WW is now giving fog babble to ODD. I was having a nice talk with ODD about reading the bible. After we were done, she told me that she asked her M straight out if she had found a place. She told her that she had yet to find something suitable... yet she's telling the neighbor that she did get one. I can understand using Fog Babble on me, but when you start on your children... and on top of that, used it and not think that they are smart or wise enough to see right through you. It just made me shake my head.

I do know that she will home until Feb 1 because she had the early drop off school dates for my YDD, and they ran until then, so that's three and a half more full weeks to work the plan...

TMTS,

You are still operating under the assumption that you wife is leaving, that you are powerless to change that and that all is lost for your marriage.

<***zzzsssssTHWAP!***>

That isn't what I meant about having no expectations, yanno...

You also fail to realize that if she lies to you, we can safely assume that she has lied to OM, and you have already found that she has lied to ODD, why isn't it also possible she is lying to the neighbor?

A WS will lie...It's what they do...

A WS is a liar...It's who they are...

You know she has lied about you and to you, why are you believing ANYTHING she is saying until the fog clears?

Gotta clean these splinters off my clothes so I can get to work...

Mark

Thanks for the reminder and the lumber. In my mind...yes I still have that assumption. When working the Plan I put on a Tom Hanks like performance (Except I talk to my basketball, and I yell all kinds of stuff to the curling rocks). All that being said, you're right, I've got to get completely out of the mind set as well.



I had not considered that because I always assumed that she had no reason to. But when I really think about it, she is looking for anybody that will give her the time of day, and since it's no longer coming from friends and family then she needs to lie to her as well to justify her actions and get someone who will listen.

She doesn't need a reason to lie.

A WS is a liar...

It's what they do. It's what they are.

Remember that you aren't dealing with your W here. This is the alien WW that you have to overthrow. Aliens lie. They are incapable of telling the truth.

Even when they say they are lying...they are lying...
(Don't over do the analysis of this one, OK? It's a dilemma that cannot be resolved.)

Mark

Actually, this is what I was going to say yesterday after your reply to my hot air balloon comment. I was going to say "she sure has you convinced!"

Something I read by Mrs. W last night surprised me, though. She said 85% of these sitch's require Plan B. You should read her response to bigpicture from last night-it is priceless.

Anyways...be back later.

I think you're doing a great Plan A (FWW here talking)

Thanks CW,

If you see anything that might have made you pull back, please do not hesitate to say so.

On another note... I'm and Idiot...

I set up the whole Lowes thing for tonight, then found out they close at 6. LOL
Good news id that she was happy to go on Saturday.

What is the status on getting the recorder in her car TMTS?

Mrs. W

It's in there. I got it under the seat right now, It's a crummy recording but good enough to tell who she would be talking to. So far all I got is a call to the neighbor and tunes. On the weekend I'm going to try to get a mic hooked uo to the steering column to get a better recording. I hope this guy has moved on.

YOU DA MAN!!! Glad to hear you watching out for yourself and family! And of course I hope he's moved on too...

Mrs. W

Believer, I love your posts. One liners and straight to the point. Your comment applies to me too I think...

That's why I'm talking to JH Thursday night. Need to get the right strategy on Plan B. It's weird that WW talks the talk but I don't see much walking. I still haven't heard back form the mediator, she's telling people different things about the apartment (But she had a sofa. LOL). It would be nice if she delayed until March, then I'm at 3.5 months and in a, much better position.

Many have told me that I'm doing well, bit I just don't feel it. (Mark, Mrs.W, Lala...insert big 2x4... forget 2x4, insert Louisville slugger here). No expectations...

I know that Plan B is to make sure I don't drain my LB and still hold on to my love for her. But I can't help but think that if she does go after two and a half months of Plan A (Feb. 1) that the impact of going dark from day one.

We should start a Mrs. TMTS pool to see if she comes back. I kid... I would love nothing more than to introduce her to all of you one day, so that we can get help to go through the tough part of this. She is a very sweet and kind person (W is anyway), that just married an emotionally stunted jerk. So if I get the chance, I'll really need you to keep me in check.

Maybe one day I'll be able to help out some poor sole with one liners...

Thanks

1...2...3..EVERYBODY...THWACK!

No matter what you were in the past, that is NOT the person you are now. You need to love yourself, TMTS. You are doing the most amazing thing a person could ever do right now. Totally selfless and loving and giving. Give yourself some credit PUH-LEEZE!!! You are full of amazing grace and she will love and be in awe of you for this one day soon...

Yeah - what LaLa said.

TMTS,

A good location for a small mic is inside the air conditioning vents closest to the driver position. Use the one toward the center of the car instead of between the driver and the window as it will get less road noise and will also pick up anyone else that happens to get into the car...

Some SUVs and other vehicles these days also have an overhead console with a perforated section designed to hold a mic for a hands-free cell phone. This is almost perfect if you can get it there because it is designed to be in the right place to get the driver's voice.

Where ever it ends up, it cannot be visible from the driver position. Remember to readjust you angle of view if she is much shorter than you are because what I see at 6'4" from my perspective is not the same field of view as my wife has at 5'2".

You've got mail, BTW.

Mark

I'm in a foul mood right now... We have my ODDs BF staying with us right now and they got into a little tiff, so each of them in turn went of a walk to cool down. About 20 mins ago we notice that we are out of milk so I get my coat on to go get some. As 'm leaving WW ask me where I'm going so I kid around and say that I'm F'ing off like the others (Referring to the girls), she pipes up and says "So does that mean I get the house" and she says it almost in a joking manner. So I politely tell her that I was referring to the girls tonight. She tells me that she though I was talking about her and the BF (Who went to sleep at her cousins). All laughing and smiley. This is the attitude I am talking about, that she is completely indifferent to this. I felt like telling her to pack her bags and get out now!!!

Is this also fog? This arrogant laughing in my face attitude?

I've got her on complete ignore right now, because I don't want to blow up...

Ignore her...That is part of that wayward, "I'm too cool" mentality...<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

Mrs. W

I did, and I gave her the "ya, but I'm still cooler than you'll ever be routine" Still all smile and happy, just ignoring her completely.

Ask Mr. W something for me. Were there times where he got so frustrated that he just wanted to slap you silly?

I know how maddening it is. My ex just had no clue at all how hurtful he was being. He was so wrapped up in himself, he didn't notice anyone else's problems or pain. It is sickening. Maybe you can go for a walk, or a drive. I would stay away from her.

He had a german shepard who was a one-man dog. He left her with me and never came to visit. It was the saddest thing. She watched and waited for him, and shook and cowered.

Then he would bounce by once a month all happy and announce that she was just fine. Then off to be with his lover again. The selfishness knows no bounds.

He was GREAT at ignoring my baloney...Mr. W has NO temper whatsoever...He has NEVER, and I mean NEVER yelled in his entire life...He's kind of an anomaly in that way...His life's motto is "Act, Don't React"...It has served him well...

Make no mistake about it though, I was annoying as all get out...He just had a very strong resolve...He also KNEW that, even though he loved me dearly, if I continued down the wayward path that he be more than fine without me...He is a very confident man...The affair did throw him for a loop in the beginning, as it would anyone, but he stood up very quickly...

Mrs. W