful to self and others.

Although "severely elevated mood" sounds somewhat desirable and enjoyable, the experience of mania is often quite unpleasant and sometimes disturbing, if not frightening, for the person involved (and those close to them), and may lead to impulsive behavior that may later be regretted. It can also often be complicated by the sufferer's lack of judgment and insight regarding periods of exacerbation of symptoms. Manic patients are frequently grandiose, irritable, belligerent, and frequently deny anything is wrong with them. Because mania frequently encourages high energy and decreased perception of need or ability to sleep, within a few days of a manic cycle, sleep-deprived psychosis may appear, further complicating the ability to think clearly. Racing thoughts and misperceptions lead to frustration and decreased ability to communicate with others.

There are different "stages" or "states" of mania. For example, a minor state may involve increased creativity, wit, gregariousness, and ambition. However, a more serious state of mania may involve lack of good judgment, lack of ability to focus, and even psychosis. The victim of mania may feel elated; however, he/she may also feel irritable, frustrated, and may experience derealization.


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Mrs. W..you beat me to it...I found this..

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A delusion is a belief that is clearly false and that indicates an abnormality in the affected person's content of thought. The false belief is not accounted for by the person's cultural or religious background or his or her level of intelligence. The key feature of a delusion is the degree to which the person is convinced that the belief is true. A person with a delusion will hold firmly to the belief regardless of evidence to the contrary. Delusions can be difficult to distinguish from overvalued ideas, which are unreasonable ideas that a person holds, but the affected person has at least some level of doubt as to its truthfulness. A person with a delusion is absolutely convinced that the delusion is real.

Delusions are a symptom of either a medical, neurological, or mental disorder. Delusions may be present in any of the following mental disorders:

psychotic disorders, or disorders in which the affected person has a diminished or distorted sense of reality and cannot distinguish the real from the unreal, including schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder, delusional disorder, schizophreniform disorder, shared psychotic disorder, brief psychotic disorder, and substance-induced psychotic disorder
bipolar disorder
major depressive disorder with psychotic features
delirium
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Overvalued ideas may be present in anorexia nervosa, obsessive-compulsive disorder, body dysmorphic disorder, or hypochondriasis.

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Delusions are categorized as either bizarre or non-bizarre and as either mood-congruent or mood-incongruent. A bizarre delusion is a delusion that is very strange and completely implausible for the person's culture; an example of a bizarre delusion would be that aliens have removed the affected person's brain. A non-bizarre delusion is one whose content is definitely mistaken, but is at least possible; an example may be that the affected person mistakenly believes that he or she is under constant police surveillance. A mood-congruent delusion is any delusion whose content is consistent with either a depressive or manic state; for example, a depressed person may believe that the world is ending, or a person in a manic state (a state in which the person feels compelled to take on new projects, has a lot of energy, and needs little sleep) believes that he or she has special talents or abilities, or is a famous person. A mood-incongruent delusion is any delusion whose content is not consistent with either a depressed or manic state or is mood-neutral. An example is a depressed person who believes that thoughts are being inserted into his or her mind from some outside force, person, or group of people, and these thoughts are not recognized as the person's own thoughts (called "thought insertion").

In addition to these categories, delusions are often categorized according to theme. Although delusions can have any theme, certain themes are more common. Some of the more common delusion themes are:


Erotomania: A delusion in which one believes that another person, usually someone of higher status, is in love with him or her. It is common for individuals with this type of delusion to attempt to contact the other person (through phone calls, letters, gifts, and sometimes stalking).

Grandiose delusion: An individual exaggerates his or her sense of self-importance and is convinced that he or she has special powers, talents, or abilities. Sometimes, the individual may actually believe that he or she is a famous person (for example, a rock star or Christ). More commonly, a person with this delusion believes he or she has accomplished some great achievement for which they have not received sufficient recognition.

