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ark, you lost me completely...no ?what?


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no heartpain..

what is happening is ONE person is giving their opinion...
and then the next poster gives their opinion...

and then the next...
and then you have a post full of different opinions...

it's not a KNOWN troll...
Its a person..

and if their advice is bad...then surely other posters will come along and post bigger better opinions...

but attacking that poster will not help the person seeking advice...

it will deflect from the person who needs advice....though...

opinions differs all the time....
advice differs all the time...

I give bad advice...
am I a troll....

and the person receiving the advice..thinks and may or may not decide to do something from alllll the advice given...

that's what this board is about...

ARK^^

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I think that folks should handle trolls in the way they see fit. If you see fit to handle it in a certain way, then do it that way. But it makes no sense to tell others how to handle trolls. We can't all be the self appointed arbiters of troll/instigator handling, can we?

Sometimes I just ignore them and notify the mod and sometimes I address the troll [or the newbie to which they post] and notify the mod. It depends on the situation.

In the end it all comes down to our own judgment on how I handle it and if the mod disagrees it will be up to HER to correct. NOT ME, NOT YOU.


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no heartpain..

what is happening is ONE person is giving their opinion...
and then the next poster gives their opinion...

and then the next...
and then you have a post full of different opinions...

it's not a KNOWN troll...
Its a person..

and if their advice is bad...then surely other posters will come along and post bigger better opinions...

but attacking that poster will not help the person seeking advice...

it will deflect from the person who needs advice....though...

opinions differs all the time....
advice differs all the time...

I give bad advice...
am I a troll....

and the person receiving the advice..thinks and may or may not decide to do something from alllll the advice given...

that's what this board is about...

ARK^^

The trolls that attacked my FWH were not giving advice. They (or should I say he/she with multiple usernames) posted very hurtful words to purposely rip my FWH apart, all the while posting nicey nice words on my thread.

This troll (with multiple names) targeted us for God knows what reason. There was no "better advice" to be given because the troll didn't give any advice. That was not the intent of the post.

The vets who came in on it, blasted the troll. My FWS was brand new to these boards, and, without the vets doing that, he would have just assumed he "got what he deserved". He still felt that way.

I'm not kidding when I say the damage was done. It devastated him, even after he knew it was a troll.

THEN, just this week, the same troll comes back and starts posting to us again after being gone for a few weeks.

We actually stopped posting on our threads a few weeks back, just to let it all die down and hopefully the troll would fade away. But this "person" dug up our threads just to be a thorn in our side again.


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no heartpain..

what is happening is ONE person is giving their opinion...
and then the next poster gives their opinion...

and then the next...
and then you have a post full of different opinions...

it's not a KNOWN troll...
Its a person..

and if their advice is bad...then surely other posters will come along and post bigger better opinions...

but attacking that poster will not help the person seeking advice...

it will deflect from the person who needs advice....though...

opinions differs all the time....
advice differs all the time...

I give bad advice...
am I a troll....

and the person receiving the advice..thinks and may or may not decide to do something from alllll the advice given...

that's what this board is about...

ARK^^

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You have obviously not yet been targeted by the troll.

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Bottom line is...so you can all save your breath as far as I am concerned...for whatever part of this thread is directed at me..
I will post as i see fit. If the moderators have a problem with my posts they will communicate that to me either by email or through edits. I am not at all interested in how another poster feels I should post or not post.
I don't care for the posting styles of many people here...they are too PC....but I can't change that. So, if anyone here doesn't like what, how or to whom I post, I suggest using your little ignore button. It is there for a reason.

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sorry heartpain..

princessmeggy..posed that question...not you...

so the answer to her is
no princess meggy.... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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You should talk to your oldest boy about the situation and get him to be on your side. You're their mom and it's very rare for them to side with OW.

My 2cents: The above advice was posted TODAY by someone who is a KNOWN troll to a poster who is in dire straights. Is it being said now that vets should not address such blatant bad advice? How does the person being posted to KNOW unless a vet points it out?
I don't think anyone has said that...If I have missed it, would you kindly point out the exact statement?

I was going on this statement made on an earlier page:

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One only has a couple of choices in a situation such as this: 1) Let the situation(trolling) play itself out; 2) increase investment in moderators and admins and let them sort it out. Actually there is a third choice that some boardops use, and that is to shut down for variable periods of time, hoping trouble moves away.

