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Found this one quoted by Pep. I think 2Oak was the author, but it was well before my time. We need to be apart so I can find myself" What a cute little euphemism that is, finding yourself or finding out who you are.
Many of my dear friends here know that I am a big believer in using a gentle touch on those unfortunate souls who either "Need to find themselves" or "Need to find out who they are" before they can come home to their families.
So, as a public service to these unfortunate souls I have composed "Finding yourself for Dummies"
First, finding yourself... 1. If you can't find yourself, try looking in your shoes. More than likely you will be there.
2. Do not bother looking where your children or responsibilities are, though that would be a reasonable place to look we know you are not there.
3. If need be, go to the police station and give the desk sargeant an 8x10 or you and ask to have an APB put out since you can't find yourself.
4. Ask your child to point to their mom/dad, if you are not sure which one you are reach into your pants and feel around, if there is a penis there, you are dad, if not, you're probably mom.
Now one of these tried and true methods ought to help you find yourself, but it probable dark so let's help you see better. Reach behind you, palms facing you, arms hanging down and grab. That's your butt. Now reach in that and look for a large round object, that is your head. Now, with both hands pull as hard as you can. You are now performing recto-cranial extraction.
Ok, now you have found yourself. We are making progress here! Now we need to find out "who you are". This is not so hard. Look around the house - if there are one or more particularly short little people ask one of them, they are called children, they probably know the answer as it was one of their first two or 3 words. Not able to talk yet? No sweat.
Look for the full grown person with the red eyes who looks like they haven't slept in a while - they probably know. They aren't home??? let's keep looking.
Try looking in a desk or filing cabinet. Look for folders named "mortgage", "Utilities", Or "Marriage license". There will probably be two names here - you are one of those. So we have found you and narrowed it down to two people.
Now look and see if there is a wallet around. Remember that? Little pocket sized leather folding thingy. Look for something that says drivers license. There should be a name. Now find a mirror (Glass thingy in the bathroom), look at the picture on the driver's license and the face in the mirror, if they match, the name on the license is WHO YOU ARE. If they don't, check those papers you found - you are the other name.
Now that you have found yourself and know who you are go find the other full grown person in the house and introduce yourself. Start out with "I'm sorry I could not find myself or figure out who I was, I know now"
Next, knock off the drama, quit being melodramatic and start being mom/dad, husband/wife like you are supposed to and quit with the childish theatrics because the final piece is WHERE YOU ARE. This is called the real world where people depend on you to act like a grownup and keep track of details like who and where you are. The little people in the house are kinda sorta counting on you too.
If this doesn't work and you have to take a journey to answer these questions there is a chance that when you find yourself you will be alone, without a house, without a spouse, without children who love you and without a penny. That is how my XW found herself a year later. Trust me, my plan outlined earlier is better.
Ahhhhhhhhh.... okay, I needed to get that out since the day my XW took off into the sunset and another post yanked that rant out of me. If your WS tells you that they need time away to find themselves and discover who they are print it out for them. If they can't follow the directions make sure the door doesn't hit them in the rear and injure their head. There is a reason I harp on not putting up with crap from WS's who like to play little selfish games - if you indulge them they keep playing them.
I'm better now. Thanks for letting me take a good long vent... maybe I am finally getting my old, dead, buried, BS issues from the days before I met J out of my system.
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TMTS,
NICE!!!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
I see you have found YOURSELF. Don't lose him again and remember this life is about YOUR choices, not her's.
God Bless,
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Now live as if you meant what you said, and I think you may be surprised at the effect that it has. For Neak, everything changed--turned upside down, even--when the balance of power shifted between her and her husband and he was no longer the one in control of her emotions. I know everybody reacts differently, and one person's actions are no guarantee that someone else will have the same result, but it sure made a huge difference for them, and started them on the road to recovery. Best wishes to you from all the Neaks.
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IMO, that sounds awesome. Very cool, very composed....if she can't figure out what she's leaving behind after that, then she doesn't deserve you.
Well played, sir. Mind if I use a few of those lines when it's my turn at my WW?
I'm sure she's still going to take some time to figure things out and process stuff.....but I don't see how you could have handled things much better than that my man.
I say EXCELLENT! (of course I'm a rookie <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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wow, that's great! I've learn many valuable things in this thread.
