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************edit******** Mel, it shocks me the way some of the people on this board think and speak! It is an outrage. And yes, the fine people in the parish across the river from New Orleans DID stop the folks from walking across the bridge with guns. And Yes, there was SOME shooting at helicopters. But not by people being rescued. But by people who were stealing and looting generally. ***********edit************* LG PS: Mel, just so I am clear about your reference to Nathan Bedford Forrest as a distant relative? Since he is was the first grand wizard of the KKK, I hope it is in shame that you cite that reference. It wasn't clear to me from your post. And I simply want to sure, we all have things in the woodpile of our histories to be disappointed about. Can't change it. It's just there. Who is trying to run anyone off LG? I haven't asked anyone to leave.
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Mimi..every person involved in a police shooting claims it isn't justified. Rarely is that the case. Hopefully they get to the bottom of this.
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LG, with all due respect, it is an outrage and an idiocy to compare rescuers and law enforcement officials during Katrina to RACISTS who were hosing down and lynching blacks. What a hateful, mean - and false - comparison. Such a ridiculous comparison only hurts the posters credibility.
And of course it is in shame that I cite my ancestral connection to the Klan and the democrats. It is with great shame and disgust, but it is not something that I have to lie about.
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But what does this have to do with lynching blacks in the south? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
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The analogy is WHITE policemen, BLACK residents on the bridge...like the riots during the Civil Rights era...
I get scared about MY SONS being SHOT by mistake by POLICEMEN...mistaken identity or whatever...
Both of them have been pulled over FOR NO GOOD REASON...same with my husband...
I don't know...shiny, nice cars..does that make them DRUG DEALERS...
That type of stuff is the reason for my son talking about looking to Obama for HOPE...
Sadly, there continues to be major problems that we can't deny as Jayne is speaking about...
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But thankfully, there is MUCH GOOD in the world..LIKE THIS FORUM...
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Mimi, I gotcha. I can't deny there are problems in Louisiana. It is the most racist state I have ever been to in my life. It has been in firm democrat control for 150 years and not much has changed there since the 50's. If I were you, I would not allow my sons to set foot in that state.
How do you think Obama can resolve institutional racism in that state since if is his party that perpetuated it all these years?
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Well Mimi...again...everybody says no good reason to be pulled over...but again, that is rarely the case. But it is the cry of the black community frequently...even when they are up to no good or commit a traffic offense people will say there was no reason to pull me over.
I worked in a city that was 50% black...my district was probably 90% black...people get pulled over everyday even when they think they did nothing wrong. I have been pulled over even when I "knew" I was right...but the cop knew I violated some traffic law.
It sounds to me that you are teaching your kids to play the "victim" card. Black cops get accused of this stuff to. You know what it is Mimi...and I am talking about the norm....not outlying cases...it is good police work. People in the VAST majority of cases do not get pulled over for driving shiny cars...that is a cry of a "victim."
You better hope that the rest of America doesn't take the racist tact that you are or the country will never elect a black. Only 12% of our country is AA...so there must be a whole lot of people out there willing to put race aside...I mean a whole lot of white people (since blacks are voting for BO at a rate of about 90%).
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It sounds to me that you are teaching your kids to play the "victim" card. You are making assumptions about me, MEDC. You have NO WAY of knowing how we are raising our kids. I did not go into details about the incidents. There are instances where my sons have been pulled over FOR GOOD REASON and have definitely SUFFERED the consequences so again this is a very TENDER SUBJECT... Again there definitely have been incidents when they have been pulled over for ABSOLUTELY NO GOOD REASON... I know THEM that well. I KNOW when they are LYING to me and when they ARE NOT..and they call on me when they are HURTING..and I can sense when they are PLAYING ME.. This is RAW, RAW stuff..talk about my PARENTING..talk about how THEY have been ACTUAL VICTIMS of RACISM..talk about how I have ACTUALLY been a VICTIM of RACISM..not necessary on this forum..too VULNERABLE for continued WOUNDING about this stuff... I don't think you are racist but you do make JUDGMENTS without knowing the FACTS and that I consider to be DISRESPECTFUL.. And I am most definitely NOT a RACIST... That should be CLEAR..sorry if it isn't clear to you...
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Again there definitely have been incidents when they have been pulled over for ABSOLUTELY NO GOOD REASON... Mimi, as a mother of a 25 year boy, I hear your pain. I REALLY DO. But let me tell you that my son, a blonde haired, blue eyed, white boy, complains constantly about being pulled over and "harassed" by the cops. I believe it is because these young men are often up to no good and the POLICE KNOW THAT. Outside of that, I am not doubting your experiences with racism, but being pulled over alot by cops is a common problem with young men of all races.
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Outside of that, I am not doubting your experiences with racism, but being pulled over alot by cops is a common problem with young men of all races. THANKS! That's GOOD to know. I need to make sure they know it's not about RACISM. It's THEIR assumption and I ALMOST ALWAYS think that they are REALLY up to no good...' Their major problem is being out at 3 AM..nothing GOOD is out at that time of night most of the time...
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Their major problem is being out at 3 AM..nothing GOOD is out at that time of night most of the time... AGREE!! A young guy out at that time is a COP MAGNET and is just asking for it!
