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Ok last thing. Imagine explaining that to your family and friends. "I'm engaged after 9 weeks but I have to wait to decide a date for the wedding because my fiance is still married!" Crazy.


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Ok last thing. Imagine explaining that to your family and friends. "I'm engaged after 9 weeks but I have to wait to decide a date for the wedding because my fiance is still married!" Crazy.
Unbelievable... but then again... It's a WAYWARD....


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This is the drama that comes with an active wayward. This really isn't anything out of the ordinary.

Just work the plans.

After a really good Plan A, then move into Plan B, which will protect you from all this drama.


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This is the drama that comes with an active wayward. This really isn't anything out of the ordinary.
8 1/2 months ago I loved soap operas. I honestly don't think I have sat down and watched a complete show once since D-Day.

The drama is too much to understand for me. That is the most interesting thing.... Since WH has been gone, there is NO drama in my life what so ever. Him.... almost daily.


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I hear you. I used to visit TMZ.com every day. Now who needs to. I am living it! The best advice I've gotten here is to view them as addicts. Otherwise you will go crazy trying to understand WHY. Just work on ourselves.

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I'd be at a spa -- on a spa vacation right now and he'd be with the kids.


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Spa next week, night out with the girls this weekend and then long hot vacay later in the month.


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After being with her he said he wanted out of them marriage. the marriage was a sham. He never loved me....he only married me and had 2 kids because it was the "right" thing to do.

This is just wayward babble. Ignore it. They all say the same thing. tst told me he hadn't loved me for 13 years and was just biding his time until the kids were grown. They rewrite history to justify the horrid actions.




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What kind of woman actively pursues a married man with two children?

We all know the answer to this, don't we? In my case, OW set up a hotel room and called and invited FWH to meet her.




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I tried PLan A, exposed, was nice, accommodating. Lots of cake-eating. To no avail.

Do you feel you did a really good Plan A? Eliminated love busting? Worked to meet his emotional needs or to demonstrate a willingness to meet them?

Remember, Plan A is often followed by Plan B. Plan A often doesn't "produce results"; but later, in Plan B, you may reap the benefits of a superb Plan A.




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He is so foggy he was babbling all the time about how he was meant to be with her. BLAH BLAH BLAH. I've realized now it is all fogspeak.

That's exactly what it is. Learn to tune it out. Vent here.




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He says he is divorcing me no matter what.

This is more babble. They all say it. FWH told me that he was not seeing OW anymore (when he left the second time), and that his leaving had nothing to do with her. Yeah right!




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I feel she just wants to be in love and once they face reality, that life is not easy, that real love takes effort- he might be back.

You are probably right. But you don't know for sure how long that will take. That's why working the plans is so important. You will have a timeline for how long you will wait out the A.




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But just today on the phone he said "even if I came back you wouldn't want me."

This is a great opportunity to Plan A his behind.

Respond with something like, "I am confident that we can learn to meet each other's needs fully. I will do whatever it takes to create a happy, fulfilling marriage for both of us."

Maybe he's expressing guilt, maybe he's coppin' out, maybe he's asking whether you would be willing to take him back. Doesn't matter what his motives are...Plan A is hiney.




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I have faith the A will die out. She will get tired of waiting... That it felt great at first but it will die out. She won't wait for him. l

That's why you want to avoid any divorce talk. She will get bored waiting. She wants the fairy tale.




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She said in her emails to him she loved him to infinity and beyond-seriously.

That is hilarious!! That's what my little one has said to me for years every night at bedtime, "I love you infinity and beyond." Infinity and beyond--right outta Buzz Lightyear. Perhaps, she's giving a clue about her emotional age. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

It's adorable when my little one says it. But it makes one want to upchuck coming from a "grown" woman.




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Even today he denies he's engaged, but his GF is advertising it to OUR friends.

Sounds like rocky waters ahead for the luv birds.





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Anyway, I'm doing what I can to protect myself and the kids. The rest is up to him. If he pursues Divorce I will contest, stall for as long as I can. I have never wanted my children to come from a broken home. I will do what it takes to keep my family together and he knows that BUT there will come a time when enough will be enough and I may have to leave him behind.

Good for you! It sounds like you know what you want.

How long have you Plan A'd? Do you feel you did a good job of it? Are you taking steps to prepare for Plan B (the LSA is a good step to get prepared)?


