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How can you explain men being the butt of jokes in commercials and on sitcoms? They don't do that to women!
Sounds like social conditioniing to me.
As for a sociology book, the education establishment is getting good at revising history. Our founding fathers used to be one thing, now they were just terrible white euro males who had disgusting sexual appetites.
Not a lot of truth in school books these days, but plenty of social engineering.
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Being a scientist, I can tell you that you can always twist statistics into proving your point. But I am sure I can find many more articles supporting the fact that women are much more likely to be the victims of domestic abuse than men are. Here are just a few of the more recent articles found in the SCIENTIFIC literature from the NIH website.
In the United States, 20 percent of all violent crime experienced by women are cases of intimate partner violence, compared to 3 percent of violent crime experienced by men.[12]^ Rennison, Callie Marie (February 2003). "Intimate Partner Violence, 1993-2001". Bureau of Justice Statistics. NCJ 197838
Current rates of intimate partner homicide of females are approximately 4 to 5 times the rate for male victims, although the rates for both have decreased during the past 25 years. Campbell JC, Glass N, Sharps PW, Laughon K, Bloom T. Intimate partner homicide: review and implications of research and policy. Trauma Violence Abuse. 2007 Jul;8(3):246-69.
Results of a national telephone survey conducted in 2001-2003 indicate that 1 in 59 U.S. adults (2.7 million women and 978,000 men) experienced unwanted sexual activity in the 12 months preceding the survey and that 1 in 15 U.S. adults (11.7 million women and 2.1 million men) have been forced to have sex during their lifetime. 1: Violence Vict. 2007;22(4):437-48.
And I could also find many articles supporting the wage gender gap in many fields. In science, there is a yearly report that shows how much of a gender wage and promotion gap still exists. It is NOT a myth. On domestic violence. Most men don't report it and those who do, most are not taken seriously. There are endless stories of men who were arrested when they were the ones bleeding while she was not. Ever heard of VAWA? Violence Against Women Act. Millions of dollars every year goes into shelters, advertising, etc... for WOMEN ONLY. On the wage gap. Women choose easier jobs, take more time off and more women work part time more often than men. More women also choose to be stay at home parents than men. The numbers are compiled by taking total male annual income vs total female annual income. In short, women choose to make less. Shall we take away womens choices and make women work the labor intensive, higher paying jobs? You claim you can produce studies that produce the effect you desire, so do it then.
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People are fairly paid for their work PRODUCTION not their job title. Houston admits that women generally take more time off, and that has been proven. Why would I pay someone the same who is less productive?
Hmm, men more violent, yet we don't subject any women to capital punishment. Couldn't be any bias there, I'm sure.
As for unwanted sex, would Koby Bryant's accuser be included there? "I went to his room through a back way, but I really didn't want sex." Uh, yeah...right.
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Oh, now you are just being rediculous. First of all, women have to take off because it would be pretty difficult for you men to give birth. If you want o have children then women are going to be the ones taking off to have them- no choice there.
Second, for the SAME full time job at the SAME level with the SAME credentials a male scientist on average makes more than a woman doing the SAME job. There are real stats to prove it.
As far as TV, why are women always shown as the brainless dimwits- social conditioning? Women are the ones to panic and scream- yeah right.
Do you know why women have a poorer prognosis than men after a cardiac event- because doctors don't take women's complaints as seriously as men's. Social conditioning- women are just a bunch of whiners.
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And, by the way, I find it insulting as a professional that you would imply that I am not as productive as my male counterparts.
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Oh, now you are just being rediculous. First of all, women have to take off because it would be pretty difficult for you men to give birth. If you want o have children then women are going to be the ones taking off to have them- no choice there.
Second, for the SAME full time job at the SAME level with the SAME credentials a male scientist on average makes more than a woman doing the SAME job. There are real stats to prove it.
As far as TV, why are women always shown as the brainless dimwits- social conditioning? Women are the ones to panic and scream- yeah right.
Do you know why women have a poorer prognosis than men after a cardiac event- because doctors don't take women's complaints as seriously as men's. Social conditioning- women are just a bunch of whiners. Let's see those stats you speak of. I didn't make threats about stats, I showed them and no one has disputed them (claiming there are contradictory stats doesn't dispute the original stats). With those stats be sure to include educational background, work experience in the given field, hours worked per year, length of time at place of employment. People with more education should get paid more than people with less. Working for 20 years in a given field shoul dbe paid higher than a person working in that field for 10 years. Time off for maternity leave lowers annual salary, this is no brainer. Seniority plays a role in salary and it should.
