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Did you ever have an emotional or physical relationship with another person outside of your marriage?

If not, then you have not comitted adultery in the common sense definition of the term.

If she feels you have comitted adultery, then she should at least be able and willing to SPECIFICALLY explain what she means. Of course, you never should have agreed with a term you did not understand.

You know. I'm a pastor's daughter and I thought I'd heard everything by now. I was wrong. What kind of church is this?

Legally adultery is sexual relations with someone outside of the marriage.

Hopefully some of our Bible scholars will be along to help you out further.

Yes, you need another counsellor and/or pastor. Not because of his definition of adultery (who cares) but because he has this backwards. Read the concepts on this site and you will see why.

Try counseling with the Harleys. They know what it takes to build a great marriage and it is NOT by blaming your partner for everything that is not right in your M. Counseling is done on the phone and they specialise in building strong marriages which is what everyone needs.

Hi mykidsdad-

I just have to pipe in here. I've never heard such a convoluted argument based on ridiculous suppositions before-and here's why:

Hebrew isn't English.

In Old Hebrew the word for adultery meant sexual sin between a man and woman.

The word adulterate meant to mix or add to. It referred to adding a root of some kind to something. It was used in implication (context of the sentence) to mean impure.

Even with this brief history of words aside (I teach English, so I do love words...) usage shows they don't mean the same thing or they would be synonyms. Let's see if it works.

"Do not commit adultery."

"Do not commit adulterate."

Nope-sounds stupid. That's because in English adultery is a noun. It needs a verb to make clear. And I think God was clear when He said it in the 10 commandments.

Adulterate is a verb. It is an action. You can't add another verb to it or it sounds stupid. Like the argument.

Hope this helps.

Mykids,

Did the MC agree with this "pastor"?

I also wonder to what church you belong where the pastor is throwing out these half baked mini-sermons.

My first thought was your wife and the "pastor" were in cahoots and my second thought was did the pastor then try an exorcism on you to drive out the devil.

Sounds very wacky to me. Something much more than getting you to admit to "adultery" was happening, don't ya think?

kirk

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Bovine scatology is the only thing that comes to mind after reading that strange definition of adultery. For what it’s worth, the definition of the modern-day term ‘adulterate’ is exactly what was given to you, but there’s no biblical meaning attached. I did a search for ‘adulterate’ at a number of Bible sites and that term was apparently never used in any version of the Bible. Similarly, there are no passages in the Bible that I could find at any site where the words ‘anger’ plus ‘wife’ or ‘husband’ are used in conjunction with each other and related to adultery.

In fact, isn’t the Bible pretty specific about what is meant by “adultery?” And isn’t that definition for a man or woman to “lie with” another who is not his/her spouse? Getting angry with one’s spouse, or being greedy, or whatever else you were told doesn’t have a thing to do with it.

I'll be frank. I think someone is running a scam on you, MKD, attempting to manipulate you into something you wouldn't ordinarily do. I'm just not sure who all the players are. What all do you know about this counselor who ambushed you anyway? This just isn’t passing the smell test.

It sounds to me like someone is trying to set you up to take the fall for their wrong actions and choices.

Just a thought...

If your pastor is going along with this, run as far away from that church as you can get. Find a real church where the Word of God is what matters and not some lame brained excuse for pursuing something that is clearly not right.

And FWIW, I'd check into my wife's activities with this counselor...

Mark

Mykidsdad,

Here is a definintion of adultery that I got directly from a Catholic priest.

He told me this and I quote:

"'Adultery' has both a narrow meaning and a broad meaning. In the narrow meaning, in means any sexual activity between two people who are not married to each other and at least one of whom is married to someone else. Sexual activity means anything that involves intentional sexual stimulation, not just intercourse.

In a broad sense, adultery means unfaithfulness, sexual or not. It could mean a romantic relationship or time-consuming friendship, workaholism, neglect, lying to one's spouse about anything or fantasizing about being involved with someone other that one's spouse. If a woman did something she didn't want her spouse to know about, or that would hurt him if he knew about it, it would probably qualify as adultery."

It sounds like this is what the Christian counselor is also saying.

LC