Religious delusion: Any delusion with a religious or spiritual content. These may be combined with other delusions, such as grandiose delusions (the belief that the affected person was chosen by God, for example),


I just quoted a few of the delusions...


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back,

If this is true, and you need to be on medication, and being on that medication may help you to put your life back together...then for God's sake, why not?

Mrs. W said her dad had this and it helped to kill him. Did you read that?

(Mrs. W. I just went and read that locked thread, and want to say I am so sorry both for your loss and the loss of what could have been, if only. I lived something similar with my parents)

You got some caring people posting to you, back. That is for sure.

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Mrs. W...

If someone was "dogging you"... falsely (with no credentials... no expertise... doesn't even really know you) "diagnosing" you with a mental illness, how would you feel?

How would you respond to that person?

I'm kind of at a loss to know how to address you. I think you have been very hurt by family situations. I'm taking that into consideration.

As I consider, I know people who are legitimately diagnosed with true conditions. Therefore, I do not in any way want to disparage them in responding in a way that would appear to be stigmatizing them for a medical condition.

Also, I don't really want to react in a way that injures you... irrespective of behavior that could be construed as an effort to destroy, demoralize, disenfranchise me. (a d-day of sorts... being slandered... gossipped about... by an armchair "dr.")

Mrs. W, I would very much appreciate you refraining from practising medicine without a license... and "diagnosing me".

I understand that you have a family history of these issues. However, you cannot "imprint" your family history onto others.

I guess you would have to stop and really take into consideration... just stopping to think... how your behavior would be construed by someone who you are falsely labelling... in this case, me.

Where did you get your medical degree? Wikipedia?

You're not qualified. You're not right, either.

A lot of times in life, one finds out what goes around comes around. Would you like people elsewhere in your life talking about you... labelling you... pretending to be authorities... etc., etc. as you are dishing out?

If you wouldn't like to take it, please don't dish it out. Just another way of putting yourself in someone else's shoes.

God bless.

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Ok is this residual from 2 days ago....I thought this all was being swept aside and new slates were started?

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If this is true, and you need to be on medication, and being on that medication may help you to put your life back together...then for God's sake, why not?

Mrs. W said her dad had this and it helped to kill him. Did you read that?

(Mrs. W. I just went and read that locked thread, and want to say I am so sorry both for your loss and the loss of what could have been, if only. I lived something similar with my parents)

You got some caring people posting to you, back. That is for sure.

Hi Josie,

Every once in a while, you will run into someone in your life who may not fit inside the box.

I don't find Mrs. W or anyone who projects their own problems (family or personal) onto me as "caring". That is definitely... overcaring. The kindest word I can say.

Had I had any mental illness, I would have been diagnosed. In fact, my life is so "over the top"... I really did want a second opinion. (I saw a shrink immediately after my divorce... because I had anxiety and panic attacks. That's what a responsible person, imo, would do... so I did. I had never experienced panic or any such thing and I wanted a professional opinion.) The first psychiatrist/psychologist said I was "perfectly sane"... when I questioned suffering panic attacks. "Perfectly normal" and "perfectly sane" was what he said.

He liked me so well, thought my personality was so healthy,... he didn't even want to see me after the first visit. I literally had to go back and forth with him... cause he said it would be a waste of my money. But I was having panic attacks... I wanted to make sure he really, really understood... and so I insisted I had good insurance... and finally he just had to agree to see me a few more times. (I would not take no for an answer.)

When all was said and done, even after the 3 visits, he just told me that the panic would be something I would have to work through... it would take time... I was perfectly sane and normal... he couldn't make it "go away". I had to accept it as "normal".

(I'll continue this post... these women are somehow feeding on wanting to believe what they want to believe. May be the factor of having a problem with someone like me perhaps being everything I am.. as star referred to her in her post on how some people are threatened by persons who have certain areas of charmed life. Mine is... in many ways. Except that I still love my ex... and he has married to the OW now for 1-1/2 years... and has lived with her "full-time"... he couldn't at first for the first 6 months... probly cause he married her for all the wrong reasons... anyway, he's lived with her "full-time" as in the same house 24/7 7 days a week... for a year now. And it may be FALLING APART... and this may be why I feel the "upsurge" in my heart and spirit from the Lord that this ground is going to break underneath them...)

