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#1994556 12/18/07 04:31 PM
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I have been reading a thread here and am now confused about the purpose of exposure. A rather seasoned poster here has advised that exposure to external parties is ineffective in ending the affair.

I don't agree with this but am wondering now if I have ill advised folks here. I personally believe that if a WS is having a workplace affair, that the BS should expose it to the supervisor of the WS.

Am I incorrect?

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FYI,

This is the comment that I am referring to:



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I thought that the purpose of exposure was also to obtain the assistance of anyone in a position to put pressure on the WS to end the inappropriate relationship.


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Nope---at least, I've never heard the Harley's using that view in any of their material. I did counsel with Steve for over a year, so I have a pretty good understanding of the methodology.

In general, "external" forces designed to disrupt an affair usually have the opposite effect---they tend to push the affair couple together. Exposure is about removing secrecy---affairs thrive in secrecy, and once they are outed, the fantasy aspect of the relationship will end, and reality will start.

The only people who can effectively end the affair are the WS and the OP. You need to set the conditions for it (removing the secrecy), but there's an aspect you're missing---after the affair is over, is the spouse going to want to come back? That's the premise behind a good Plan A and a 'silent' Plan B. You leave the WS on your best behavior.

This smacks as a very punative, ineffective response. It's unlikely to achieve the end goal of recovery. It's unlikely to help hopenpray stay in a quiet Plan B where her love is slowly draining. It does set the stage for a big blow-up, and huge love bank withdrawals by both parties.


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Hi Who:

I think I was misquoted a bit... let me repost:

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In general, "external" forces designed to disrupt an affair usually have the opposite effect---they tend to push the affair couple together.

This was with regard to a specific instance as well (the affair had been public for at least a year, and there was question as to whether to make a run to the CEO to tattle).

Exposure is all about ending the secrecy of an affair. It lets your spouse know that YOU KNOW! It starts the clock. Affairs thrive in secrecy---there's an adrenelin rush that you get when you sneak around doing stuff you shouldn't. That's part of the addictive nature of an affair.

So, how to expose? It's a situational decision (as well as a moral decision for some with regard to OP's spouses). There are a few guidelines for exposure:

1. You're doing it to end the secrecy---not as punishment.

2. You're doing it do set up a chance at recovery.

3. Once you do "it", you can't take it back.

A measured, tiered exposure pattern was the method Steve H used with me, and I believe it's the one that he advises most of his clients with. To give you my case---my wife was having an affair (not workplace), and our children were 7 and 3 at the time.

1. First exposure---to her. And only her.

2. Second exposure---her sister. That was about 1 month into a Plan A.

3. Third exposure---parents and some close friends, about 6 months in, as I was transitioning to Plan B. Kid's were not informed.

These are measured responses. While some believe that you should shout it from the trees immediately after you find out---there's scant evidence that this approach ends an affair any quicker, and evidence (ancedotal) to the contrary that it leads to successful recoveries.

Keep those guidelines in mind. If I had a hypothetical situation where my spouse was having a workplace affair---I'd expose to her first. Plan A and POJA with her to change jobs. If this was unsuccessful, I would then probably expose the affair to her supervisor(s) and HR at work.

I hope that helps---you're not 'incorrect' with regards to your thought on exposing a workplace affair---but the application on the other thread was inappropriate.

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Thanks K.

I'll admit I was confused. As I read the situation, the BW had not exposed at the work place because her WH told her the CEO already knew. I suspect that like many supervisors (note I didnt' say leaders), the CEO does know, but prefers to pretend they do not because they don't want to deal with the situation as they should.

The bottom line here is that the BW has had difficulty with Plan A because her WH is living with the OW and she never really did a plan B since there was still limited contact between she and her WH.

I have zero experience with having to expose since my FWH had already ended his A prior to DD. If I had exposed, it would have been punitive and I agree with you that it would have achieved no positive result for our recovery.

Thanks for your input. I want to insure that when I do give advice her that it isn't harmful.

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Hi Who and K,

Thanks for posting, K. I truly appreciate your care and concern and time. (Did you see my 'thanks to seasoned MB Vets' thread which included your name....I think it's slipped off page, one, tho.)

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I want to insure that when I do give advice her that it isn't harmful

I gave out harmful advice as a 7-day old newbie and TJ'd a thread from another newbie....who finally came back later. I was glad that someone cared enough to help me but I wish they would have done what you did.

Thanks for posting this thread, Who and for explaining it, K. We need more of these types of threads to avoid the many TJ's like I used to cause.

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Hi WhoMe,

I've tried to clarify the process with regards to exposure back on that thread. It's a risk vs benefit calculation, and in this case, I think it's strongly on the side of 'don't bother'.

To give you an instance where it might be appropriate---take their situation, 2 months into Plan A. BS has tried unsuccessfully to negotiate an end to the affair. No one at work knows about it, and it's strictly forbidden by work policy. Let's say the job is important to the husband's esteem as well.

At this point, I would suggest that the BS have 'records' that are irrefutable about the affair. I then have the BS sit down and discuss this with the WS (preferrably with a mediator, like Steve)---that if the No Contact letter won't be written an a plan for recovery can't be negotiated, then she'll be forced to go to the company and expose---which is not what she wants to do. You don't lay this down as a 'my way or the highway'---because that's a selfish demand. You have to allow room for the WS to have some say and negotiate (in good faith). But if that didn't happen---then I would expose to the workplace.

That's a potential example of how exposure works---but as I hope you can see, it's very tactical, specific---with a clear set of goals, specific timing, and with a known set of risks.

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Hello Ace,

I probably missed the 'thanks' thread---I appreciate the thoughts.

I was fortunate---when I showed up on this forum, there was only one board---and I had been in counseling for nearly a year. But I always, ALWAYS worry about the advice I give---this isn't the place to do drive-by postings without followup.

And back in those old days, I knew everyone, because I had more time and there were a lot fewer people. It's hard to keep up around here... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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I was going to link it for you, but I'll just bump it.


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