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Choices - what do you want from life? What is important to you?
Once you see that every move and choice you makes puts your unique stamp on this world, you realize that you have the power to shape your life.
ME BH 40 - FWW 39
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Rain -
What are your thoughts today?
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Rain -
What are your thoughts today?
Fox My H and I went with some friends this past weekend to a concert. We seemed to have a good time but it was difficult for me...seeing your quote makes me sick to my stomach because that song reminds me of him. I am having an extremely difficult time with the withdrawal and at the same time I am very angry at my self because I don't know how to act toward my H. I basically told him that I was in love with the OM. How could I have done that? I know that I love my H but I don't feel like he will ever admire me again after everything and even going through this now makes everything look even darker. I am ready to give up. I am tired. But I went to talk to an attorney about my situation and it doesn't look good. I will not lose my son so it means staying in the M. I will just have to try harder. But this is the most miserablest thing ever for both me and my H.
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Rain,
All I have to say at this moment is this. YOu have no idea how strong your H is. He may not either, but I can assure you he is stronger than you think. If you will just give the man a chance, he will come through for you.
This stuff takes time. Give your H a chance.
God Bless,
JL
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rain, I basically told him that I was in love with the OM. Exactly what my W told me. And she had only one reason to stay and she resented that reason. Our M has turned around because of the tools here. We are happy in our M and we will be M 25 years this year. Try to be patient, the feelings can return and the M can be better. I'm hoping you can see the light at the end of the tunnel (and no it's not a train coming). I don't know how to act toward my H Start off by respecting him. He sees something special in you. Even though you may not see it he does and respect the fact that he sees something there. And at this point I doubt that he's blinded by love. What he sees is legitimate. I don't feel like he will ever admire me again after everything and even going through this now makes everything look even darker What are his words and actions saying? Look at what they are communicating! When you believe what you think and not believe what your H's actions are telling you then you are not respecting him. In fact you are calling him a liar when you believe what you think (with no evidence to back it up) over your H's actions. Do you understand what I'm saying? I know that I love my H but No buts! If this is really true, then put forth a little bit of effort. Even if it is small. Believe it or not, you are doing better. Blessings. S&C
No man likes to have his intelligence or good faith questioned, especially if he has doubts about it himself. - Henry Brooks Adams
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I went to talk to an attorney about my situation and it doesn't look good. I will not lose my son so it means staying in the M. I will just have to try harder. But this is the most miserablest thing ever for both me and my H. At least he didn't blow smoke at you and just take your money (what little there might be) and tell you that he could try and get you 50/50 custody. There's no chance of that; so I'm glad he was straight up with you. I agree that the first step with your husband is respect. Also some mental toughness training is in order. If you think of your mind as a stage - and you're the director allowing thoughts and feelings, memories and dreams to dance across that stage and put on a show... Well you must purge one character from getting on that stage, because each time he gets on stage, he causes you to hurt and in turn hurt your husband. So get the cartoon stage hook right there, and give that character a good yank off center stage every time he sneaks on. Do not savor those memories right now. They're false memories. Next, become a woman of action. Fill your day with taking care of your job, then get home, take on a self-study course to improve your job performance one notch in 30 days. Work on discovering and meeting your husband's emotional needs. And love that little boy you have, who's growing up really fast. Spend time making a memory with your husband each week that you will at least consider with fondness as you recall it. Some secret act of service. Take just one step at a time. If it's easier to take on the job skill improvement project first, do it. Just one thing at a time. But if that's not enough to keep the old character from getting center stage in your mind again, and you find yourself having to use the stage hook frequently, you don't have enough to do to focus your mind.
Cafe Plan B link http://forum.marriagebuilders.com/ubbt/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2182650&page=1 The ? that made recovery possible: "Which lovebuster do I do the most that hurts the worst"? The statement that signaled my personal recovery and the turning point in our marriage recovery: "I don't need to be married that badly!" If you're interested in saving your relationship, you'll work on it when it's convenient. If you're committed, you'll accept no excuses.