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The income gap narrowed between 2001 and 2004 in academia--with females earning a median salary of $67,000 versus $83,000 for males. In nonacademic settings, however, the gender gap hasn't budged in 3 years, with men outpacing women by $98,000 to $78,000. Science 18 June 2004: Vol. 304. no. 5678, pp. 1830 - 1837
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But you are missing the point, with the same number of publications, the same educational background, same number of years experience, women scientists are being paid less for the same job. This salary gap exists in other fields as well.
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The income gap narrowed between 2001 and 2004 in academia--with females earning a median salary of $67,000 versus $83,000 for males. In nonacademic settings, however, the gender gap hasn't budged in 3 years, with men outpacing women by $98,000 to $78,000. Science 18 June 2004: Vol. 304. no. 5678, pp. 1830 - 1837 See, you are using annual salaries and those are affected by all the things I already mentioned. I will repeat just for you. Women take more time off, are more likely to be stay at home moms and/or work part time jobs. These things directly affect overall female annual salaries. That isn't discrimination, that is fair.
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But you are missing the point, with the same number of publications, the same educational background, same number of years experience, women scientists are being paid less for the same job. This salary gap exists in other fields as well. You haven't proven that. Your stats don't address that AND you can't deny that women take more time off work for a variety of reasons. Less work = Less pay.
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I'll tell you what will help even things out.
Reverse the current custody model. Give custody to fathers as default freeing women up to do anything they wish (and never have to take time off for children appointments).
Every father I know would love to have custody.
Since maternity leave is unavoidable, why not offer equal time off to men after the birth (some countries do this) to even out the time off.
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By the way, one of the statistics have to be wrong. Either women are more likely to be the victims of violence than men- or not. It can't be both ways. I have given you statistics taken from a multi-center national study published in a highly regarded scientific journal. Just because you can quote some obscure stats doesn't make them true. People have published articles saying that the Holocost didn't happen. This doesn't make it true.
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Just because I am more likely to take time off for my children's doctor's appointments doesn't mean I am doing less work. It just means that I have to work harder and more efficiently.
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By the way, one of the statistics have to be wrong. Either women are more likely to be the victims of violence than men- or not. It can't be both ways. I have given you statistics taken from a multi-center national study published in a highly regarded scientific journal. Just because you can quote some obscure stats doesn't make them true. People have published articles saying that the Holocost didn't happen. This doesn't make it true. Mine come from the Center for Disease Control and the University of Florida. Who wins? Stop and think, men don't report it as often...do you deny this? Men aren't taken seriously, can you deny this? False accusations happen, do you deny this? So, do you think it is discriminatory to have Violence Against Women Act to fund shelters, help lines, advertising, etc.. but nothing for men?
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I heard that one before - "I know I only work 4 hours a day, but I can because I am more efficient than everyone else."
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Just because I am more likely to take time off for my children's doctor's appointments doesn't mean I am doing less work. It just means that I have to work harder and more efficiently. Uh yes it does. Are you just as effective doing your job from a doctors office as you are when you are at work? I doubt it and even if you are, does your example apply to the millions of other women who make up this so called wage gap? In most jobs, not being at work means not getting paid. Hourly work as opposed to salary. Cmon, you have to be aware of this.
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ANYtime something is "Men only" someone protests against it.
However, open something woman only or (insert race here) only, how DARE anyone protest against it.
Garak, she just don't get it.
Funny how it is said by so many that in court the truth will come out and win, yet they claim in the workplace hard work doesn't pay off as well if you are the wrong gender.
That's classic playing both sides of the fence.
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I heard that one before - "I know I only work 4 hours a day, but I can because I am more efficient than everyone else." Exactly, women want the same pay working 4 hours that men get for working 8 hours. THAT is discriminatory. Betty left after lunch (missing 4 hours) to take her child to the doctor. Joe stayed all day. However, if Joes paycheck is more at the end of the week...it is seen as discriminatory. Insane. Did you know that women now make up a majority of college students? I only mention that because college education does play a role in how much a person makes.
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ANYtime something is "Men only" someone protests against it.
However, open something woman only or (insert race here) only, how DARE anyone protest against it.
Garak, she just don't get it.
Funny how it is said by so many that in court the truth will come out and win, yet they claim in the workplace hard work doesn't pay off as well if you are the wrong gender.
That's classic playing both sides of the fence. Oh yeah, on the college thing. It's ok to use Affirmative Action to raise the admission rate of females in college but when females are the majority it is not ok to use Affirmative Action to help males. Very few male teachers these days, why is that?
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Come on, Garak, they are just fixing past discrimination. Current discrimination is preferrable, you know.
It tastes better!
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