For those that think MB has gone downhill recently take note. The poster Back, as Laura_lee was here for FOUR years (from 2000-2004) posting, at times it appears, clearly as a OW attempting to "Plan A" her exboyfriend, now married man. She was tolerated (although I didn't read everything and much WAS deleted). She even spoke sexually inappropriately at times (go figure).

Fast forward to November, 2007. My guess is she ran into MM at "Mickie D's" and the flood of Plan A "what-if's" started up again so she came back to MB for advice. MM was NEVER her husband and not the father of her children. He's just an ex-boyfriend so I don't even know if this one suffered infidelity. In 2000 she was posting on divorced/divorcing NOT the infidelity forum. Now add in another severe manic episode (they are cyclical...my guess 1996/97 (year of divorce), 2000 (started posting), 2004 (the height of the boyfriend crisis and deleting all her posts on MB) and 2007 are when the bad ones hit...like my FIL a three year cycles between extreme mania)

However, TODAY this board is MUCH more adept at recognizing and exposing trolls and anti-MB behavior. She's lasted less than a month. I, too, think it's time Justuss consider banning this one. She doesn't belong here and her illness doesn't entitle her to stay.

I'm proud of this community. Great Job MB.

Mr. Wondering

p.s. - I remain "compassionate" about her illness just detached and protective of those legitimately here.

graplin...

Your agenda here is glaringly clear to me...It is to harass, harangue and torment MelodyLane and others here that you mistakenly believe she somehow controls...I think you believe this because you also mistakenly believe that YOU have the power to control others...Eventually, I think (or hope) you will learn that that is a waste of your time...

Mrs. W

You guys can't prove that BACK is LAURA...

Grap is making some good points, IMO...

I notice that you did not answer my question.


God doesn't seem to agree with that adage. Scripture says that the power of life and death is in the tongue.

Words have great power. Interesting that Jesus called Himself the Word.



If words have no power, then there is no purpose in this forum.

People can change the world. One man fought for years - with words - and eventually brought the institution of slavery to its knees. William Wilberforce and his words changed the world.

Will you still stand on the foundation that words have no power? That a single man or woman cannot change the world?

I agree.

Mimi...Read Laura_Lee's posts...It is MORE than clear...

Mrs. W

Seriously?

If you doubt this go back and read.

I suppose Justuss could do a search of IP and 100% confirm that like laura_lee, Back is posting from the Grand Rapids, Michigan area.

Don't suppose Justuss will inform us but I believe it IS determinable.

Mr. Wondering

Mimi...

I think that you have witnessed that having a conversation of any substance with Back is not possible...

Mrs. W

I'm grateful for the good that's come from this community. Not speaking of the laura/back sitch in particular, I'm not proud of this community at all. Weeding out obvious trolls is one thing - I've participated in the past - but allowing the whole tone of the boards 2 change '2 the dark side' by spending all this energy speculating exactly what or what isn't someone's motives for posting is counterproductive.

It's certainly not compassion. if this gal is mentally ill, then try 2 get her some help and move on 2 other threads. If a former serial cheater comes here proclaiming her belief that she can help based on her experiences, but she's clearly still got issues, then offer some help (or stay off the thread, if it's dis2rbing). But what did people do? They helped JL, and possibly ark, decide 2 withdraw their wisdom from the boards. And star's posts are being edited by Justuss? I have no idea why, because they're already edited. But I never would have thought I'd see that.

Who suffers such a loss?

Well, me for one, because i respect those people. But I don't post so much these days, so that's not so important as the loss 2 newbies who will never experience the succinct, truly compassionate posts from people like that.

True compassion is never misplaced.
Evil gets its power because we, as individuals, give it power.

Like love (compassion), it's a conscious choice not 2 give power 2 negativity.

be well,
-ol' 2long

Justuss has reassured me that this is being monitored closely.

I have faith in the MB Moderators.

I would not disagree with this.

However, the actions of some seem to prove the belief that while she can't be helped here, that there's nothing wrong with harming her as we try to head her on out of the forum.



And responding by saying "I don't think that's a good idea, it's best to keep this in the public forum or contact the Harley's for professional input" takes care of that potential problem.

Why would you define "compassion" as "allowing her to harm others"?

If you and others fear that she will cause harm - why don't you take it to the moderators as is so often suggested rather than taking it upon yourselves to kick her around the forum?


So, anything goes in the goal to "neutralize" or are there acceptable methods and unacceptable methods?