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seeing your quote makes me sick to my stomach because that song reminds me of him That quote is truer in regards to OM than you'll ever know. OM is a FANTASY. Is true being would NEVER live up to the fantasy you've built up in your mind. You would not last and you would not be happy. You would both begin to resent each other and you would fail. am very angry at my self because I don't know how to act toward my H. I basically told him that I was in love with the OM. That's just cruel, rain. You love OM like an addict loves crack. It's the escape from real life that you love. Real life is always waiting for you when you come down off a high. Eventually you will need more and more and more from OM to make you happy and to keep the feeling of the high. When OM cannot keep you in the state of a high - you will start looking for ANOTHER escape. End the cycle now. Do the work you need to do so that you do not feel such a need to escape. You have the support - you may not have it next time. How do you act around your H? Start by respecting him - DO NOT say things to hurt him ON PURPOSE. You can't take back things that you say - they will rattle around in his head and harm him for a VERY long time. If you feel the need to lash out - disengage - tell him you are feeling angry/hurt/confused whatever and need a little time to gather yourself. Then return to the conversation and discuss rationally. He needs and deserves some honest answers - not cruel answers designed to hurt him enough that he stops asking. I know that I love my H but I don't feel like he will ever admire me again after everything and even going through this now makes everything look even darker. This isn't your choice. It will be your H's choice to admire you or not. It is YOUR choice to act admirably. Right now - today - did you do anything admirable? Did you do anything towards another that was caring? Or was today about you and the hurt and sorrow YOU feel? You can deserve it, rain, the choice is yours to be a person that is admirable. I am ready to give up. I am tired. But I went to talk to an attorney about my situation and it doesn't look good. Oh, rain. I just don't know what to say about this. You think you are escaping. You are not. The pain will still continue and more regret will follow you. It SHOULDN'T look good for you. You are the CAUSE and should not be rewarded for creating this chaos. I will not lose my son so it means staying in the M. I will just have to try harder. But this is the most miserablest thing ever for both me and my H. DO NOT use your son as an excuse to be miserable. You can stay in the M and NOT be miserable. The choice is yours. YES, you will have to try harder. Decide on an ACTION each day that you will do to deserve the devotion and love from your family. You cannot sit and wait to feel better. MAKE it happen. It is miserable now and will remain miserable if you don't do something different than what you have always done. It WILL get better if you make an HONEST effort. Not a weiny "I guess I'll TRY", but an honest "yes, I am CHOOSING to stay and will do everything in my power to make this work" - and then DOING it. The choice is yours. Fox
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This is what Dr. Harley has to say about withdrawal. It was posted somewhere else by Resonance and I thought it might help you. How to Get Through Withdrawal
In R.J.'s case, his feelings for his wife are as bad as they have ever been. In the case of M.S.'s husband, he is suffering so much that he can no longer make love to his wife, something that had always come very easily to him in the past. What is happening to these men?
They are experiencing symptoms of withdrawal from the addiction they have to their lovers.
As soon as a victimized spouse decides to stay married and struggle through reconciliation, he or she usually sets out to meet whatever needs the lover had been meeting. If it was sex, the spouse offers more and better sex. If it was affection, it's more affection. Both M.S. and R.J.'s wife were willing to do whatever it took to regain their wayward spouses' love.
But it didn't work for either of them. That's because both of their husbands were in withdrawal. They were both addicted to their lovers and separation from them caused them to suffer from depression. That, in turn, made it almost impossible for their spouses to meet their emotional needs. So all of that love and care that was being extended to them was being wasted. Until they would recover from withdrawal, the efforts of their wives to please them will be very disappointing.
Withdrawal is the emotional reaction to the loss of something that gives great pleasure. It's similar to the feelings an alcoholic has when he makes a commitment never to drink again. It's also similar to the grief that comes from the loss of a loved one. A lover is like alcohol and like a loved one. Not only do unfaithful spouses miss what it was their lovers did, meeting important emotional needs, but they also miss the person they had come to love.
Our most common emotions are anger, anxiety and depression. Symptoms of withdrawal usually include all of these in a very intense form. I usually suggest that anti-depressant medication be used to help alleviate these symptoms. While the most intense symptoms of withdrawal usually last only about three weeks, in some cases they can linger for six months or longer before they start to fade.
