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#2002691 01/04/08 11:30 AM
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I came here a year ago and thanks to all the help I recieved I was able to fix what I was doing wrong and successfully turn my marriage aound. My husband and I are now happily married and there are no more talks about seperating- it has been like this for five months now. He says he is so happy with how we are.

I had found out through DNA testing he had an affair. I let it all go and gave up questioning him about it. He would get so angry when I would ask and deny an affair happened (even with the DNA proof...). I spoke to a woman who had called his cell phone and she was wondering if he was in jail- he had not been by to "service the machines" at her workplace (my husband is a vending route driver). She said he was "her buddy." When I asked her what she meant by that she said to ask him and he would tell me they were "smoking buddies." For the longest time he denied this too- although I never told him about the conversation she and I had out of fear he would think I was resorting to my old ways and checking up on him. It was by chance I even got the call- he had given me his cell phone for my daughters. She had sent numerous messages which I did not open out of respect for his privacy wishes- and then she started calling and calling. Finally I gave in and answered- I knew it was wrong the moment I answered- I felt like I was spying.

Anyhow, certain things he does or says at times reminds me of the affair- and emotional affair with this woman apparently (she knew we were having probelems- she tried to talk to me about the problems like she was counceling me or something- was really weird)- I want so badly to ask about everything but I am scared he will get mad and all the good we have rebuilt will come crashing down. What made it really unbearable was the other day on the porch we were talking about me getting a job- he doesnt want me to. He said he is scared I will meet someone, become friends- and then next thing I will know the friendship turns into me wanting more or liking that person more. It was everything I could do not to blurt -like you??? I just said "I want so badly to say something but I cant". He tried to get to the bottom of what I wanted to say but I just said nothing.
All I want to know is who the person is and how the friendship got started. I got over alot of the stuff he did because I knew the details, however this is one part that is nagging inside of me. I am afraid I may end up leaving him someday over it if the resntment continues to build- However, my fear of him leaving again keeps it inside. What can I do? I have forgiven the acts- I cannot forget them and the triggers are unbearable.

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Isn't there a letter somewhere- Joseph's letter?? That explains the betrayed spouses need and right to know any and all details of what happened in the A?

How can you say you are in recovery without radical honesty and all the information you need to make an informed decision?

He is probably thinking that if you knew the whole truth you would leave him for sure. Not that you would- you probably wouldn't, but he doesnt' know for sure and is worried.

And why should you be worried that he'll be mad at that woman calling? It's not like you called her....and you can prove it by cell phone records.

His affair has consequences, NOT you finding out about the affair!

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Here is Joseph's letter via a post from Pepperpand:

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This is a classic letter ... applicable when your adulterous spouse is not willing to disclose the details of the affair ... but wants to recover the marriage ...

Here ya go!

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"To Whomever,

"I know you are feeling the pain of guilt and confusion. I understand that you wish all this never happened and that you wish it would just go away. I can even believe that you truly love me and that your indiscretion hurts you emotionally much the same way it hurts me. I understand your apprehension to me discovering little by little, everything that led up to your indiscretion, everything that happened that night, and everything that happened afterwards. I understand. No one wants to have a mistake or misjudgment thrown in his or her face repeatedly. No one wants to be forced to "look" at the thing that caused all their pain over and over again. I can actually see, that through your eyes, you are viewing this whole thing as something that just needs to go away, something that is over, that he/she doesn't mean anything to you, so why is it such a big issue? I can understand you wondering why I torture myself with this continuously, and thinking, doesn't he/she know by now that I love him/her? I can see how you can feel this way and how frustrating it must be. But for the remainder of this letter I'm going to ask you to view my reality through my eyes.

"You were there. There is no detail left out from your point of view. Like a puzzle, you have all the pieces and you are able to reconstruct them and be able to understand the whole picture, the whole message, or the whole meaning. You know exactly what that picture is and what it means to you and if it can effect your life and whether or not it continues to stir your feelings. You have the pieces, the tools, and the knowledge. You can move through your life with 100% of the picture you compiled. If you have any doubts, then at least you're carrying all the information in your mind and you can use it to derive conclusions or answers to your doubts or question. You carry all the "STUFF" to figure out OUR reality. There isn't really any information, or pieces to the puzzle that you don't have.

"Now let's enter my reality. Let's both agree that this affects our lives equally. The outcome no matter what it is well affect us both. Our future and our present circumstances are every bit as important to me as it is to you. So, why then is it okay for me to be left in the dark? Do I not deserve to know as much about the night that nearly destroyed our relationship as you do? Just like you, I am also able to discern the meaning of certain particulars and innuendoes of that night and just like you, I deserve to be given the opportunity to understand what nearly brought our relationship down. To assume that I can move forward and accept everything at face value is unrealistic and unless we stop thinking unrealistically I doubt our lives well ever "feel" complete. You have given me a puzzle. It is a 1000 piece puzzle and 400 random pieces are missing. You expect me to assemble the puzzle without the benefit of looking at the picture on the box. You expect me to be able to discern what I am looking at and to appreciate it in the same context as you. You want me to be as comfortable with what I see in the picture as you are. When I ask if there was a tree in such and such area of the picture you tell me don't worry about it, it's not important. When I ask whether there were any animals in my puzzle you say don't worry about it, it's not important. When I ask if there was a lake in that big empty spot in my puzzle you say, what's the difference, it's not important. Then later when I'm expected to "understand" the picture in my puzzle you fail to understand my disorientation and confusion. You expect me to feel the same way about the picture as you do but deny me the same view as you. When I express this problem you feel compelled to admonish me for not understanding it, for not seeing it the way you see it. You wonder why I can't just accept whatever you chose to describe to me about the picture and then be able to feel the same way you feel about it.

"So, you want me to be okay with everything. You think you deserve to know and I deserve to wonder. You may honestly feel that the whole picture, everything that happened is insignificant because in your heart you know it was a mistake and wish it never happened. But how can I know that? Faith? Because you told me so? Would you have faith if the tables were turned? Don't you understand that I want to believe you completely? But how can I? I can never know what is truly in your mind and heart. I can only observe you actions, and what information I have acquired and slowly, over time rebuild my faith in your feelings. I truly wish it were easier.

"So, there it is, as best as I can put it. That is why I ask questions. That is where my need to know is derived from. And that is why it is unfair for you to think that we can effectively move forward and unfair for you to accuse me of dwelling on the past. My need to know stems from my desire to hold our world together. It doesn't come from jealousy, it doesn't come from spitefulness, and it doesn't come from a desire to make you suffer. It comes from the fact that I love you. Why else would I put myself through this? Wouldn't it be easier for me to walk away? Wouldn't it be easier to consider our relationship a bad mistake in my life and to move on to better horizons? Of course it would, but I can't and the reason I can't is because I love you and that reason in itself makes all the difference in the world."

(end of Joseph's Letter)

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BB, I am left to wonder how your relationship can be happy and turned around when you are living with someone that refuses to be honest with you. I suggest that all you have built is really just an illusion until these problems are dealt with. Your fear and your H's lying are holding you guys back from a true recovery IMO.


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