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Actually yes, this Shabbat I am making a brisket with potatoes, carrots, and celery along with baking a challah and having a shabbat dinner instead of going to an AA meeting. I have the best recipe, but needs lots of WINE. I might improvise on that one.  At least I hope so to the cooking of dinner that is. The WINE, non issue, right Mimi?
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Folks are completely free to quote scripture whereever and whenever they chose, there is nothing wrong with that. Christians are just as free to discuss their religion here as anyone else. I do agree with MEDC that forgiveness is not something that is exclusive to Christians though. Quoting scripture is one thing. Using scripture to advise someone who doesn't share the same beliefs is pointless. In your opinion. Some others might not share that opinion.
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“It is not fitting, when one is in God's service, to have a gloomy face or a chilling look.” “Preach the Gospel at all times and when necessary use words.” “While you are proclaiming peace with your lips, be careful to have it even more fully in your heart.” Three of my favorite quotes from Francis of Assisi
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Oh, NO Melody, not what I meant at all. I was simply trying to say that I accept others beliefs, others choices in religious faith, and hope they accept mine as well.
NO NO NO NO NO. I have great respect for you all here, and respect your faith. I envy it sometimes. Like I said, this is all fresh for me, since starting AlAnon.
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Quoting scripture is one thing. Using scripture to advise someone who doesn't share the same beliefs is pointless. I agree!
I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. - Robert McCloskey
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“It is not fitting, when one is in God's service, to have a gloomy face or a chilling look.” How bout this look? 
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Careful, medc! I may not be able 2 recognize you next time you post!  I'm an atheologist, and I really like people like Saint Francis. -ol' 2long
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Actually yes, this Shabbat I am making a brisket with potatoes, carrots, and celery along with baking a challah and having a shabbat dinner instead of going to an AA meeting. I have the best recipe, but needs lots of WINE. I might improvise on that one. At least I hope so to the cooking of dinner that is. The WINE, non issue, right Mimi? That sounds great!! I so need to get a job I do not work evenings so I can start cooking again.
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Thanks Mel. I understand where you ar coming from but do not believe that Sl meant it the way it sounds.
To me...and this is solely the way I feel based on what I have learned is that the basis for faith is that
I was created in the image of God and that God sees my heart and how I am using the gifts He has given me...how I love, honor and respect those gifts is a reflection of my love and devotion to Him.
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Thanks Mel. I understand where you ar coming from but do not believe that Sl meant it the way it sounds.
To me...and this is solely the way I feel based on what I have learned is that the basis for faith is that
I was created in the image of God and that God sees my heart and how I am using the gifts He has given me...how I love, honor and respect those gifts is a reflection of my love and devotion to Him. That is well said Medc
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Oh goodness...I go talk on the phone and when I come back this thread is rockin'!
Melody, I did not mean to imply that any ONE religion is wrong or that any religious person should deny what they believe. Matter of fact, I'm a student of all religions...I enjoy studying them and the people that believe them. I feel that I can really find out more about how a person ticks if I know about their deeply held religious beliefs. If my post came across as saying that anyone should deny what they believe, I do apologize. Blah, I try to write in the gentlest way possible and sometimes it's just better for me to spit it out.
You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist. ~ Friedrich Nietzsche
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Thanks Mel. I understand where you ar coming from but do not believe that Sl meant it the way it sounds. I just reread it and I think what she was trying to say is that she disagrees with the notion that ONLY Christian MARRIAGES can be saved? And to believe that only Christian MARRIAGES can be saved is "shortsighted?" Is that what you meant, SL??
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It's not about Christians (or any other religions) being right or wrong. It's that each believes that its own belief system is right. Telling someone that they are d****d to h311 because they don't believe what you believe is, well, cruel. That doesn't make a lick of sense, TAbby. First off, if you don't believe Christianity, then you wouldn't believe you were damned to he11. So you are objecting to something to which you have already claimed you don't believe. That is irrational. I don't believe in Islam and they believe non-believers are damned to he11, but why in the world would I care since I don't believe it?  Secondly, heaven would be he11 if God dragged people into heaven AGAINST THEIR WILL. Nor does God damn anyone to he11; everyone has the choice to go or not. The bottom line is that it is ridiculous to object to something about which you claim to NOT BELIEVE in the first place.
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It's not about Christians (or any other religions) being right or wrong. It's that each believes that its own belief system is right. Telling someone that they are d****d to h311 because they don't believe what you believe is, well, cruel. That doesn't make a lick of sense, TAbby. First off, if you don't believe Christianity, then you wouldn't believe you were damned to he11. So you are objecting to something to which you have already claimed you don't believe. That is irrational. I don't believe in Islam and they believe non-believers are damned to he11, but why in the world would I care since I don't believe it? Secondly, heaven would be he11 if God dragged people into heaven AGAINST THEIR WILL. Nor does God damn anyone to he11; everyone has the choice to go or not. The bottom line is that it is ridiculous to object to something about which you claim to NOT BELIEVE in the first place. The belief in h311 is shared among a number of religions, not just Christianity. It is the mechanisms of getting there that differ between religions. So when you d**m me to h311, I do take that as a personal insult. I really don't understand the bit about God dragging people to heaven.
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The belief in h311 is shared among a number of religions, not just Christianity. It is the mechanisms of getting there that differ between religions. So when you d**m me to h311, I do take that as a personal insult. huh? BUT, you have said you don't believe in Christianity, so it would be silly to then say you believe you are "damned to he11" when you just said you don't believe it in the first place. How can you feel "insulted" over something you claim to not believe? Are you saying you BELIEVE you are damned to he11 but don't believe in Jesus Christ in the first place? That is irrational, Tabby. I really don't understand the bit about God dragging people to heaven. People CHOOSE to go to heaven or he11. That is a matter of free will. If God dragged someone into heaven against their will then they would be in a place they did not want to be; then heaven would be he11.
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Is that what you meant, SL?? Yes, I meant it in terms of marriage. Sorry, I reread and saw that the word marriage was not pounded out on the keyboard by me. Of course, my marriage wasn't 'saved'. Take that for what it's worth. I believe God knows my heart, and is helping me along in my faith by showing me what he provides, if I get outta the way.
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Is that what you meant, SL?? Yes, I meant it in terms of marriage. Sorry, I reread and saw that the word marriage was not pounded out on the keyboard by me. thank you so much for clarifying, SL! Agree very much with your point. 
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Mel, you know I love you...but I am confused by your posts about helll. More than 1 religion believes in hell...so, even if a person doesn't believe in Christ they can still believe in helll.
I am glad to see that we have finally cleared up the big misunderstandings on this thread.
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Mel, you know I love you...but I am confused by your posts about helll. More than 1 religion believes in hell...so, even if a person doesn't believe in Christ they can still believe in helll. She is upset that Christianity teaches that unbelievers are damned to he11. Which makes no sense coming from someone who claims to not believe in Christianity in the first place. If a person doesn't believe in Christ, then they logically won't believe what Christianity SAYS about he11 in the first place, ie: that unbelievers are damned to he11. She is upset about THAT, which makes no sense.
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well, I don't believe that non-Muslims should be condemned to death...but I am quite upset that there are people out there that say those things.
I'm sorry, but it does make sense to me. Kindly, I think we will need to agree to disagree on this one.
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