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Most employers require a background check, drug screening and credit check before hiring. The reason??? Companies understand that the past is a good indicator of future performance. In the case of electing our President we are the employers. I for one will use past performance to help determine my vote.
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I guess that my standards are higher for the future leader of the free world. A person who, as commander in chief of our armed forces, can send our sons and daughters off to be wounded or killed on foreign soil.
The POTUS is not just some guy or gal on the street and they should be held to a higher standard than the rest of the country (IMHO). If not them, then who can we expect to lead our Nation using good judgement, putting the wellfare of others ahead of their own wants and desires.
Unfortunately, we aren't talking about repentant FWS here. In one instance the candidate has married the OW and if he wins, she's going to be our First Lady. Some example for the youth of our Nation and the rest of the World.
I know that as a BS, I sure would hate to see the woman who did her best to break up my marriage be in a position to influence anything.
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In one instance the candidate has married the OW and if he wins, she's going to be our First Lady. I propose a title change, in the event that should happen. Third Woman, not First Lady. As I said, if Hilary gets elected, Bill will be First Lady. -ol' 2long
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Frog - neither of these players fit the kind of recovering wayward spouse or betrayed spouse you describe as being able to put the past behind them. Their violations are ever present, as is the wayward fog/ambition/entitlement fog around them. I think that is the point I was trying to drive home. Do not let infidelity be the ONLY determining factor. I do not say it shouldn't be a factor in your decesion making. But these two players don't regret their actions. Therefore, a wise, informed voter who recognizes that private behavior gives clues about public integrity would be careful in even considering the rest of the campaign promises uttered by these two. I agree here as well. I think this was a point I was trying to make. There is a differenc between a repentant FWS and a person that just left their family. I agree I would have a hard time voting for someone that did that. However if the candidate that was unfaithful ahd a better track record with everything else I might still vote for them. I would rather have a person that has a strong track record in his political past but not in his personal life then a politician that has a great personal life and a horible track record. They, the candidates, knew going in they'd be scrutinized under a microscope. This is one of the reasons that we don't have the best people running our country. Anyone smart enough to run the country is to smart to run. We all have skeletons in our closet. What I did in my life 20 years ago has NO effect on my ability to do my job today. Even if I did have an Affair. I know for me, I will not vote for anyone that has been exposed What if they have never been exposed? What happens if you elect the candidate that is less qualified because they were EXPOSED and the other candidate was an adulterer only to be found out AFTER the election? My biggest concern is the sneakier WS or FWS is the one that might get elected. Because they never got caught.
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Frog, Honest, I am not trying to be disagreeable here, but ... What I did in my life 20 years ago has NO effect on my ability to do my job today. That would depend on what you had done in the past and what lesson you learned from it. One good example might be if you were applying for a job that required a security clearance and couldn't get one because of something you had done decades ago. Again, I think that our future President needs to have better character and higher morals than the average person. I mentioned something earlier in this thread, that I didn't mean to be offensive, but am now sorry that I didn't word it more carefully. Say that a "former" Child Molester wanted to move next door to you. This "former" child molester has not been arrested or suspected of further abuse for 20 years. Would you be concerned to have this potentially reformed CHild Molester live next door, or would you wonder if perhaps they had simply been hiding it better. I accept that dispite the magnifying glass that public figures are exposed to that there are many who are guilty of not only infidelity but other crimes as well. But just like anyone else I encounter, I don't look at every man and think "he's cheating on his wife." But, if I know he did it before, well, if I see him talking to a woman other than his wife, I'm just gonna wonder. With a public figure, if I know that he/she is guilty of adultry, well I am always going to wonder, are they doing it again and how will it affect the country if it comes out. Whether you want to recognize it or not, the actions of our President have a HUGE impact on world opinion of our Nation. I have lived overseas and have many international friends, and people do judge us on the actions of our leaders. Who
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They, the candidates, knew going in they'd be scrutinized under a microscope. The point is, I as a voter have a right to know about it so I can make an informed decision when I vote. It DOES weigh heavily in my voting. I suspect it may for other folks as well. Jo
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Who, I don't think you are being disagreeable. I think you are taking everything I say quite literally. Yes there are things that people do that would preclude them from somethings. No I wouldn't want a child molester living next door to me. Mostly because in that instance, there are several trains of thought that say that child molesters will Always be child molesters. I think that is a very extemem example. Whether you want to recognize it or not, the actions of our President have a HUGE impact on world opinion of our Nation. I do recognize that. However in many countries infidelity isn't a determining factor in running the country. I go back to what I continue to wonder which is How many people that are much more qualified then who is running our country today don't even run because of their Past. We always see the feel good stories of the woman who was a stripper or a hooker with a drug addiction that was able to pull herself out of the gutter and become a ....... That person wouldn't even run for office today. By putting a strict moral standard on the candidates we would preclude half of the country. Then I would venture to say that in many cases the OP was not married. Do we preclude them too? IF I preclude the wayward I am darn sure precluding the OP if they weren't married. So what percenatage of people do we have left. Oh and I would not even consider electing a president witn no Political experiance. But should we elect anyone who has been actively involved in infidelity from taking any elected office? There are many people who are quite effective in their professional life that have a mess of a personal life. If my president wants to sleep around but, he can balance the budget, lower taxes, cut the deficit, have a good understanding of foreign diplomacy, make the dollar stronger, cut the pork, make health care better, etc. I would vote for him/her. I would not vote for someone just because the other candidate cheated on their spouse. IMVHO the reason our country has the problems it does is we are not elected the best people to do the jobs. If we cut everyone out that has ever been involved in infidelity it will only get worse.
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I see no reason I have to have one or the other. I expect a President to meet the below expectations, and then some:
A President who does not sleep around and he can balance the budget, lower taxes, cut the deficit, have a good understanding of foreign diplomacy, make the dollar stronger, cut the pork, make health care better, etc.
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Hey Frog,
Christmas truce. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> I will agree that WE THE PEOPLE have done a pretty lousy job "selecting" our leadership for quite some time. But then I live and work in the DC area so I see some pretty weird stuff close hand. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />
Have a Happy Holiday! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Who,
No Truce needed!! I like the healthy back and forth on issues like these.
In a sense I agree if it was all things equal that may come into my decesion making process but usually it isn't all things equal.
I think you and I are closer in our thinking the we think.
Happy holidays to you too!!!!
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