When I was 16, I barely escaped sexual assault because I got the heebyjeebies and ran from a scary situation. When I was 20, I was the victim of a date rape. As a young adult, I was acquainted with a young girl who was afraid of her parents and did not tell them she was pregnangt until she gave birth to a baby, put hiim in a plastic bag, and hid him in the garage where he was not found until she nearly died of post-delivery complications. A few years ago, I found out my nephew had been sexually abusing my daughter for several years.

I am SO gonna disagree with you.

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Really? It seems to me that God is all for killing children...the disobediant ones, anyway.

From Deuteronomy:

21:18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them

21:19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;

21:20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.

21:21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

I dunno...maybe killing children is strictly God's juridiction.

Those verses never used the word child/children.

I have never met a child who was a rebellious drunkard. You?

~ Marsh

About McCain - I think it is his personality to be noble, and to accept the responsibility for his affairs. It is right and just that he do so - he betrayed his wife, and he knew that. Still owns it to this day. It would be his personality to own it, according to my H. However, my H also says "he was pretty messed up, man". So, knowing that, I say.....I shall not judge him on that. He stood for this nation, and I know he would defend our nation unto the death. This is a man deserving of my respect for that, and I respect him and thank him for that. Affair notwithstanding, I forgive him for the affair - he sacrificed for me and my nation, I forgive him his transgression in the other regard. It is who I am. Forgive me that.



Regarding the question about being a Christian and abortion:

I agree that a Christian person could not take the stand in favor of abortion. I believe that a Christian person should favor life. I think Christians should support that which their God would support - His creation, His choice to create and give life. Not ours to take away.

However.

There is the separate issue here that not all people are Christian.

Not all people carry this belief.

Christian people would want others to have this belief, given that they burn with the love of God and would want others to have the salvation they believe in, they trust in.

Non-Christians have other belief systems which deserve respect. The disparity being that within these belief systems there is the belief that life does not begin at conception - and that the decision to carry a child to term is less black and white than it is with a Christian person.

The abortion question to me is not "Is abortion right?". I know what I believe, mostly, sorta.

The question that I thnk is really being posed is one that comes down to the imposition of the many different belief systems of those who believe that life begins at certain points (and this seems to vary!) and those who believe it begins at other points- and the right to make the decision to stop the life prior to whichever point they believe in.

The moving target question - when does life REALLY begin...

And the multi-faceted approaches within our society to answering the question. When am I really ending a "life"? When does "life" really start? What do we call a "human life"? The target moves because people just don't agree on it.

But one issue I keep seeing crop up? Christians themselves, who seem to tell me different "points" at which life begins. Depends on who I ask. Publicly, they may say one thing, privately another. The target moves.

And I cannot even single out Christians, really. Other religious people as well have this disparity among themselves. It isn't only Christians. It isn't even atheists, secular progressives, Jews, or apathetics.

Hence, the debate.

It's hard enough for one person to decide, let alone a nation.

Like I said - I know what *I* think, mostly ;-)

Anyway.....this stuff makes me think too hard.

I gotta go back under my rock - except Plank is probably there.

SB

LIFE IS COMPLICATED...

Filled with DECISIONS we never would have thought we would have to make...

And the longer we live..the more we have to face such decisions...

I'm thinking about the "CHRISTIAN" Dr. who tried to convince me to allow my grandmother to starve....not place the FEEDING TUBE... because JESUS fasted and it was OK or WHATEVER and not a "BAD DEATH".. and how her PRIMARY PHYSICIAN who loved her and is from INDIA and not a CHRISTIAN told me how IMMORAL that is and how I couldn't do that to her and he was so RIGHT...Complicated...

I still can BARELY FATHOM my H whom I love so dearly NOW..being with ANOTHER WOMAN...UNBELIEVABLE...

I FEEL your LOVE AND COMPASSION..always have..that's why you seem like a CINDY to me..CINDERS seems like ASHES...

I LOVE YOU, MY SISTER...

But I gotta have MY MAKEUP..and NO JAMMIES...

and your view sickens me. It isn't the right o bear a child that is questioned. It is the right to kill a child that is the issue. Intolerance of horrid behavior is love and compassion. Killing a baby is not.

There is nothing "loving" or "compassionate" or "CHRISTIAN" about slaughtering an innocent baby. Any decent person ***edit*** would be intolerant of such evil. How dare you imply that Jesus Christ would condone such flagrant evil?

disgusted and sickened.....................

exactly on all counts Mel.

RE McCain:

Video of McCain attacking the head of the National Alliance of POW/MIA

McCain's involvement w/ the 1992 Senate Select Committee on POW/MIAs

~ Marsh

many feel and the facts have supported them that the pow/mia thing was mostly a hoax. McCain would know better than most.

Hoax?

That's not what Bob Smith said at the end of this video----> John McCain in "Missing, Presumed Dead"

The beginning repeats some of what was in the other tape.

~ Marsh

Then you may call me Rella

HI Schoolbus, will you please help me on my post on the recovery board pleaseeee. I hope you are doing well. Thank you so much.

Sorry for the t/j.

The Last Lecture

Would Jesus Wear a Rolex?

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!