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You're absolutely right, Mel... I've been concerned about the other times... I understand when they're with a carload of friends in the wee hours of the morning...and don't put up with their bickering about that... Mel, I learn a lot from you..I appreciate your sharing about your son being pulled over, too... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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And I am most definitely NOT a RACIST... Mimi & I adore each other .... It does not matter to Mimi that I am green & live in a swamp! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Outside of that, I am not doubting your experiences with racism, but being pulled over alot by cops is a common problem with young men of all races. THANKS! That's GOOD to know. I need to make sure they know it's not about RACISM. It's THEIR assumption and I ALMOST ALWAYS think that they are REALLY up to no good...' Their major problem is being out at 3 AM..nothing GOOD is out at that time of night most of the time... We have dealt with it ourselves--MANY TIMES. My son is 19--of Canadian/Italian heritage. He gets pulled over on the average of once per week. We have coached him many times to stay calm, be polite and respectful, etc. He usually has a backpack with him and the police officer always asks if he can search the bag. My son travels (about 60 miles) in and out of Boston a few times a week and he is usually on the highway after midnight. He plays in a band. He often travels with other boys. Last week one of the boys flipped a cigarette out of the window from the back seat at 2 AM on the highway, just as my son was passing a cruiser. The police pulled him over and said they had to search the car for marijuana. The kids were sitting on the side of Route 2 for 1/2 hour in the freezing cold. In a way, I empathize with these policemen. The have watched EMTs scape enough kids off the roads and highway. It must do something to you after awhile. The car my son drives in registered to my H and myself. I keep the registration in a sealed envelope with a note for the police officer written across the back right over the seal. The note includes home/work/cell phone numbers for emergency. If the envelop is ripped open, I know my son has been pulled over.
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WOW, Pieta...
Such HELPFUL INFO....
We are NOT ALONE...all one people..dealing with the ISSUES of LIVING LIFE...
THANKS SO MUCH FOR SHARING THIS!!
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I am sorry that some people thought it "mean-spirited" to point out that racism still exists. Turning a blind eye, blaming the victims and minimizing incidents that include a mentally handicapped man being shot seven times IN THE BACK, saying "but those sorts of things don't happen any more!" may make you feel good but it will only allow racism to continue. an excerpt from After The Flood tells an account by some including paramedics: To find out more about the bridge Denise talked about in act one and the armed police who prevented pedestrians from crossing, This American Life producer Alex Blumberg talks with Lorrie Beth Slonsky and her husband Larry Bradshaw. They're paramedics from San Francisco who were visiting New Orleans for a convention when Hurricane Katrina hit. After the storm, they tried to escape the city in a number of ways. When they tried to leave the city on foot, they were told, at gunpoint, by police, that they must turn back. We also hear from Debbie Zelinsky, who was with them. (17 minutes) and from Two Americas, One BridgeThe Los Angeles Times describes three of the undesirables kept out of the city:
Among the people trapped in the city were Sandra's son and her ex-husband, Otis, 61, a diabetic who has used a wheelchair since his leg was amputated.
Otis had gone without dialysis for five days when their sons, Otis Jr., 35, and Orrin, 34, decided to push his wheelchair down the highway in search of help. They ended up walking miles.
They were near safety that Wednesday after the hurricane -- most of the way across the Crescent City Bridge into Gretna, La. -- when an armed officer told them to turn back because Gretna officials were concerned about looting.
By the time they made it out of New Orleans, hitching a ride on a truck, the younger men's feet were bloody and covered with rashes. Otis Sr. had fallen out of his wheelchair three times while they were walking and had open wounds on his head. He was nearly in a coma. I didn't compare this to lynching. Don't twist my words in an attempt to villainize me. I was addressing exactly the quote I quoted: But MY 15 year old is AMAZED and ASHAMED that only 40 years ago police dogs were released on people who just wanted to cross a bridge. I was particularly struck by the reference to wanting to cross a bridge. That was why I commented. LG, with all due respect, it is an outrage and an idiocy to compare rescuers and law enforcement officials during Katrina to RACISTS who were hosing down and lynching blacks. What a hateful, mean - and false - comparison. Such a ridiculous comparison only hurts the posters credibility. At least I don't twist poster's words. You show me where I compared anything to hosing down and lynching blacks. Your attack is just hateful, mean - and false. (And, un-credible!)"That which maketh a man to be desired is his kindness; And a poor man is better than a liar." -Proverbs 19:22 "Rob not the poor, because he is poor; Neither oppress the afflicted in the gate: for Jehovah will plead their cause, And despoil of life those that despoil them." -Proverbs 22:22-23
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I didn't compare this to lynching. Don't twist my words in an attempt to villainize me. I was addressing exactly the quote I quoted:
I was particularly struck by the reference to wanting to cross a bridge. That was why I commented. Jayne, while I think your analogy was grossly exaggerated, I have to admit that Louisiana has a very long way to go in their treatment of blacks. I give the democrats credit for coming as far as they have nationally, but in Louisiana they have a very long way to go unfortunately.
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What analogy? I referred to some media reports. They stand on their own merit, they were not meant to be analogous to something else.
I do agree with your second point though - there is still a long way to go. That was my point.
It is just my opinion that a sense of complacency is harmful, seeing that there is still a long way to go. That is why I felt the need to comment.
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