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Good morning Folks,
Wow I feel like many of you have been reading this waiting for this day to come. Thanks for all the support.
About finding herself. I had read the post you quoted Mark, and I had to literally think poker face to myself when she said it because the first thing that came to mind was the first line...about looking at your shoes your probably there.
So this morning I go to take a shower and she's getting ready for work, so I go in and say "good morning gorgeous" I could tell that it got to her because she giggled and blushed a bit.
Now for the POSOM... I did have time to find out if the neighbor had printed out the chat conversation they had (Sorry MyRev, we don't have a phone number, I checking for any new ones on her cell tonight) If not I’m telling her that I plan to go to the apartment Saturday during the move and confront him with this information so she can here it from him. As far as throwing her under the bus, there is no more information to gather at this point, and if she didn't want to be "involved" she would have told my WW months ago not to use her place as a refuge to call him.
Now a question of opinion. I found out his e-mail address, I've got two ways to go about this... 1- E-mail him the following: Well see you Saturday. 2- Just show up and confront him directly.
#1 would be effective if it keeps him away, then it shows her just what she is dealing with. #2 should scare the crap out of him, and show the new confident me. But he might now spill the beans and come up with some lame excuse.
I’m thinking right now of doing both.
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TMTS,
Don't miss SS's advice about what could be the best Plan A moment you've had in all of this.
Don't just go out. Take her out. Don't you have curling tonight?
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Hi Mark,
No curling is tomorrow night and she can't make it because of the time. So I was going to suggest it to her for tonight.
I'm going to text her the following, "hey beautiful, how about one of those dates you talked about last night? How does dinner at umberto's sound?"
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TMTS, You did a fantastic job! How do you feel this morning? Feels great to stand up for yourself and finally take control of your life back doesn't? I don't think you could have handled that situation any better. Now a question of opinion. I found out his e-mail address, I've got two ways to go about this... 1- E-mail him the following: Well see you Saturday. 2- Just show up and confront him directly. My first thought, is you should go for option #2. That way you would get a chance to show your DW just what a pathetic little scumbag he is. My only concern is will you be able to show enough restraint to not hand him his [censored] on a platter. We sure would hate for you to end up in jail for kicking his A$$. If you think you can, this would be a great plan a moment where you stand up for your DW and kick this POS to the curb for her. Kind of a knight in shining armor gig. So, if you doubt you'll be able to pull that off without beating him senseless, then I would go with option #1 that way you avoid the possibility of any trouble. Just my .02 cents.(Mark we've almost got enough for a cup of coffee <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />) You really did do a great job and I'm so happy for you. I think you've done all you can to give your M a fighting chance. The ball has been firmly planted in her court. Hopefully, she'll have enough common sense to remove her craniumus from her rectumus just long enough to "find herself" before she lets the best thing that ever happened to her walk away. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> Want2Stay
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Big thumbs up on the dinner invite! Very smoooooth! Aren't you joe cool!
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Hopefully, she'll have enough common sense to remove her craniumus from her rectumus just long enough to "find herself" before she lets the best thing that ever happened to her walk away. Thanks W2S. I think (Or hope) that when I told her about my test outing to see if I could go out and have a good time on my own in combination with my statement about starting the healing process starting right now really got her thinking (She called it processing). The big thing with last night was to dispel this idea of her's that I would be around and wait for her for as long as it takes, she got the message that every day that opening gets smaller and smaller. About confronting him, I think I could restrain myself but I really don't know especially if he starts to mouth off. If it wasn't for the kids, where I could take some vacation time...oh man.
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Big thumbs up on the dinner invite! Very smoooooth! Aren't you joe cool! This part I've got down to an art form. I think she is starting to believe that the commitment to change is real, but we shall see. It's the standing up to her and being tough that I was having difficulty with. Last week Mark finally got fed up with my whining and suggested Love must be tough, and that's where it started. Then yesterday, I had the privilege of getting a good old southern style butt kicking by My Rev, and that kind of go me going. But I must thank my MIL, because her letting it out of the bag gave me the bonus of perfect timing to let all this out. I felt really good while doing it too, no tears no whining no pleading or begging...just the facts jack. She on the other hand started crying when I talked about the thing I had learned, and now understood about the nurturing of a relationship. She said "This is what I’ve been looking for" So the gauntlet has now been dropped and I can get back to working on me.