Newbies aren't likely to sign up for her Plan A coaching when reasoned people point out why that wouldn't be wise. And members who have been here for a while certainly aren't going to. Members who are still very emotionally vulnerable can stay off those threads. So, what harm are you seeing?



I agree that it is not. So, the reasoned response would be that you will not assist her in her pursuit because you don't find it acceptable while pointing her toward a better direction.

no graplin, I DO get your point and never misrepresented it. You don't GET that I DO get it. VERY MUCH. I KNOW very well that you are talking about WRONG accusations of trolls. Make no mistake about that.


ahem.... Now you are lying; don't you dare DENY you said we ran Ace off this forum by calling her a troll. Let's see what you really said:


You used ACE to dishonestly support your point that we have "driven people off this forum." And now you have the audacity to DENY IT on the NEXT PAGE? Sheesh! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

You think you can pull a cheesy stunt like that with me? REALLY?


Unfortunately, people who are ALREADY HERE are not very mature either and help no one by encouraging a tearful collapse over being called a troll. You help no one by helping people be emotional cripples, graplin.



And you CAN grow up, graplin, and accept the fact that you can only control yourself and your OWN posting. You do not have the authority, credibility or power to tell others how to post. How arrogant and immature. You are not the ARBITER of good behavior on this forum. That designation belongs solely to the board owners and moderators.

This is why I don't agree with BLASTING her about being Laura or whomever...

She seems to be STRUGGLING with it more, questioning whether or not she is BIPOLAR...

Good luck people.

I have 2 clean up my messes around the house for a party my W is throwing for her s2dents 2night.

The important stuff.

-ol' 2long

graplin...

You see things your way and I see them mine...Why don't you just respond to the poster in question as you would like instead of complaining about the responses of others? You can only control you...

Mrs. W

IMO, it really makes no difference how one communicates, or I should say, attempts to communicate with a bi-polar in an acute manic state. They don't listen anyway.

Manic Bi-polars THRIVE on well meaning samaritans (sp?).

They will eat you up and move on.

It's maddening.

GOOD Samaritans (sp?), upon encountering a highly functioning mental unstable person will hold such "victim" accountable for their actions instead of participating in their actions and tell them over and over to seek help for their illness.

Back is capable of holding down a high powered position. She is NOT an invalid. She HAS spoke with pysciatrist's just not yet openly and honestly. Even medicated, without supportive professional therapy she, and others like her, will likely fail to address this disorder properly. Even with therapy, it's hit or miss. But SHE is accountable to some degree. Her employers aren't mean if they fire her. Her parents are uncompassionate if they shun her. Back is responsible to get help for Back. She's got the money and the brain capacity to become self-aware and treat it to the degree that she is able to be successfully treated.

Until then...anyone is free to post to her as they would any other anti-MB troll on this board. It would be uncompassionate to do otherwise, even if you and I, choose to be a little more "nice" and understanding about it.

Mr. Wondering

Mimi...How is pointing out her other posting name and exposing the truth of why she is here "blasting"?

Mrs. W

I am still looking for the proof that substantiates the pattern of which you have accused me.

Let me guess, do you also fancy yourself as the expert in "acceptable" and "unacceptable" methods of neutralizing in addition to being the self appointed expert and arbiter of "compassion?" Earlier in the thread you indicated you were the expert in the right way or the wrong way to expose. C'mon graplin, it is getting a little deep in here. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

This board is not qualified to deal with the mentally ill. You are not, I am not. You have no more idea what is "acceptable" than the man in the moon, so lets stop with the pretense.

graplin, I see you in your very misplaced compassion attempting to shut down people who try to stop trolls and stop a mentally ill person from abusing and harming others on this board. Again, misplaced compassion...

This is why I do not believe you are compassionate at all. Your idea of "compassion" is to give wide berth to bad behavior at the expense of many others.

That ain't "compassion," friend. That is emotional immaturity.

If you had your way, troll identifiers would be silenced, giving carte blanche to trolling, and those of us who are trying to quiet back/Laura would be silenced, giving her free reign to continue to abuse and harm others.

Those are the logical outcomes of your "compassion."

You are right, Mr. W. and others.

I can't control your response to Back nor can I control Back's responses.

What is bothering ME is the seeming animosity towards someone who MAY BE mentally ill...



You are basically saying..and tell me if I have this wrong..it doesn't matter what I say to her, she can't profit from it anyways...

To me, that's mean-spirited...but that's me...

I own that...