I'll post "part II".

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Hi Josie,

Anyway, I wanted a 2nd opinion... for a couple of reasons. First of all, I felt convinced that even after the ex married the OW... I just still felt that there was a bond that stayed between our hearts at a spiritual level... the "bonds of holy matrimony"... like GOD hadn't let ME go. (Not that I couldn't "let the ex go".)

And since I was feeling this spiritually - and, well, it could be construed as a person not letting a person go emotionally - well, I thought it would be good to get a professional opinion. These people are highly trained. This guy was a phd. and, imo, brilliant. Highly educated, well-trained... an expert. I'm going to go see an expert and get an expert opinion... I figured. I believed what I believed... but I'm also a careful person. After all, a person can sincerely believe the Bible - and be wrong in what they believe. It's not really the Bible... but how they misinterpreted the Bible that causes them to believe what they believe.

I guess I figured, hey... if a flag can be thrown on the play,... the phd will throw it. And, I figured, if I'm wrong... I need to know it. What mattered to me was the truth.

So I saw the phd. What happened there... will be... "part III".

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I figured that since I was going to be checking with a phd... I also wanted to check with him on my "over the top" experiences in life. They are far outside the range of normal... imo. I guess, in effect, I was checking to see if he'd say there was any delusion... on my part... as well as the parts of people who think I'm "the bomb".

(So everything Mrs. W is talking about has already been evaluated by a professional.. a real dr.)

I haven't told you half or hardly a sliver of what I told him.

I sat down with him and told him this whole story... (which I haven't told here and won't, imo)... and things about my life that are so "over the top"... that either I am going to rock the world... or people all around me that know me (not just me) are delusional. Given these 2 factors of reason to see him... I wanted a professional opinion. I sat down with him and just started out by saying, "I'd like your professional opinion."

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His professional opinion?

Well, he told me I'm a "ferrarri"... and a lot of the reason I had problems with my ex are because a man would about piss his pants in the presence of a woman like me.

Literally, that's what he said.

Like, when I "burned out"... his behavior was in response to how greatly desirable a woman I am... and I shook that man to the core... when I LB'd.

(lava flows... shutting him out... )

Yes, he was greatly effected. I take no pleasure in that. I don't want that kind of a compliment... that I rocked his self-confidence right to the core.

And, as far as my other things I told the phd... I told him things I won't tell here... but if I speak of my life... well, almost every day something happens that, well, someone would say "Wow. That really happened??? Wow."

What he told me was that he expected that I would rock the world.

Bottom-line.

He didn't say that verbatim. What he said was, "I can't wait to see you on tv."

Now, I don't really think it's concern for me that is motivating the remarks to attempt to "tear down" my reality... cause my reality... really is "over the top".

It's not "delusion of grandiosity"... it's the blessing and divine favor and grace of God. I've achieved it... by the Word of God adn prayer... and lots of grace and unconditional love from God through Jesus Christ.

In other words, it was free... and equally available to all.

So if any doesn't like it... they can always see God and get the same thing.

Today I went into work and met with clients for the second time. (We made friends the first time.)

Do you know what they asked me? They asked me as we finished if they could write a letter of reference and feedback to my boss to say what a wonderful person I am, how nice, how kind, how caring, how helpful, and how much they appreciate me.

Happens all the time.

That's my "charm".

Go Donner, Go Blitzen,... to the top of the wall... now dash away, dash away, dash away all!

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Don't believe every bad thing you read about people on this board. Some people just obsess themselves... where they have no business... in other people's business... playing God, imo.

