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Yes I may do that but have not decided to do anything with it at this time. Need time to think about what I want to do with my life once I rediscover who I am.

Thank you for confirming my perceptions. One last one...so you're keeping your options open in regards to swinging by not removing yourself completely from the swingers website. You may remove yourself from there sometime in the future when you rediscover who you are, or you may unhide it and continue the lifestyle, is that correct?

I really go for clarity because I was an assumption machine for most of my life, Bunny. I sincerely appreciate your confirmations or clarifications.

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One last one...so you're keeping your options open in regards to swinging by not removing yourself completely from the swingers website. You may remove yourself from there sometime in the future when you rediscover who you are, or you may unhide it and continue the lifestyle, is that correct?


I am keeping my options open yes I guess if that is how you want to put it. I just had not had a chance to think about what I wanted to do with it and it has been the least of my worries.

Although I just found out that he is still watching me on the website and keeping track of how long I am on and how often I go on. Which from what he is saying I am on every day when I am not and said I am on for hours at a time when I am on. Which is also not the case. I go on to see if my girl friend has emailed me then get off again.

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I am keeping my options open yes I guess if that is how you want to put it. I just had not had a chance to think about what I wanted to do with it and it has been the least of my worries.

Honestly, I don't do the "if that is how you want to put it." It's passive-aggressive. Communication isn't you stating, and then me replying...it's striving first to understand, then be understood. I'm not trying to put your stuff into my context.

True communication can take multiple confirmations and clarifications...after awhile, it gets quicker between two people because we believe in one another's stated intention 'cuz we've seen it in action. We don't get to skip to after awhile to get there. Gotta through it.

Part of rediscovering who you are is defining who you are...which is why this being the least of your worries may hinder your personal recovery from your marriage.

I'm not assuming you want to keep your options open or not...I'm asking for your consideration of choices you're making and not making (have equal weight) right now. You can rediscover you are a whole, complete, marvelously made from love human being...and if you do not define, protect and enforce your boundaries about your actions/inactions, you will find yourself back right where you are today. With pain to the fourth power (that's not really my math...I just know each trip around doubles or triples the pain IME).

You matter. You are equal to everyone on the planet..and you'll rediscover this...awareness of what you're choosing or not, is self-honesty, part of inventory and commitment to self...which you say you did not hold yourself to and put your marriage ahead of yourself.

My desire is to offer you tools I've used in my personal recovery...you do not have to take or use them...which is why I do thank you for your consideration. You can choose to not consider at all.

Which is what I hear you saying about remaining a hidden member of the swingers site. When we change our beliefs, we change our lives...unless we really didn't...and we can think we did...however by not changing our actions, then the old beliefs come back. I perceived that's not what you wanted.

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She is not experiencing this truth in her life.

What are you meaning by this?

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Honestly, bunny, why don't you just go your own separate ways? You two are toxic for each other.

I couldn't agree more, Cat. After following both situations it is obvious to me that both parties have not said "NO, FOREVER" to the swinging lifestyle. I think both of them want to play by their own rules.

Just the fact they keep contact with friends through a forum like that shows they are NOT against the swinging.

Swinging is not at all compatible with this marriage, or any future marriage they may consider. All this "finding out the emotional needs" is just a waste when this HUGE elephant remains in the living room.

If both of them realize the true nature of their hobby (vile and disgusting and self-defeating) then and only then will they have a chance at a true relationship with anyone.

As it stands, the drama is fueling them both.

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Cleaning off her windows every time and clearing a path for the dogs so when she got up she didn't have to worry about that.


This was something I told him many times that I did not need and did not see as an act of service or appreciation.

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Calling her every morning before she left for work to say good morning and calling her everyday on lunch to say hello, see how her day was going and to ask what she wanted for dinner.

How my day was going really did not matter. When he would ask I would tell him but then it would always shift to his day or something that was going on at his work. Or how he was feeling. I felt as if I was only asked because he felt he had to and not really to listen to me.

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Most every day I did the cooking.

I feel this was 50/50 as we both did cooking. Then with me doing all the cleaning up.

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I met her one time for a lunch time quickie and everyone was envious of her.

What is left out here is that there were lots of other times when he was off work that I asked him to come take me to lunch and he would not because he could not pull himself away from the computer. Again it was done when he wanted to do it and not when it would have meant the most to me.

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I watched her favorite TV shows, sometimes when I would rather be watching something else.

My favorite tv shows were only watched with me in the beginning of our relationship. As soon as the lifestyle came along this no longer happened. A prime example would be that thursday night when survivor was on was supposed to be our night but he would miss half or most of it because of being on the computer. Another example would be me asking him to get off the computer to watch a movie with me but would be told if we arent going to watch football then he had to watch his players on the computer for his fantasy football. So the lifestyle was not the only thing I played second fiddle to. It was also the fantasy football.

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She asked me to dance with her more and I did.

I also heard more times then not that his legs hurt so he would want to leave the dance floor but then as soon as someone else asked him to dance he had no problem with it and even danced several songs with them.

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I would make breakfast on the weekends.

On kid weekends he did cook breakfast. Again we had to wait tell he was ready to cook it because he was on the computer and was not hungery yet.

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RC - Recreational Companionship...yes, doing recreational activities together. Dates...experiencing new together in recreational ways...being playmates and teammates...the act of doing this expresses and reminds we are allies, we are in this together. I wondered how much of this expression was lost in the lifestyle? How this bonding is already available to everyone, without adding others into your marriage, and when we don't do it, we cut off healthy experiences through unhealthy ones?


This is something that was only done when he wanted to after the lifestyle came along. If I would make a suggestion for something I wanted to do and he did not then he would withhold tell I gave in. Then 6 months later would do what I wanted to do and expect me to show appreciation for it. And then when we were out as a couple it was constant looking at other people and pointing out how hot someone was. This even happened on our anniversary.

He would also give other people in the lifestyle the affection and flirting I should have been getting and was not. When I would ask about it I was told it was because I was not sexy enough or did this wrong so I would try to improve on those things with it never being good enough.

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I should state however I have not been sexually involved, emotionally involved or anything close to it with anyone else since before I knew she filed nor have I met any swingers (past friends included).

This statement to me is saying that I am doing things in the lifestyle when again I am not. I am tired of these statements being made because he does not know what I am doing and he can not stand not having the control he had before.

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At this point it's a little scary though. She didn't answer my email or text yesterday in regards to me orddering a book she wanted me to read so I don't know if shes blocked me or just not saying anything back. Kind of a rough day today because of that and her birthday is wed. (a NC day).

I did not answer the emails or text because I knew it would not stop there as it never does. It is constant once he gets me drawn in and then it does not stop. He asks a question. I answer it and then it is on to more questions.

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I have asked though if I can take her out to a relaxed, no talk about stuff, dinner.

I will not do the dinner out as I have been told before that we would go have a fun day out without talking about things and then it turns into talking about things. Therefore I do not believe that it would not be brought up and that he will want to talk about it.

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