Sorry. I will ALWAYS address and WARN against bad advice given by a KNOWN troll to a hurting newbie poster who otherwise might believe that the troll is legit.


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You should talk to your oldest boy about the situation and get him to be on your side. You're their mom and it's very rare for them to side with OW.

My 2cents: The above advice was posted TODAY by someone who is a KNOWN troll to a poster who is in dire straights. Is it being said now that vets should not address such blatant bad advice? How does the person being posted to KNOW unless a vet points it out?
I don't think anyone has said that...If I have missed it, would you kindly point out the exact statement?

I was going on this statement made on an earlier page:

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One only has a couple of choices in a situation such as this: 1) Let the situation(trolling) play itself out; 2) increase investment in moderators and admins and let them sort it out. Actually there is a third choice that some boardops use, and that is to shut down for variable periods of time, hoping trouble moves away.

Sorry. I will ALWAYS address and WARN against bad advice given by a KNOWN troll to a hurting newbie poster who otherwise might believe that the troll is legit.


So grateful you (and others) do. Thanks for watching out for us (me and FWS!) <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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no heartpain.. [meant to be PM]

what is happening is ONE person is giving their opinion...
and then the next poster gives their opinion...

and then the next...
and then you have a post full of different opinions...

it's not a KNOWN troll...
Its a person..

and if their advice is bad...then surely other posters will come along and post bigger better opinions...

but attacking that poster will not help the person seeking advice...

it will deflect from the person who needs advice....though...

opinions differs all the time....
advice differs all the time...

I give bad advice...
am I a troll....

and the person receiving the advice..thinks and may or may not decide to do something from alllll the advice given...

that's what this board is about...

ARK^^

Shouldn't the measure be whether the said advice follows MB? Maybe those with differing opinions should clarify WHY (based on MB only) they feel differently. Isn't THAT what this board is all about? Offering MB-based advice?

I dunno. I've only seen heated controversy mostly on threads where the original subject was controversial (and known to be controversial when it was started.) For the most part, newbies are getting pretty much the SAME MB advice (except when the trolls invade).

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This entire thread was started as yet another attempt to control peoples postings. Get over it already people.

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As you all post here, the TROLL I was talking about is posting to me and my FWS AGAIN!!!!

Thank you MEDC for seeing it and addressing it so quickly.


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you're welcome...Justuss has been notified as well.

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2Long,

Extend your wick, please.

<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Going to Heartpain's (whom I take to be Dwayne, though he didn't say it himself) post, sans troll talk...what if we treat those who demand we post like them like trolls and STOP feeding them?

What if we really do use the ignore feature, stop contributing to their threads, which they populate with a lot of posts about this very subject...and focus on giving what we have and getting what we need?

I believe the newbies see the vets doing what they do...and they know that what vets will do to others, they will do to you. They can see it right in front of their eyes. They know. Let's act from respect for the posters here and contribute to their threads and not hijack them in addressing other posters.

And what if I can't take my own advice right now? Would you help me, 2Long? Heartpain? I'm going to lean on your example when I lose my way...and I have, too...heartsick and sore...this is the only solution I can think of, because I believe we only have one moderator left to cover all the forums on this website.

Otherwise, I'd agree with Ark's method...the way we used to do it...not feeding...not responding...even when we are biting at the bit to react.

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What if we really do use the ignore feature, stop contributing to their threads, which they populate with a lot of posts about this very subject...and focus on giving what we have and getting what we need?


works for me..ignore away.

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Why don't all you brilliant, good hearted people give this up and go find someone to help?

This isn't our board.

Trolls. .

they aint our job.

Its the internet, trolls happen.

The reaction to the trolls, or the reaction to the reactions to the trolls, has become a much bigger issue than the trolls themselves. Which is a dream come true for a troll. Stop feeding them!

GO HELP SOMEONE ELSE! NOW!
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Hmmm, Heartpain clearly states that his original post was NOT about trolls... yet the troll talk goes on and on and on. But of course! It's such a convenient Red Herring!

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Tyk,

In a technical sense...would that be "boot scootin'"?

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On my way, sir. I know when I hear great advice.

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