It is extremely likely that a commitment to remain separated from a lover will be broken unless extreme measures are taken to avoid it. That's because the emotional reaction of withdrawal is so painful. Honesty is an extremely important element in reconciliation, and it should be understood that if the unfaithful spouse ever sees or communicates with the lover, he or she should immediately tell the spouse that it happened. They should then agree on a plan that would prevent a recurrence of contact in the future. But as soon as any contact is made, it throws the unfaithful spouse back to the beginning of withdrawal, and the time it takes to overcome the feelings of grief begins all over again.
There's a sense in which M.S.'s husband was in withdrawal even before M.S. discovered the affair. As soon as the move was made, he became depressed, and what M.S. noticed the most was his lack of interest in sex. Depression will do that to you (and so will anti-depressant medication -- one of it's only side effects is a loss of sex drive).
If M.S.'s husband were to avoid talking to his lover for three weeks, it's likely that his sex drive would start to return, since the worst symptoms of withdrawal would probably have ended. He has a long history of sexual interest in his wife, and I guarantee that he will eventually do just fine in bed.
The problem that R.J. may soon face is that his wife's cheerful attitude will wear thin. There's no telling how much longer she can try to please him without an approving response from him. Sometimes I tell spouses to just avoid each other until the withdrawal stage passes because all the effort to be kind and thoughtful is easily wasted until they start feeling better.
It's the stage of recovery after withdrawal that gives spouses the best opportunity to learn to meet each other's most important emotional needs and overcome Love Busters. Spouses should save their most tolerant mood for that stage, where they could both be receptive to each other's care.
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rain,
Checking in on ya. How are you doing? Are you still with us?
S&C
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Yes, I am still here. This is extrmely difficult. I can't get him out of my head and I am trying so hard. It is very frustrating. I am angry, sad, and depressed all at the same time. I am trying. Taking one day at a time.
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Stick with it, rain. It WILL be worth it.
Have you been trying to follow the Harley principles?
Are you and your BH spending 15 hours a week together? If so, what is this time like? Is it filled with affair and addiction talk or do you get some time to just BE together and stay away from the pressure of relationship talk?
Have you determined each others emotional needs and how each you have would like them met best?
Make a plan with your BH and follow it.
Don't just flounder around in pity.
Give it an HONEST chance
It IS difficult, no doubt about it. But the guilt and shame of continuing with the destruction of two families would follow you for the rest of your life. What you are going through now are just a few moments in time.
I see alot of potential in you, rain. Don't fail yourself now, when you have come so far.
This is a marathon not a sprint. One foot in front of the other.
Don't forget to BREATHE on occasion.
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Yes, I am still here. This is extrmely difficult. I can't get him out of my head and I am trying so hard. It is very frustrating. I am angry, sad, and depressed all at the same time. I am trying. Taking one day at a time. How are you trying? IF you were sincere about wanting him out of your head, you'd write the NC letter. OM,
We were wrong. I will never leave or D my H. I am committed to my M. And don't ever want you to contact me again.
Rain and Dude THEN.... You can start to REALLY let go of him. And get through w/drawals. Until then, you're just a suffering catfish. Nothing more pathetic. IMO
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Deleting the My Space page( Or as your husband calls it the shrine to the OM) might be a start!!
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Rain,
If you still have a MySpace page, pictures, clothing, gifts, ANYTHING that still "connects" you with OM, you have not even begun withdrawal yet.
You are killing yourself with this.
This is not giving the M an honest chance.
You are taking "peeks" and your Withdrawal clock resets every time. If you don't STOP THIS behavior you will stay in this agony of indecision and torture.
If you believe that leaving your son and husband for the OM will end that agaony and torture, you are wrong.
THAT clock will be reset - you will deal with the guilt and torture of losing your son, husband, and family unit.
[censored] or get off the pot, rain.
Doing this half-arsed will keep you and your family in pain. NOTHING COUNTS until no contact with OM is in place. No contact means NO CONTACT with anything about him; pictures, gifts, cell phone messages you have saved, etc. ANYTHING. Purge them and start fresh.