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Well next time I'd suggest that you see a PSYCHIATRIST which is an M.D.. Also I would go to one that SPECIALIZES in mental illness, particularly Bipolar Disorder-MANY mental health professionals get fooled by folks with that disorder-it's a CUNNING illness...Heck print out your posts from here and bring them with you...Your posts are VERY telling to those who recognize Bipolar Disorder...And I think you KNOW there is a problem...I've heard all that you are saying before...My dad was quite famous for getting so called "experts" to agree with him-most likely they did that just so he would leave them alone!

And Back, if for some reason I'm wrong, then you are really just an egotistical blowhard...Because ALL that you are doing here is BRAGGING...There is NOT one thing that you've asked for genuine help with...You are simply wasting the time of others because you LOVE an audience (which btw, is common for people experiencing mania)...

Take care...I should not be posting to you, as I do know better, but alas I am human, and you ARE infuriating...Bipolar Disorder may explain your behavior, but it certainly does NOT excuse it!!! Get help...

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YEP..but we understand...

(((Mrs. W))))

It's very sad and obvious...THE LOOSE ASSOCIATION Christmas remark tells it all to anyone who may be questioning our concerns about her...

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All I can suggest is you read Back's previous posts.

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Well next time I'd suggest that you see a PSYCHIATRIST which is an M.D.. Also I would go to one that SPECIALIZES in mental illness, particularly Bipolar Disorder-MANY mental health professionals get fooled by folks with that disorder-it's a CUNNING illness...Heck print out your posts from here and bring them with you...Your posts are VERY telling to those who recognize Bipolar Disorder...And I think you KNOW there is a problem...I've heard all that you are saying before...My dad was quite famous for getting so called "experts" to agree with him-most likely they did that just so he would leave them alone!

And Back, if for some reason I'm wrong, then you are really just an egotistical blowhard...Because ALL that you are doing here is BRAGGING...There is NOT one thing that you've asked for genuine help with...You are simply wasting the time of others because you LOVE an audience (which btw, is common for people experiencing mania)...

Take care...I should not be posting to you, as I do know better, but alas I am human, and you ARE infuriating...Bipolar Disorder may explain your behavior, but it certainly does NOT excuse it!!! Get help...

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Mrs. W.,

What explains my behavior, imo, is that I have a call to ministry. I am in the midst of a trial - and on the other side of this trial... one way or another... is a "job" of ministering to others.

I honestly don't know. Will it be that the ex "comes out of it"? Or something else? I don't know. I'm not God. I don't know the outcome of this matter... but I do know that I will be helping others... and all that I have suffered - will be a "vehicle" for me ministering comfort and grace to others.

I think Satan is furious. And the fury you are feeling doesn't come from the Lord. And what you are saying and doing out of your fury... is attacking me and slander.

Why do I need to say things about myself? Because people are slandering me and it is so contrary to the truth and reality of who I am.

Maybe I need to ignore you so that I don't further defend myself by discussing (I know it's so "infuriating"... that I love people and people love me... and my love powerfully moves people... why? probly cause the grace of God is on me to in the future minister God's love to them.)

Jealousy. Fury.

None of these things are the Lord.

The Word of God and prayer, Mrs. W. That's all I can recommend to you.

I have no desire to open my heart on this board relative to any hurt or pain in my life.

In life, in person, I don't have as many "kickbacks"... of jealousy when I go someplace and associate. Why? I spose cause people really feel the love... and I can better "connect".

I guess we haven't bonded, Mrs. W, which is a lot easier in 3D... and that's why Satan is more easily able to tempt and provoke you to fury, jealousy, and slander.

The Word of God and prayer.

And try to make friends as an equal... instead of a "helper" who fixes, manages, and controls others.

That's all I can advise.

Just be a friend in Jesus and let God be God.

I'd still like you for a friend, and am willing to forgive, and have not put you on iggy. Whether or not you respond.. is up to you.

