I think that what was trying to be said, was that Christians believe that their way is the ONLY way, while other religions believe the same thing. To me, and I say this in the gentlest, nicest way possible, please no one yell at me , it seems wrong to tell another person that they are wrong or going to he11 because they don't believe in Jesus. Or that their marriage can't be saved if they don't. I'm not saying that anyone on this board has said this (or that they haven't because I don't know), I just know what I have seen and what has been said to me personally.
Ok...I comepletely agree that you don't talk about politics or religion with strangers. It's too confrontational.

I missed where people said you should deny your religion.

What I find is that it is a waste of time to shove our beliefs down the throats of others. I think if we are to be leaders, we should lead by example.

EXACTLY..and that is why this thread started.

Hi Mrs. Wondering, it's been way too long since we spoke together. It's nice to see you.

There was once a time in my life when I would have rejected anything that would have "challenged" my beliefs or comittment to Judaism. I will try and find the book at a cheap price and read it. I am one who wants to learn and be able to carry a conversation being commited to what I belief. I am the first to admit that I speak without much knowledge and just "because I am who I am" beliefs.

Thanks for the suggestion, I will look forward to discussing the book with you one day.

Hey Mimi,

And that's what G-d WANTS. To stand by your BELIEF whatever it is. And have the BELIEF of something. There are so many people who don't have any BELIEFS and are unhappy in life.

We are the lucky ones, we have a place and belief system to go to for support and guidance.

Nobody should be expected to deny your own religion, nor should anyone be expected to believe in anyone's system. When someone quotes Christian Scripture to a non-Christian, it is essentially telling them that their problems can only be solved through Christianity. When someone says only Christians can forgive, it is essentially saying that non-Christians are incapable of forgiveness. Nobody is asking anyone to deny their Christianity. But responses like this to someone who Muslim, Jewish, Bhuddist, Hindu, aethiest or whatever - offers them no help and can even be hurtful.

I believe that was MEDC's point. Am I close?

It seems wrong to believe in Christianity? huh? Not to Christians, Esprit. Christians do believe what Jesus said when he said John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


But its ok to tell Christians that THEY are wrong? What kind of weird double standard is that?

Secondly, isn't is ridiculous to believe that someone who doesn't believe in Jesus Christ in the first place would therefore believe they were going to he11? I think common sense dictates that if you don't believe in Jesus, you wouldn't believe in he11, would you?

Even so, what kind of God would drag someone into HEAVEN against their will? If he did that, then heaven would be HE11. People have the free will to REJECT Christ. Anyone can go to heaven if they choose.


Marriage Builders has never said or implied any such thing as far as I can see.

ABSOLUTELY.

We are all here because our lives have been destroyed by infidelity.

And each one of us is doing the best they can to survive and recover what they what to.

medc was just bringing up that how each one of us believes and does it, needs to be honored.

Because we are ALL G-ds children and our relationship with G-d is our own personal relationship. And each relationship is as special as the next.

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close, yes.

My point regarding marriage is that it does NOT require faith in Jesus to have forgiveness.

As far as the rest of it goes, I believe it is okay to talk about your beliefs in a respectful fashion and to lead by example. I do NOT think it is respectful even a little bit to tell s non-Christian that they can't have forgiveness or a good marriage because of their faith. Clearly, based upon a world full of examples, this is untrue.

No group in the history of man has more to forgive than the Jews. Yet, we find them wishing to live in peace with both their neighbors and the world. We could all learn a lot by the example being set by the Jewish people (and state).

No Melody, they haven't.

But for ME and just ME, I formed this opinion from listening to others speak on here and it was my insecurity, my unworthiness in my beliefs and my desire to recover my M at any cost that allowed that doubt to creep in.

medc helped me to gain that I am ok they way I believe as everyone else is.

Folks are completely free to quote scripture whereever and whenever they chose, there is nothing wrong with that. Christians are just as free to discuss their religion here as anyone else. I do agree with MEDC that forgiveness is not something that is exclusive to Christians though.

And I want to make CLEAR that I strongly believe that ALL religions are welcome here, I know the Harleys feel that way even though they are Christians and the principles of MB are based on Christianity. I would NEVER DREAM of telling a JEW or a Muslim here that they should just shut up or DENY the very tenets of their as some have told Christians to do here on this thread.

Because I assure you, Christians will not deny the truth of Jesus Christ in order to appease those who reject Christianity.

It was not in response to MB'ers ML. A poster said that exact thing. I took issue with him. That was the reason for this thread.

It's not about Christians (or any other religions) being right or wrong. It's that each believes that its own belief system is right. Telling someone that they are d****d to h311 because they don't believe what you believe is, well, cruel. Even though your religion states that that is what happens to nonbelievers - my religion might say something completely different. See what I mean?


H311 is not an exclusively Christian concept. There are many people who believe in h311 but not Jesus.

For God's sake people...Muslim's (radical) believe that those that convert FROM Muslim to another religion should be killed. That is the ultimate lack of tolerance.

God sees the heart and God will decide who fellowships with Him for eternity.

It would be selfish of me to think that Jews are the only ones, we aren't.

But you are right, we just want to be able to co-exist and let each one live their own lives and do G-ds work.

But the truth be told, Jews can be just as "naughty" and "close minded" as anyone else. I just happen to not fall into that category.

I must have missed this.

I believe that one should not make another feel lesser by putting forth there religion beliefs. Meaning if you believe Christian ways dont go around saying cause you arent a christian you wont be saved your marriage is going to suffer. Everyone has there own beliefs and everyone is yes entitled to share there beliefs.

Touchy subjects religion and politics lol.... No ones every gonna agree on it. Always will run in circles.

Shalom to you Q!
Any plans this Shabbat?

LOL - this is the best laugh I have had all day.

I too believe this, G-d will decide. And I am learning to stop playing G-d by thinking that what others do is right or wrong.

Quoting scripture is one thing. Using scripture to advise someone who doesn't share the same beliefs is pointless.

I was responding to SL's remark that it is "incredibly shortsighted to say that only people who accept Jesus Christ can truly be saved, marriage, personally or otherwise. There are a lot of other religions and belief systems out there."

The very basis of Christianity is Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

In other words, we are "shortsighted" to believe in Christianity but are to respect "other religions and belief systems out there."

THAT is what I am objecting to. I fully accept that others believe differently from me, and I am very TOLERANT of opposing religious views. But I also expect the SAME TOLERANCE from others here.