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#2054255 05/08/08 10:55 AM
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I don't know if this has been discussed here before, but how much adultery do you think happens where the BS never finds out? As many as get caught or confess, wouldn't there most likely be the same amount never getting caught or confessing?

I don't think I would have been caught. I already had ended it, but a few months later I broke down and confessed to my wife. It was a selfish confession, I couldn't take the stress of knowing what I did and trying to hide it any further, it was like that EA Poe short story about the beating heart.

I found out by accident about my wife's affair. I doubt I would have ever known if it hadn't been for a little email slip up.

So when I think about my marriage(pre-affair and post) and how we were both at the time pretty much caught up in our own little worlds(not affairs, but just day to day work, life etc) and started taking each other for granted maybe we don't see what's going on or refuse to see. Even though all the pain, I'm glad in our case we both know, because no matter how rough it has been at times over the last few years, we really are more in tune and act more like we're actually married and not just roommates present day. If we'd both had "successfully" hid our infidelities from each other, we'd probably still be together but I doubt we would have started working on ourselves and our marriage and would be worse off than ever with a huge terrible secret eating at us all the time, preventing us from moving forward.

I guess some WS may be able to "self-reform" themselves and become a good spouse on their own w/o their BS ever knowing why. Maybe finding their BS even rejoicing in the newfound "improvement" they start noticing in their mate.

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I guess some WS may be able to "self-reform" themselves and become a good spouse on their own w/o their BS ever knowing why. Maybe finding their BS even rejoicing in the newfound "improvement" they start noticing in their mate.

Thats not how it works out, though, because true intimacy is based on honesty and respect. A marriage based on lies and disrespect can't be truly intimate. It is a sham. That act of dishonesty reflects gross disrespect to the other partner that is bound to come out in other ways. That secret will always create a wall between them and make the foundation of the marriage an ILLUSION.

Adutlery is the reflection of other problems in the marriage and those problems cannot resolved unless there is honesty.

My marriage today is a GREAT marriage, not because of my H's affair, but in spite of it. It is a great marriage because of the things we learned at Marriage Builders.


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Dr. Harley on honesty:

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Should an affair be revealed?

I have been letting you in on some clues to infidelity when a spouse is unwilling to be truthful. But there are a few, of course, who are honest enough to tell their spouses about an affair without being confronted. Guilt sometimes sets in right after the first sexual encounter, and it continues to build as one lie is added to another. Depression follows guilt and it's not unusual for a wayward spouse to even consider suicide as a way to escape the nightmare he or she has created. As an act of desperation, honesty is sometimes seized as a last resort, often in an effort to relieve the feelings of guilt.

From my perspective, honesty is part of the solution to infidelity, and so I'll take honesty for whatever reason, even if it's to relieve a feeling of guilt and depression. The revelation of an affair is very hard on an unsuspecting spouse, of course, but at the same time, it's the first step toward marital reconciliation.

Most unfaithful spouses know that their affair is one of the most heartless acts they could ever inflict on their spouse. So one of their reasons to be dishonest is to protect their spouse from emotional pain. "Why add insult to injury," they reason. "What I did was wrong, but why put my spouse through needless pain by revealing this thoughtless act?" As is the case with bank robbers and murderers, unfaithful spouses don't think they will ever be discovered, and so they don't expect their unfaithfulness to hurt their spouse.

But I am one of the very few that advocate the revelation of affairs at all costs, even when the wayward spouse has no feelings of guilt or depression to overcome. I believe that honesty is so essential to the success of marriage, that hiding past infidelity makes a marriage dishonest, preventing emotional closeness and intimacy.

It isn't honesty that causes the pain, it's the affair. Honesty is simply revealing truth to the victim. Those who advocate dishonesty regarding infidelity assume that the truth will cause such irreparable harm, that it's in the best interest of a victimized spouse to go through life with the illusion of fidelity.

It's patronizing to think that a spouse cannot bear to hear the truth. Anyone who assumes that their spouse cannot handle truth is being incredibly disrespectful, manipulative and in the final analysis, dangerous. How little you must think of your spouse when you try to protect him or her from the truth.

It's not only patronizing, but it's also false to assume that your spouse cannot bear to hear the truth. Illusions do not make us happy, they cause us to wander through life, bumping into barriers that are invisible to us because of the illusion that is created. Truth, on the other hand, reveals those barriers, and sheds light on them so that we can see well enough to overcome them. The unsuspecting spouse of an unfaithful husband or wife wonders why their marriage is not more fulfilling and more intimate. Knowledge of an affair would make it clear why all efforts have failed.