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Good job TMTS! I like the idea of showing up on moving day and confronting OM, but I personally could not do it. Someone mentioned something about kicking his [censored]. I really FEAR what might happen if I get put into the same room with my W's OM. I think I'd be looking at a long prison sentence, I don't say that to sounds like a badass, I just don't think I could control myself.
Anyhow, as much as I think it would be good to confront him personally, I think you should try to scare him off, then be there just in case.
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Now for the POSOM... I did have time to find out if the neighbor had printed out the chat conversation they had (Sorry MyRev, we don't have a phone number, I checking for any new ones on her cell tonight) If not I’m telling her that I plan to go to the apartment Saturday during the move and confront him with this information so she can here it from him. As far as throwing her under the bus, there is no more information to gather at this point, and if she didn't want to be "involved" she would have told my WW months ago not to use her place as a refuge to call him. My mistake, I thought the neighbor had actually talked on the phone with the OM ... so it was an IM type chat instead? Hopefully, you can retrieve and print out the exchange ... I have to admit to not being IM savvy, so maybe some of the others can help you there. If you can get it printed, you should be GOLDEN as the OM own words will hang him. As an alternative, what do you think your WW's response would be to just asking her to contact the OM with you present and the 3 of you have a little conversation? Something like ... "Honey (or whatever pet name you have for WW), we're getting very close to a major turning point in our M, possibly even passing a point of no return in our relationship, and as you know I would prefer to keep our family intact. At this point, I'm still your H, and as your H, its my job to protect members of our family, even from dangers that they may not recognize. In effect, there are 3 of us in this M right now, and based on what the neighbor says, I think there is a possibility you are being deceived. It's one thing if you're moving out to gain some perspective, but its something else when there are concerns that you may be making this decision based on false information. Since there is this 3rd person in our M, doesn't it make sense for all 3 of us to clear the air and understand where each one of us are coming from, so any decisions are based on the full and complete story? Would you call OM, with me on the extention, and let's see what he has to say about Neighbors information that he already has another live in GF, and that he plans to break it off with you after the move on Saturday? I still love you very much, in spite of all that has occurred, and regardless of how this turns out, that love keeps me from wanting to see you hurt. I have discovered much about myself during this ordeal, and have made changes within myself to where I know I will be happy and prosper, and I still love you enough to want the same for you, whether I'm in the picture or not. Before we do something that we may not recover from, and because 20 years of memories and our family shouldn't be jeopardized for a lie, you owe it to US to find out the full truth. Let's make that call." Use your own words, but I was trying to put it in terms that WW's can understand, without be accusatory or condemning ... just talk about all of the time you've spent together and the love you've shared, and how you don't want to see her hurt, regardless of the circumstances. All I can say is it worked in my case, and I don't think it hurts your position at all to ask. Thoughts??? ... others feel free to chime in. My purpose is to make you look good in comparison to the OM and avoid the necessity of the move altogether.
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You hit the nail on the head, as much as I'd like to sit here and say that I cold control myself. Just thinking about seeing his POS face starts to get my blood boiling. On the other hand I'm in Canada, so if I drag him to the nearest hockey rink and do it there I might just get a 5 min penalty. LOL
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I don't think it hurts your position at all to ask. What's the worse that can happen from asking her... she says no. I like the idea.
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I guess the thing is that it really doesn't matter if he's lying or not. Your WW has all the information she needs to make a decision she shouldn't need to make in the first place. You know what they say about horses, water, and drinkin', right?
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On the other hand I'm in Canada, so if I drag him to the nearest hockey rink and do it there I might just get a 5 min penalty. LOL What a GREAT line ... I literally lauged out loud to where my secretary turned and looked when I read the above. Thanks!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> There you go ... a great sense of humor on top of the strong, confident, and stylish new image has to be VERY attractive to WW. You can almost see you becoming the new and improved TMTS right through the monitor. Take care of business with the OM, and Plan A her socks off for the next two evenings. I like your position now, much better than I did just 24 hours ago.
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[email]Da@m[/email], the POS change his email address. Time to pull out the hockey gear.
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It's the standing up to her and being tough that I was having difficulty with. You have certainly mastered this in the most loving, strong way. I am so happy for you. TMTS, You are getting some amazing suggestions and support. Are you still taking care of yourself and remembering that is as important but as you continue to love yourself you will have it to offer her and then some..
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