You will never reach Step One in recovery without taking action.
You are torturing your husband with this. (and your son by default). If you don't take some action, he may draw the end line himself.
Fox
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rain, It can't be said any better than what Fox has said here. If you still have a MySpace page, pictures, clothing, gifts, ANYTHING that still "connects" you with OM, you have not even begun withdrawal yet.
You are killing yourself with this.
This is not giving the M an honest chance.
You are taking "peeks" and your Withdrawal clock resets every time. If you don't STOP THIS behavior you will stay in this agony of indecision and torture.
If you believe that leaving your son and husband for the OM will end that agaony and torture, you are wrong.
THAT clock will be reset - you will deal with the guilt and torture of losing your son, husband, and family unit.
[censored] or get off the pot, rain.
Doing this half-arsed will keep you and your family in pain. NOTHING COUNTS until no contact with OM is in place. No contact means NO CONTACT with anything about him; pictures, gifts, cell phone messages you have saved, etc. ANYTHING. Purge them and start fresh.
You will never reach Step One in recovery without taking action.
You are torturing your husband with this. (and your son by default). If you don't take some action, he may draw the end line himself. This is where the rubber meets the road. If you do not take action here, what you feel now is nothing. Please rain, no secrets, no deception; get rid of all the stuff that will bring you back to square one. You can do it, I know you can. S&C
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How you doing rain? Are you still around?
S&C
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I am still here. Feeling kicked, beat down, ran over, and then thrown in the trash. Understandable. Not looking for sympathy - just letting you know why I haven't been posting. Tired of seeing H hurting so I am trying to do the right thing. And just for the record, there has been no contact with OM - not even thru MySpace. And the books were just recommended reading to try to cheer me up and give me a little insight on understanding men and their needs.
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Good. B/c you're not going to get any from me. Feeling kicked, beat down, ran over, and then thrown in the trash. Understandable. Yeah, that's what happens when you want a piece of trash to love you and that trash rejects you. Tired of seeing H hurting [sarcasm]Oh you poor thing! That must be soooo exhausting for YOU![sarcasm/] so I am trying to do the right thing Cool. So you've written the NC letter, deleted all those pics of OM from your myspace page, given him all your passwords, right? And just for the record, there has been no contact with OM BS. IF (and I don't believe it is) this were true, it isn't for lack of YOUR trying, is it? Also, everytime you read something OM wrote you or look at pics of him you are getting your fix from him...making contact. And the books were just recommended reading to try to cheer me up BS! There's not a damned thing "cheerful" about them. give me a little insight on understanding men and their needs. GMAB! One of those books were about how to get guys. And the other one was about how to know WHEN YOUR DATING when you ought to move onto the next guy.
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Have you deleted every picture, message, etc. from OM from every aspect of your life?
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Hi rain,
A's remain alive because they are kept secret. For any BS, all secrets point to the A continuing. Whether they are or not. Sometimes that is hard for a WS to understand. The thought is "If someone isn't doing something wrong then they have nothing to hide." If you are not in contact with OM through MySpace, then why not open it up for Dude to see. If he can see that there is no contact he will heal from this faster.
Any secret you keep will hurt your H. Now please try not to be offended here but, you did keep the A a secret for a while right? So until you are completely open and honest with Dude; he is not going to feel like you are trying. and he probably feels like that A is continuing. You may very well feel like you are working your tail off trying hard to do what is right. But some efforts and action carry more weight than others. Right now things that he can observe that proves that you are not in contact will help him tremendously.
No doing it will send the message that you do not care about his feelings whether you think so or not, that is the message you will send your child too.
Do you understand where I'm coming from here? The secrecy hurts almost as much as the A. He needs prove that there is no contact and you have the ability to provide that to him.
A better book for you might be "For Women Only - What You Need to Know About The Inner Lives of Men"" by Shaunti Feldhahn.
If you still have pictures and gifts around and available from OM, then you are still in contact with him. Contact doesn't just mean physical or communication.
Good luck.
S&C
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