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SF was/is a primary EN of my H's which I had neglected, which was the initial impetus for his A....
 I do not feel there's anyway that  we would be in MARITAL RECOVERY if I had not had SF with him during PLAN A...NO WAY...it really, really hurt him that I REJECTED him so often for many years..
 
 I'm not advocating this for anyone else.
 
 But, I do wonder how you are recommending for this issue to be handled if PLAN A involves meeting your WS' PRIMARY ENs...
 
 I made it happen..a joyful life..filled with peace, contentment, happiness and fabulocity.
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It is a major hole in plan A.  It fails to take into account a BS safety when it comes to SF.  Anyone that has sex with a WS is playing Russian Roulette and is nothing more than flat out lucky to come out of the situation alive and well.  
 SF as far as an EN cannot be safely met with a WS.  It just can't happen and any suggestion that a BS should sleep with their WS even at the risk of their life (and I know you are not suggesting this for anyone else, only merely again, pointing out what worked so well for you) is simply wrong.  Any WS that would put his spouses health at risk by doing so may not be worth getting back in the first place.
 
 STD's kill people....they make BS, dead spouses.
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What if you felt like you weren't living anyway without your spouse?
 What if you didn't want to live a life without your spouse?
 
 Certain death or a RISK of death?
 
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 What if you felt like you weren't living anyway without your spouse?
 What if you didn't want to live a life without your spouse?
 
 Certain death or a RISK of death?
If that is how someone felt, I would suggest they see a psychologist to help them deal with a very big issue that is impacting their life. 
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does this post have to turn in to a debate...
 does it really?
 
 when in plan A keep emotions in check as much as possible...
 
 WS will use emotions like a weapon...
 
 see you are too angry
 too upset
 too emotional...
 
 it solidifies their thought that things are too far gone to get better  we should just break up there's too much damage..
 
 or they use it as fodder with the op..
 my spouse is crazy
 my spouse is too depressed
 my spouse is too emotional
 
 ark
 
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I recommend that a person definitely see a psychologist during PLAN A..which I did. 
 I had been with my H since the age of 18, had never been with another man. I did not want to live.
 
 I personally feel strongly about this issue so won't continue to TAINT this WONDERFUL thread.
 
 But I do want to add that, most importantly, I HAD FAITH that the LORD would take care of me. HE was MY SALVATION. I trusted in the LORD with all my heart...
 
 I turned to HIM in the midnight hours and I recommend that more importantly than seeing a psychologist....
 
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Plan A will not convince the WS to end the affair.  Expect the WS to reciprocate....nothing. 
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act in ways the WS does not expect...
 it get their attention...
 and plants doubt...
 
 ALSO
 
 men who are BS be very very very wary of being set up for restraining orders...
 
 never ever lose control so that they can try to do this to you...
 it's awful
 
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ha ha ha..I found the search button..AND
 my eight year old didn't have to help me...
 
 ha ha ha..
 
 bumping up this one...
 
 ark
 
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* Plan A does not mean protecting the Wayward from the consequences of their choices.Ding ding ding and why exposure is key during plan A. 
 Faith
 
 me: FWW/BS 52 H: FWH/BS 49
 DS 30
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me - 47    H - 39      married 2001 DS 8a   DS 8b :crosseyedcrazy: (Why is DS7b now a blockhead???) (Ack!  Now he's not even a blockhead, just a word!  That's no fun!)
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 BH, 46
 STBXWW, 41, Serial Cheater
 D-Day #1 5-26-2006 (Our Wedding Aniversary)
 D-Day #2 12-26-2007
 D-Day #3 5-11-2008
 Separated 1-5-2008
 STBX filed for divorce March 2009
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I am trying to hold on to plan A and sometimes its tooo difficult Plan A does not include begging, sniveling, whining and continued confrontations. It does include (although you may be crumbling inside) a strong show of confidence in the future of the marriage, and a series of actions that prove the confidence is for real.This part hit home for me in terms of trying to show a stong confidence even though I am crumbling inside. Trying to maintain my actions that prove and help build confidence is very difficult to stay with and seeing this in print is reinformenet that I need to keep at it . Its a constant struggle to stay motivated to keep working and not allow the crumbling feeling to weaken your knees and fall on the floor. 
 FBW(me)- 45
 FWH- 53
 D-day 4/29/08
 Moving forward pursuing happiness & a loving Marriage with DH.
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