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I think I could PLAN A some more. Am doing that in my current exchanges with him. Will keep it up.


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Will update everyone after I see him tomorrow. He's got the separation agreement to mull over tonight.


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It's done. He's gone. I hope she's worth it. He was crying when he left. I know it's not for me. He knows what he is doing. He says what about those men who work away from home for 6 months, are they deadbeats? He's finally concerned that this might mess them up. For weeks now he's been convinced that it didn't matter,' lots of kids don't know their fathers!'

I said well "let's be real it's not like you're being shipped off to Iraq. You're not doing the honourable thing. Let's not confuse WHY you are moving down there- it's to be with her and be unencumbered by responsibilities."

He emailed to say he was sorry, that this was all his fault and that he needed time to make it better. I think that only refers to the kids. It seems his only feelings for me are guilt.

I've got so much support here, I am so grateful to all of you. Lots of couples who will help me, we'll keep the kids busy. "It takes a village...." It's knowing that the future is in my hands, not just my own future but that of my kids.

I know he's been hurtful. I know he's been a [censored] but if he gets his head screwed on straight, can stop lying and GROW UP-- We might have had a chance. Unfortunately he wants to be 25 forever. It's bittersweet I guess. It's 14 years of your life wrapped up in one person. Forgiving and accepting him for what he was. For me that is what love is. I hope to find that again. Whether or not it is with him remains to be seen. I don't know how you can trust a WS again?

So I'm sad, sad and relieved.

Anyway, just thought I'd let you know. I probably won't see him before he flies out, it's down to the lawyers now.

How are my children doing? Well they knows Daddy's gone but I still think they think it's a trip, WS was very evasive (SURPRISE). The kids probably won't see him until March. I them I know you will miss Daddy but you can call him whenever you want or we can chat on the webcam. But the rest is up to WS. He has a choice: to relegate himself to a distant UNCLE or to stay involved.

Maybe he will come out of he fog. Maybe not. But now it's time for me and the kids.


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Sorry to hear that, you must be in great pain.

Just use his time for you, make yourself the best you can be for you and those precious children.

Hard for me to see men who act like this. I would give anything to have free access to my children.


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Maybe he will come out of he fog. Maybe not. But now it's time for me and the kids.


I understand the pain. In fact everyone on here understands that pain and sadness you are feeling.

What are you doing to take care of yourself today? What can we do for you?

This is one of the hardest things you will ever go through. And I for one am glad I get to share this journey with you and help you not to feel so alone or lost..


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Are you protecting your finances? I'm sure he will be back, but maybe without any money.

Be sure to get a legal arrangement for child support.

I wager that you will see him begging to come back in about 6 weeks.

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How do you know this stuff Believer....


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It is such a sad day when the ACTUALLY leave. I remember it too well. FWH left...twice.

You will get through this. His moving out does NOT mean it is time to send up the white flag though.

How long have you done Plan A? And was it a solid one?

How far away is he moving?

It appears you have not told your children the truth yet? Why not? How old are they? It is critical that children be told the truth. What your husband is doing is WRONG, and your children need to be told that leaving your family is morally unacceptable. You can do this and still give them permission to love their daddy.

Do you have a LSA? Do you have your finances secure?


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Well my husband is moving about 1100 miles away -- overseas. Plan A solid but probably not long enough. Still trying to maintain it. I've got an LSA and the support is good, above average. Finances secure, I've closed of all accounts and cut off the line of credit.

I'm really not sure what to tell a 3 and 5 year old. We have said that Daddy will be leaving, he will be working in the place we used to live. If you have advice for what exactly to say I'll take it. Give me the exact words.

I am doing what I can to take care of myself and have a great support system around me. I am also taking a much needed vacay soon to unwind.

I am doing everything humanly possible not to use the kids to hurt him. I love them far too much to do that. But I must say he doesn't deserve any of the compassion I give him for what he has done and said to me. How will you ever get over all of that?


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UC,

Mimi always tells me that Plan A is about ME. KEEPING the FOCUS on ME. So tell me about the changes you have made for yourself because YOU WANTED to make those changes?


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Exercise, eat better, lose weight
Care more about my appearance, spend more time on ME
Take baths
Journal
Listen to positive music
Surround myself with positive influences
Help others
Be more patient


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My husbandd always complained about the money I spent, but I rarely spent it on myself. Scrimped on my hair etc...

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