After revealing an affair, your spouse will no longer trust you. But lack of trust does not ruin a marriage, it's the lack of care and protection that ruins marriages. Your spouse should not trust you, and the sooner your spouse realizes it, the better.

The Policy of Radical Honesty is one of two rules you must follow to protect your spouse from your self-centered behavior, which includes affairs. The other rule is the Policy of Joint Agreement (never do anything without an enthusiastic agreement between you and your spouse). If you were to be completely honest with you spouse, and you were to follow the Policy of Joint Agreement, an affair would be impossible, unless for some reason your spouse wanted you to have one.

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In my M, I had not been happy for many years. It seemed I worked my tail off trying to keep our home together, raise the kids and make H happy even tho complaining was his best habit. I turned my energies to helping people in the community and volunteering in several groups, besides working fulltime and making sure my family was fed and clothed and I had purpose in my life. I always looked to the positive that given time..we would have all the kids out and then be able to see over the debt issues and then we'd be able to work on US.

But last July H began acting strange. This was after DD graduated high school and I attributed this to MLC because as well as her graduation, one of his childhood friends was killed and it hit H very hard. He began to withdraw and I questioned him but he said "nothing was wrong". Then in Sept. he dropped the bombshell that he doesn't love me anymore and doesn't want to be married anymore. Right outta the blue!! He lived at his father's for 2 weeks but still wasn't communicating so I convinced him to come home to "work on things". I know you all see the pattern and instantly say..AFFAIR, but I didn't have this info yet. H came home in Oct. we had romantic trip to Maine, and he put on a good act but still wasn't quite himself. I began poking thru his things and besides finding receipts the day before Christmas for gifts that I did not receive, I also found a bottle of KY in his guitar case. BINGO! Instant devastation. I didn't have any sign outside of his cold eyes and withdrawn personality. In the end he admitted to having (2) one night stands with OW he arranged to meet from an online sex site, and then #3 became an EA/PA that lasted almost a year. He admits that this A would've been still going on if I had not discovered it. He had it made. She took care of conversation and sex, and I took care of his basal needs of food and clean clothes. He claims the cold eyes were from the inability of leading 2 lives, but I wonder too how far this would've persisted if I had not found those receipts??? He managed to keep her hanging on with promises but wouldn't make the commitment to leave me, and he was able to keep me happy with his lies here too. For us, it was D-Day and the reality that I would not "share" that brought him around.

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Thats not how it works out, though, because true intimacy is based on honesty and respect. A marriage based on lies and disrespect can't be truly intimate. It is a sham. That act of dishonesty reflects gross disrespect to the other partner that is bound to come out in other ways. That secret will always create a wall between them and make the foundation of the marriage an ILLUSION.

Adutlery is the reflection of other problems in the marriage and those problems cannot resolved unless there is honesty.

My marriage today is a GREAT marriage, not because of my H's affair, but in spite of it. It is a great marriage because of the things we learned at Marriage Builders.


Oh I agree completely. I was just wondering about the numbers out there. Probably for every one BS or WS that finds their way to this website for help, there are most likely hundreds if not thousands that don't and for every one of them, wonder how many people out there are in the dark about their spouse's infidelity. Sure they are living a sham(The FWS keeping the secret, not the unknowing BS)

I guess in a way, people here on these forums are lucky in a way that is very hard to see at times. I couldn't imagine a deathbed admission decades after the fact

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My FWH planned a deathbed confession. Wouldn't that have been peachy? "Thanks for the marriage and the kids. By the way, I was having affairs the whole time. Just thought you should know. You might want to get checked out for STDs. Bye.'

Sheesh.

Actually, I think a lot - perhaps most - affairs don't get admitted, and the marriage plods on. I've come to suspect that a lot of my 'happily married' friends really don't want to look too hard at what their husbands are up to. But sometimes when the guard is down, they hint at their doubts, and at the fact that it's best they don't ask too many questions.

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I think MOST affairs don't get exposed just kind of peter out.

Also I read on the other board and there are a number where the cheaters get divorced from their spouses, and then pretend to meet each other and have a relationship. The spouses sometimes never find out the real reason their marriage ended.


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