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P.S. Mrs. W, the phd. I saw was eminently qualified and expert. Did I try to "fool him"? Oh no. Plus, I pretty much made it easy had what you say been true. I went for his professional opinion. Why? Because when a person develops a course of action, a person wants the best advice. And it would not pay not to tell someone a person can trust, and who holds things in confidence, and has no jealousy issues... everything... and get a qualified opinion.

Furthermore, as I stated, I am so nice a person... do you know what I have done?

The young man I partner with... do you know why I partner with him in part? Let me tell you a little more.

He's bi-polar. Medically. He was injured in a car accident. He is also brain damaged. He has memory issues, etc., etc.

He could not have made it in my profession alone. So, he came to me and asked me to help him. So I laid down everything... irrespective of that it's a "dog eat dog world"... and because he is a Christian brother and it is my role in life to serve others... I took him on as my partner.

I make all the commission. And give to him out of my income. He cannot do paperwork. So I had to take that back (memory issues). The only place I have panic attacks is in relation to my ex. He's bi-polar. He has them globally and cannot even meet with a client alone... or he has panic attacks. He has to leave meetings... cannot be called on in the midst of meetings to speak... and says that in prayer the Lord brought him to my company (he was laid off from his last job due to his disability).

I do have him help me where he can help me. He is good at making business calls... and cannot do individual business. Nor can he close sales. He can make initial visits, however, in an impersonal setting of business calls (less anxiety-inducing to him than dealing with persons individually).

His psychiatrist, also, asked me to come meet with him and my partners session. Why? Because the psychiatrist was going to tell him he had to quit the job and be unemployed. Why? Because the anxiety was too great for him and he was truly manic.

Go ahead! Be angry! I helped a young man who truly has the condition you so infuriatedly tell me I have (when I don't).

I met with him and the psychiatrist. The psychiatrist was going to insist he left the job and had called me in as an emergency crisis matter... to see if he would allow my partner to stay.

The psychiatrist met me... and was so impressed by me... that he not only allowed my partner to stay at the job... he told me (I shared my perceptions)... that my perceptions were right on track... and he was amazed at me.

On the basis of his faith in me (and he's told me not to leave the young man's side - literally)... he said he doesn't now need to meet with my partner as often.

There is no crisis now that I am on the job. Why? I felt the Lord called me to it... and, well, I love this man. (Nope. Nothing romantic at all. Now, he does look like Matthew Perry... that's just the plain truth of the matter.)

Honey, do you think a psychiatrist would place his client's life in my hands (this dear young man can become suicidal)... if I were anything you say?

Sister, you have a real problem.

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The social dynamic is not friendly... and I had clearly identified myself as a person newly returning to the site.

Who were you, what was your user ID before you started posting as Back?


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Hi big,

I'm not interested in disclosing. Right now, I'm dealing with people who are wacked... imo... evaluating everything I say.

They have a bizarre filter... They've "diagnosed me"... have no medical credentials... feel they are "qualified" to overrule what phd's say.

Friends, I disclosed things to that phd... that I needed to know.

I feel a powerful call to ministry. And as far as the "tv" thing... I held a couple of seminars on grace. I had one friend come who was wrestling and wrangling with me... cause he wanted to bring in a tv camera to tape me and release me in public ministry... nationally through a friend of his.

As you can see, I have an "open issue" in my life.

I either need to know it's over and the only way I'll know that 100% is if the Lord replaces the ex.

Or I either need to know it's God's will... and the only way I'll know that 100% is for it to reconcile.

I spose I'm not to tell you what people who hear me speak say. But, they say I have a duty to share my gifts with the body of Christ... and want to try to force me to agree to allow a tv camera... in.

Well, I need more grace in this area of my life... and, until then, no tv camera for me.

I turned it down flat.

Why don't those who name the name of the Lord... stop feeding on gossip?

What do you call someone who wants to "help you" when you've told them to stop going down a path that is not helping?

A meddler.

I didn't give blanket permission for people to run roughshod over me... and take over my life...

And they don't honor boundaries.

God bless.

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